OOTP Patch #4, Version 10.4.29 released! - Page 8

crockies99 · 10-20-2009, 01:50 PM

Hi. I'm in a league and have a mac. I was told to just delete all my ootp files and re-download it and then it will work. The league, I think wants to start simming today, but that doesn't make any sense that mac users would just have to re-install everything to get it to work. I just don't want to do something stupid when the patch is still being worked on. Any advice?

mikev · 10-20-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Still waiting for Afino to tell me if that worked...zzzzzzzzz.....

Afino had a death in the family, he may not be on very much the next few days.

endgame · 10-20-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Afino had a death in the family, he may not be on very much the next few days.

Ah, man. Sorry to hear that. Best to him then, should you exchange any conversation. Thanks for update.

endgame · 10-20-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by crockies99

Hi. I'm in a league and have a mac. I was told to just delete all my ootp files and re-download it and then it will work. The league, I think wants to start simming today, but that doesn't make any sense that mac users would just have to re-install everything to get it to work. I just don't want to do something stupid when the patch is still being worked on. Any advice?

Well, there's a lot of factors in play here. Not being an online player myself, take any of my comment for the simple

that they are. With the final final (hopefully) patch in sight- it's not like we'll be waiting months and it is a league, where even a small hiatus doesn't kill them, does it, or does it? -why not just wait until the last of the kinks are worked out, these new concerns addressed, and then all be on the same page relatively quickly out of the box at that point?

Malleus Dei · 10-20-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Well, there's a lot of factors in play here. Not being an online player myself, take any of my comment for the simple

that they are. With the final final (hopefully) patch in sight- it's not like we'll be waiting months and it is a league, where even a small hiatus doesn't kill them, does it, or does it? -why not just wait until the last of the kinks are worked out, these new concerns addressed, and then all be on the same page relatively quickly out of the box at that point?

That was waaaaaay too much common sense, Endgame. They will not like it.

RoyEarl · 10-20-2009, 02:57 PM

So far the biggest issue in my league is that some players upgraded to fit the schedule of other leagues they are in and some needed to wait until the other leagues they are in officially updated - so instantly there was a mix of players in each league that had an hadn't upgraded...then there are the mac users that did or didn't upgrade...so some of my league is now on hiatus regardless of what I do or don't do officially with my league.

All this from being away this weekend and missing out on the release date of the patch...

Of course, not that I am complaining - but I urge all leagues not to wait too long to update otherwise is messes up many players in multiple leagues...</rant>

snnort · 10-20-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyEarl

So far the biggest issue in my league is that some players upgraded to fit the schedule of other leagues they are in and some needed to wait until the other leagues they are in officially updated - so instantly there was a mix of players in each league that had an hadn't upgraded...then there are the mac users that did or didn't upgrade...so some of my league is now on hiatus regardless of what I do or don't do officially with my league.

All this from being away this weekend and missing out on the release date of the patch...

Of course, not that I am complaining - but I urge all leagues not to wait too long to update otherwise is messes up many players in multiple leagues...</rant>

Roy... this has happened in previous versions as well. I remember even going as far back as the ver 6.5 days that if the league commish/simmer upgraded, you could not view the updated league file until you upgraded as well... AND if you upgraded too quickly because of one league... you could not export to other league(s) that had not yet upgraded.

EVEN back then, though... you could run EXE versions from both patches and be able to run the right one for the given league... alowing you to export for all the leagues you were in.

With version 10.2.18 and 10.4.29 that is the case as well (as discribed earlier in this thread). You can run both versions pretty easily without it taking up any more HDD space than the 10+ megs that the additional EXE file will use.

PotatoPeeler · 10-20-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by crockies99

Hi. I'm in a league and have a mac. I was told to just delete all my ootp files and re-download it and then it will work. The league, I think wants to start simming today, but that doesn't make any sense that mac users would just have to re-install everything to get it to work. I just don't want to do something stupid when the patch is still being worked on. Any advice?

If the commish is on Patch #4, then you need to be on it as well or it won't work. Since you're on a Mac and obviously not running Patch #4, don't waste your time with all the deleting and redownloading. Just gonna have to wait until the patch for Mac is finally released.

Bluenoser · 10-20-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by crockies99

Hi. I'm in a league and have a mac. I was told to just delete all my ootp files and re-download it and then it will work. The league, I think wants to start simming today, but that doesn't make any sense that mac users would just have to re-install everything to get it to work. I just don't want to do something stupid when the patch is still being worked on. Any advice?

From the sound of it, I'd venture a guess that your league has rolled back to the previous version and therefore require all owners to redownload. Just speculation on my part though.

stevew · 10-20-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyEarl

Of course, not that I am complaining - but I urge all leagues not to wait too long to update otherwise is messes up many players in multiple leagues...</rant>

Yeah-this.

Afino · 10-20-2009, 06:18 PM

Yeah, sorry about that. As mikey said, I'm not exactly going to be liberal with my online time in the near term.

Anyways, I created a dummy folder in My Documents (OOTPtemp) that I copied and pasted the .exe into. I try to install the patch to that folder and it still won't let me.

Number42 · 10-20-2009, 07:15 PM

Any chance we Macites can share in the bounty?

battists · 10-20-2009, 09:29 PM

We're trying guys.

It's been one thing after another these days, and we want to do our best to make sure that we don't make your life WORSE instead of better...

We'll let you know as soon as we can get you more information!

Apologies for the delay!!

Steve

PotatoPeeler · 10-21-2009, 12:36 AM

It probably would have been better if you had waited until you could release all three at the same time and communicated the problems that were taking place. Instead you've left a number of leagues in limbo or with league members who aren't able to export because of version mismatches. Just my

, though.

suzerain · 10-21-2009, 04:19 AM

Is the Mac patch delay all because of the same horrible PISD system that "forgets" your serial number all the time? If so, I really hope you guys dump that in the future.

Afino · 10-21-2009, 11:43 AM

Is installing the 10.2.16 patch and the 10.4.29 patch over each other many times advisable?

I can't get Alan's workaround to work, and my only solution may be to install the correct patch every time I want to switch games. I haven't done this yet as I'm worried about file corruption, but I'm curious.

Alan T · 10-21-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Afino

Is installing the 10.2.16 patch and the 10.4.29 patch over each other many times advisable?

I can't get Alan's workaround to work, and my only solution may be to install the correct patch every time I want to switch games. I haven't done this yet as I'm worried about file corruption, but I'm curious.

Afino, since you are having problems with the patch working correctly, try this as a work around:

1) Have yourself on ootp version 10.2.16

2) In your OOTP program directory (wherever ootp.exe gets installed to), go in and rename ootp.exe to ootp-2-16.exe

3) Patch yourself up to ootp version 10.4.29

This will then allow you to run ootp version 10.2.16 from the ootp-2-16.exe and version 10.4.29 from the ootp.exe file

The work around I provided earlier was for people who had already upgraded. Since that is not working for you, try it this way instead

Malleus Dei · 10-21-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

It probably would have been better if you had waited until you could release all three at the same time

No, it wouldn't have been. The solo player majority should not be made to suffer just to please the online league player minority. Nor should the Windows patch need to wait on the Mac path or the Linux patch, or vice versa. That's just selfish madness.

mad0die · 10-21-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

No, it wouldn't have been. The solo player majority should not be made to suffer just to please the online league player minority. Nor should the Windows patch need to wait on the Mac path or the Linux patch, or vice versa. That's just selfish madness.

Suffering and selfishness while describing a fake baseball patch seems pretty ludicrous to begin with. Releasing patches for different platforms at different times is a technical support mess for the few people that give us OOTP and a mess for every customer playing in an online league. Regardless of the #'s of users involved, I would say these headaches out-weigh whatever small benefit was achieved by placating the people crying for a patch on the forums.

railroad_ross · 10-21-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mad0die

Suffering and selfishness while describing a fake baseball patch seems pretty ludicrous to begin with. Releasing patches for different platforms at different times is a technical support mess for the few people that give us OOTP and a mess for every customer playing in an online league. Regardless of the #'s of users involved, I would say these headaches out-weigh whatever small benefit was achieved by placating the people crying for a patch on the forums.

At the risk of falling in the minority I'd agree. There appears to be a very small consideration payed to customers who play in online leagues. Not just for issues like the marketing of patches but also in fixing bugs for those OOTP owners playing in online leagues. Minority or not, it would be wise to pay attention this customer base or risk losing future sales.

10-20-2009, 01:50 PM	#141
crockies99 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 117	Is this wrong information? Hi. I'm in a league and have a mac. I was told to just delete all my ootp files and re-download it and then it will work. The league, I think wants to start simming today, but that doesn't make any sense that mac users would just have to re-install everything to get it to work. I just don't want to do something stupid when the patch is still being worked on. Any advice?

10-20-2009, 06:18 PM	#151
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,828	Yeah, sorry about that. As mikey said, I'm not exactly going to be liberal with my online time in the near term. Anyways, I created a dummy folder in My Documents (OOTPtemp) that I copied and pasted the .exe into. I try to install the patch to that folder and it still won't let me. __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers

10-20-2009, 07:15 PM	#152
Number42 Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 12	Mac? Any chance we Macites can share in the bounty?

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battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	We're trying guys. It's been one thing after another these days, and we want to do our best to make sure that we don't make your life WORSE instead of better... We'll let you know as soon as we can get you more information! Apologies for the delay!! Steve __________________ Come check out my dynasty report, Funky Times!

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PotatoPeeler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 3,639	It probably would have been better if you had waited until you could release all three at the same time and communicated the problems that were taking place. Instead you've left a number of leagues in limbo or with league members who aren't able to export because of version mismatches. Just my , though. __________________ 培傑西 I have never taken a lesson on how to talk on TV in my life. - Tim McCarver Guns have only two enemies; rust and liberals. The world is a comedy to those that think; a tragedy to those that feel. Last edited by PotatoPeeler; 10-21-2009 at 12:47 AM.

10-20-2009, 02:57 PM	#146
RoyEarl Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 128	So far the biggest issue in my league is that some players upgraded to fit the schedule of other leagues they are in and some needed to wait until the other leagues they are in officially updated - so instantly there was a mix of players in each league that had an hadn't upgraded...then there are the mac users that did or didn't upgrade...so some of my league is now on hiatus regardless of what I do or don't do officially with my league. All this from being away this weekend and missing out on the release date of the patch... Of course, not that I am complaining - but I urge all leagues not to wait too long to update otherwise is messes up many players in multiple leagues...</rant>

10-21-2009, 04:19 AM	#155
suzerain Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 94	Is the Mac patch delay all because of the same horrible PISD system that "forgets" your serial number all the time? If so, I really hope you guys dump that in the future.

10-21-2009, 11:43 AM	#156
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,828	Is installing the 10.2.16 patch and the 10.4.29 patch over each other many times advisable? I can't get Alan's workaround to work, and my only solution may be to install the correct patch every time I want to switch games. I haven't done this yet as I'm worried about file corruption, but I'm curious. __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers