Bug that needs to be fixed immediately!

[Left-handed Badger]

"the code" is simply bullcrap, basically. You do what you think will help your team. Just because the other pitcher has a perfect game is not a good enough excuse to "quit".

[Carplos]

Originally Posted by Jah

That far behind that late in the game, it's still bad form IMHO...I prefer the batter get his hit the old-fashioned way. I'd rather be no-hit with a line drive out in my last at-bat, rather than breaking it up with a bunt when the game's out of reach.

Of course, if you do break up a no-no by bunting safely in a situation like this, be ready to catch some grief from the opposing team next time around...and maybe your own teammates as well.

If I had teammates who were more concerned with helping the other pitcher get a no-hitter than trying to come back in a game, I'd ask for a trade.

But hey, if you're okay with being a loser, then more power to ya, we all have our roles to play in life!!!

[Tony M]

OK. Since this hasn't been answered perhaps the etiquette supporters can say where the cut-off point is for this.

Until the first batter gets on base the pitcher is on a potential perfect game, but you wouldn't call a batter bunting in the 1st inning a 'spoilsport' for breaking up a no-no attempt.

What if you are down 1-0 after 8.2 - should the batter let the pitcher get the no-no or attempt to get on base? If not, what about 2-0? or 3-0? or 3-1? or 4-0? - what score is it impossible for a team to come back from? I remember the Sox beating the O's after being 5-0 down coming into the 9th.

What if you're down 3-0 after 7 with the pitcher on a no-no? Is that an acceptable point to just let the pitcher get the no-no?

[Malleus Dei]

Originally Posted by Raffke

I agree with you Tony M, as a hitter you are paid to get on base whatever the situation - if the fielders aren't good enough to stop you then that is there problem.

I'm a long-time amateur player and I agree 100%. You're up there to get on base - and if that means bunting or doing your best to get hit by the pitch, that's what you do. Not trying as hard as you can to do what you are supposed to do - getting on base, in this case - is an insult to both the game and your teammates.

[CBL-Commish]

Now that they track stuff like WPA and have win probabilities for every game situation, they could just require everybody to intentionally strike out when one side has, like, a 90% or higher chance of winning. Wouldn't want to run afoul of the unwritten rules and inadvertently offend someone.

[Jah]

Originally Posted by Carplos

If I had teammates who were more concerned with helping the other pitcher get a no-hitter than trying to come back in a game, I'd ask for a trade.

But hey, if you're okay with being a loser, then more power to ya, we all have our roles to play in life!!!

Okay, you got me on that one.

It has nothing to do with being a loser...all I was inferring is the "bunter" has potentially left his teammates open to a little retaliation the next time the teams face each other. Remember, rightly or wrongly, it's the big leaguers who are the most into all this "code" stuff.

[Jah]

Originally Posted by Tony M

OK. Since this hasn't been answered perhaps the etiquette supporters can say where the cut-off point is for this.

Until the first batter gets on base the pitcher is on a potential perfect game, but you wouldn't call a batter bunting in the 1st inning a 'spoilsport' for breaking up a no-no attempt.

What if you are down 1-0 after 8.2 - should the batter let the pitcher get the no-no or attempt to get on base? If not, what about 2-0? or 3-0? or 3-1? or 4-0? - what score is it impossible for a team to come back from? I remember the Sox beating the O's after being 5-0 down coming into the 9th.

What if you're down 3-0 after 7 with the pitcher on a no-no? Is that an acceptable point to just let the pitcher get the no-no?

Don't get all worked up over it...just a difference of opinion, my friend.

I'd be curious to know how many times down through history someone tried to bunt for a hit during a late-inning no-hit bid...especially when game wasn't within 2-3 runs (which is really the key point to what I've been saying here).

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Jah

I'd be curious to know how many times down through history someone tried to bunt for a hit during a late-inning no-hit bid.

Take a look at post #9 of this thread,

[Jah]

Originally Posted by bababui

Take a look at post #9 of this thread,

Yes, that mentioned Schilling's game...and another no-hit bid where Bruce Kison questioned the official scorer on a double.

[Jah]

Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

I'm a long-time amateur player and I agree 100%. You're up there to get on base - and if that means bunting or doing your best to get hit by the pitch, that's what you do. Not trying as hard as you can to do what you are supposed to do - getting on base, in this case - is an insult to both the game and your teammates.

I understand where you're coming from, Mal - but if the game was seemingly out of reach in a late-inning no-hit bid, I'd respect you a helluva lot more if you whacked a double off the wall.

[Bumstead]

So, if Ken Griffey Jr. comes up and your pitcher has a No-No in the 8th and you move your infield all around so that you have 3 infielders on the right side of the field and this is the 3rd time he has had to face that: is it bad form for him to lay down the bunt to the left side and walk to first for his single? I would prefer not to endure the embarrassment of my team being no-hit rather than having to worry about Curt Schilling's feelings or his support of some 'code.' I say if the defense won't play you straight up, "Bunt it Griff!" Or if that is your best opportunity to get on base, go for it. Why give up all your options? The game ain't over! Plus, my team will protect me with their own retaliation anyway. Schilling has to bat in the NL!

Bum

[BMW]

Originally Posted by Jah

I understand where you're coming from, Mal - but if the game was seemingly out of reach in a late-inning no-hit bid, I'd respect you a helluva lot more if you whacked a double off the wall.

What if it's game seven of the World Series? Do you not try to get on base any way possible? Or do you worry about the opposing team's no hitter?

And thus, if any sporting event is based on the integrity of the two teams doing their best to win the game, why does it really matter if it's the World Series or a regular season game? It's not pro wrestling. There's a pretty good reason why everyone should want each team to play to win at all times, because otherwise it's no longer a sporting event. It's not like clubs have never scored 10 runs in an inning. It's unlikely, but it's not impossible.

[Malleus Dei]

Originally Posted by Jah

I understand where you're coming from, Mal - but if the game was seemingly out of reach in a late-inning no-hit bid, I'd respect you a helluva lot more if you whacked a double off the wall.

No offense, but my job as a batter is to get on base any which way I can, not win your respect.

[Carplos]

especially when game wasn't within 2-3 runs (which is really the key point to what I've been saying here).

While coming back from 6-0 in the 8th/9th is unlikely, it's more likely if you get on base via a bunt hit than lining out for the 25th time.

With regard to your respect example given to Mal... if hitting a double off the wall was so easy, there wouldn't be a no hitter going on in the first place.

[Hazza]

Does the AI steal bases when it has a 10 run lead?

[Killing Time]

Originally Posted by Hazza

Does the AI steal bases when it has a 10 run lead?

I do. And I'd spike the second baseman if it was an option.

[Jah]

Originally Posted by BMW

What if it's game seven of the World Series? Do you not try to get on base any way possible? Or do you worry about the opposing team's no hitter?

And thus, if any sporting event is based on the integrity of the two teams doing their best to win the game, why does it really matter if it's the World Series or a regular season game? It's not pro wrestling. There's a pretty good reason why everyone should want each team to play to win at all times, because otherwise it's no longer a sporting event. It's not like clubs have never scored 10 runs in an inning. It's unlikely, but it's not impossible.

Yeah, it would be different in Game 7 of the World Series...no kidding. I didn't make any sort of global statement anywhere...was just talking about the OP's game situation.

And where am I saying anywhere that the batter is supposed to get up there and not try...or strike out on purpose...or not give his all??? All I'm saying is that I'd rather see the guy swing away and get his hit that way, as opposed to bunting when way behind in a late-inning no-hit game. I bet it hasn't happened often over the years...and if you guys would rather get up there and bunt when down 6-0...get your hit...and have the next few guys go out and you lose the game anyway...then great for you...you got your bunt single and you're a winner!! And you and your teammates can have a big party!!!

[Jah]

Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

No offense, but my job as a batter is to get on base any which way I can, not win your respect.

If you were up at the plate, would you bunt when down 6-0 in the 8th inning of a no-hit bid? Wouldn't you rather hit the crap out of the ball to break up the no-hitter?? Seriously.

Like I said in the previous post...enjoy your bunt single, but I sure hope it leads to a 7-run rally to win the game.

[jazzrack]

what if you are mariano duncan in his early years and can bunt for a double. it's one thing if a great hitter goes up and breaks it up with a bunt, but if a guy is a great bunter and the defense gives him the bunt he damn well better take it, thats his job.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Hazza

Does the AI steal bases when it has a 10 run lead?

Yes it does.