How much HD space?

thevat · 04-30-2003, 11:45 PM

If I was to start a historical league in the early 1900's, and run it thru current times, how much HD space would that take up if I wanted to keep up the almanac? I have a notebook, so my drive is split into two, so space is at some what of a premium.

sporr · 04-30-2003, 11:48 PM

Well the almanac for one of our seasons is just over 10MB. So I would say probably over 1GB for 100 years.

Kane182 · 05-01-2003, 12:34 AM

It will probably be closer to 2 gigs. I started in 1900 and am now in 1920 and about 600 MB has been taken up. I save the almanacs and the player reports. I do not save the boxscores though.

Qrusher14242 · 05-01-2003, 12:58 AM

in a league i ran from 1900-2000, the almanacs take up 1gig.

Unfriendlybob · 05-01-2003, 01:59 AM

If you can live without, make sure you don't have team logos. These are saved every year to the almanac and being .bmps they can add up. You'll also save a lot more by not saving player reports or boxscores.

TheRockCT · 05-01-2003, 02:23 AM

If you want to keep them all, they'll get to be quite a large clump of data. Personally, if you have or know someone who does have a CD-Burner, just burn off 750 MB's worth of almanac data everytime you come to that point. The amount of years that 750 MB's will cover will depend on your league size, amount of players, logos, and what reports/boxscores you choose to save, but at least you can save them while getting them off your drive.

Gastric ReFlux · 05-01-2003, 12:10 PM

As people have said, it depends on how much info you're saving in your almanac each season. The 16 teams, 154 game seasons aren't too bad in HD consumption. If you don't have a CD burning drive, consider getting one. CDs are a good way to preserve the digital past.

koohead · 05-01-2003, 01:20 PM

so...how would I access the Almanac years that are archived onto the CD? What files am I saving? Is it just a restore to HD from CD when I want to look at them?

Sorry if these are stupid questions...I'm not looking at OOTP5 files as I'm writing this.

Gastric ReFlux · 05-01-2003, 01:42 PM

The easiest way is just use your browser. Go to File-->Open and then browse to the CD. On the CD you should be able to find the folders listed by year. Go into whatever year you want, and click that you want to open the index.html file.

hamonrye · 05-01-2003, 02:12 PM

i've always wondered...if i burn past years of the almanac and then delete them to save some hard drive space, will it affect the career leaders board? or will the career leaders stay the same because the retired players are still there?

thanks...

Gastric ReFlux · 05-01-2003, 02:16 PM

The career leader board is based upon data stored in the game files. You could wipe out every previous almanac folder, and it wouldn't matter for the creation of the next almanac.

hamonrye · 05-01-2003, 04:05 PM

thanks gastric reflux...

koohead · 05-01-2003, 04:14 PM

makes sense...like I said, I've never looked at the almanac files. Thanks.

Bravo 1/5 USHA · 05-01-2003, 07:17 PM

Question: The stuff it saves, like boxscores and such...can you toggle the save or do not save feature each season? Or in the middle of a season? Without messing things up? Also, if after say 20 years of playing (or however long) you realize OK, I don't need to keep these...or these...or these...how do you then delete those specific things that have been saved? Thanks in advance!

dougk62 · 05-02-2003, 05:46 AM

I'm not sure this is the answer you are looking for, but try this and see if you answer your own questions.

Open OOPT and sim a whole season of a league just to get an almanac file created. Set all the selections to yes. I think the almanac actually creates when you advance to next season. Once you have advanced to next season, completely exit your OOPT game.

With the game completely closed, find the folder on your harddrive that contains your OOPT files. Open that folder and then open the folder for the league you just created an almanac for. There is a folder inside each league folder called "Almanac". Open that folder also and just see what is there. Anything at all inside there can be opened. Just double left click with your mouse over anything you want to look at and look at the page that comes up. When the page comes up, try clicking on a link. They all work.

After you have looked around for maybe 5 minutes, I think you'll see how the almanac stuff works. You can delete the entire almanac folder if you wish or any individual file in the folder. Just right click over the folder or file you want to delete and scroll down the menu and select delete.

Once you mess around with it for a while, you'll see how easy it is to save the box scores of just the dozen or so games that you'd like to have. You can decide if you like looking at players cards or not. You can delete all the cards except for those of you team. It's all up to you.

It really is very simple and can take up as much or as little space as you want it to. The thing I try and remember is that if I want to see the box score of that no hitter, I better save the boxscores in the almanac.

I just looked at some of my complete almanacs which I have made no changes to yet and they are between 40 and 45 megabytes. They can eat chunks out of your hard drive pretty quick. Get that CD-RW drive and save those files to a CD and you'll find that you'll get about 16 or 17 complete almanacs on one CD. You can access any info you want from any season now. You never really have to import the folder back into the game.

Bravo 1/5 USHA · 05-02-2003, 02:07 PM

Great stuff Dogu, thanks for the info! I am definitely going to try it. Do you know though, once you start deleting things, does that affect in any way the stats saved in the almanac? Thanks again!

BRAVO 1/5

edit: oops...I mean doUG. SOrry abou that

dougk62 · 05-02-2003, 03:15 PM

The "stats" aren't what is saved really. Just all the individual pages. The almanac doesn't save stats and create a box score when you look at that box score. The only thing that will happen if you start deleting things is that some of the links from one page to another will stop working if you have deleted the page that the link points to. If you never care to see a box score again from game #245, delete it. If you never care to see team 14's financial page, delete it. It's all up to you and all operates outside the game.

The "online league" options work the same way. All the files generated for an online league do not have to be placed on the world wide web. You really only have to place them there if you want others to see them. Save the online league files to your hard drive or a CD rom and you can view all the reports an online league gets.

Bravo 1/5 USHA · 05-02-2003, 08:02 PM

Sweet! Thanks man!

thevat · 05-03-2003, 11:11 PM

I think I will probably buy an external CD writer, they look relatively cheap now and that sounds like it would solve the problem of space on the HD.
If I understand correctly then, you just backup each almanac year after it updates, then delete it from the hard drive, because it doesn't need to be there to update from year to year. Is that right?

Gastric ReFlux · 05-04-2003, 11:49 AM

You don't have to do it every year. When I do something like that, I do until I have enough almanacs to fill about 600 megabytes, which will use up most of the space on a CD. Once you have that safely done (consider doing two CDs as a precaution), then you can take the years you backed up and put them in the Recycle Bin.

Then whenever you feel like looking back at years' past, just pop the CD into the drive and browse to your content.

04-30-2003, 11:45 PM	#1
thevat Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 177	How much HD space? If I was to start a historical league in the early 1900's, and run it thru current times, how much HD space would that take up if I wanted to keep up the almanac? I have a notebook, so my drive is split into two, so space is at some what of a premium.

05-01-2003, 12:34 AM	#3
Kane182 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Quincy, MA Posts: 230	It will probably be closer to 2 gigs. I started in 1900 and am now in 1920 and about 600 MB has been taken up. I save the almanacs and the player reports. I do not save the boxscores though. __________________ Trade in your old video games/movies...Ask me how it works! Manager of the following SimCentral Teams: SCMLB - San Francisco Giants RSL - Detroit Diamonds ULB - Boston Colonials

05-01-2003, 02:23 AM	#6
TheRockCT All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: TN Posts: 1,083	If you want to keep them all, they'll get to be quite a large clump of data. Personally, if you have or know someone who does have a CD-Burner, just burn off 750 MB's worth of almanac data everytime you come to that point. The amount of years that 750 MB's will cover will depend on your league size, amount of players, logos, and what reports/boxscores you choose to save, but at least you can save them while getting them off your drive. __________________ GM, Vermont Emperor Penguins - POTD POTD Champions: 2011, 2012, 2013 GM, Monterrey Aztecs* - NABA *NABA Champions: 2013

05-01-2003, 01:20 PM	#8
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,211	Reading from CD so...how would I access the Almanac years that are archived onto the CD? What files am I saving? Is it just a restore to HD from CD when I want to look at them? Sorry if these are stupid questions...I'm not looking at OOTP5 files as I'm writing this. __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

05-01-2003, 04:14 PM	#13
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,211	makes sense...like I said, I've never looked at the almanac files. Thanks. __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

04-30-2003, 11:48 PM	#2
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Well the almanac for one of our seasons is just over 10MB. So I would say probably over 1GB for 100 years.

05-01-2003, 12:58 AM	#4
Qrusher14242 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,253	in a league i ran from 1900-2000, the almanacs take up 1gig.

05-01-2003, 01:59 AM	#5
Unfriendlybob Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Georgia Posts: 16	If you can live without, make sure you don't have team logos. These are saved every year to the almanac and being .bmps they can add up. You'll also save a lot more by not saving player reports or boxscores.

05-01-2003, 12:10 PM	#7
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	As people have said, it depends on how much info you're saving in your almanac each season. The 16 teams, 154 game seasons aren't too bad in HD consumption. If you don't have a CD burning drive, consider getting one. CDs are a good way to preserve the digital past.

05-01-2003, 01:42 PM	#9
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	The easiest way is just use your browser. Go to File-->Open and then browse to the CD. On the CD you should be able to find the folders listed by year. Go into whatever year you want, and click that you want to open the index.html file.

05-01-2003, 02:12 PM	#10
hamonrye Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 335	i've always wondered...if i burn past years of the almanac and then delete them to save some hard drive space, will it affect the career leaders board? or will the career leaders stay the same because the retired players are still there? thanks...

05-01-2003, 02:16 PM	#11
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	The career leader board is based upon data stored in the game files. You could wipe out every previous almanac folder, and it wouldn't matter for the creation of the next almanac.

05-01-2003, 04:05 PM	#12
hamonrye Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 335	thanks gastric reflux...

05-01-2003, 07:17 PM	#14
Bravo 1/5 USHA Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 108	Question: The stuff it saves, like boxscores and such...can you toggle the save or do not save feature each season? Or in the middle of a season? Without messing things up? Also, if after say 20 years of playing (or however long) you realize OK, I don't need to keep these...or these...or these...how do you then delete those specific things that have been saved? Thanks in advance! __________________ How 'bout dem Yanks!

05-02-2003, 05:46 AM	#15
dougk62 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tonganoxie, KS Posts: 304	I'm not sure this is the answer you are looking for, but try this and see if you answer your own questions. Open OOPT and sim a whole season of a league just to get an almanac file created. Set all the selections to yes. I think the almanac actually creates when you advance to next season. Once you have advanced to next season, completely exit your OOPT game. With the game completely closed, find the folder on your harddrive that contains your OOPT files. Open that folder and then open the folder for the league you just created an almanac for. There is a folder inside each league folder called "Almanac". Open that folder also and just see what is there. Anything at all inside there can be opened. Just double left click with your mouse over anything you want to look at and look at the page that comes up. When the page comes up, try clicking on a link. They all work. After you have looked around for maybe 5 minutes, I think you'll see how the almanac stuff works. You can delete the entire almanac folder if you wish or any individual file in the folder. Just right click over the folder or file you want to delete and scroll down the menu and select delete. Once you mess around with it for a while, you'll see how easy it is to save the box scores of just the dozen or so games that you'd like to have. You can decide if you like looking at players cards or not. You can delete all the cards except for those of you team. It's all up to you. It really is very simple and can take up as much or as little space as you want it to. The thing I try and remember is that if I want to see the box score of that no hitter, I better save the boxscores in the almanac. I just looked at some of my complete almanacs which I have made no changes to yet and they are between 40 and 45 megabytes. They can eat chunks out of your hard drive pretty quick. Get that CD-RW drive and save those files to a CD and you'll find that you'll get about 16 or 17 complete almanacs on one CD. You can access any info you want from any season now. You never really have to import the folder back into the game. __________________ NABA - Calgary Wolfpack JOBL - Jacksonville Express Creator of Offensive Value Rating Reports

05-02-2003, 02:07 PM	#16
Bravo 1/5 USHA Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 108	Great stuff Dogu, thanks for the info! I am definitely going to try it. Do you know though, once you start deleting things, does that affect in any way the stats saved in the almanac? Thanks again! BRAVO 1/5 edit: oops...I mean doUG. SOrry abou that __________________ How 'bout dem Yanks! Last edited by Bravo 1/5 USHA; 05-02-2003 at 08:02 PM.

05-02-2003, 03:15 PM	#17
dougk62 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tonganoxie, KS Posts: 304	The "stats" aren't what is saved really. Just all the individual pages. The almanac doesn't save stats and create a box score when you look at that box score. The only thing that will happen if you start deleting things is that some of the links from one page to another will stop working if you have deleted the page that the link points to. If you never care to see a box score again from game #245, delete it. If you never care to see team 14's financial page, delete it. It's all up to you and all operates outside the game. The "online league" options work the same way. All the files generated for an online league do not have to be placed on the world wide web. You really only have to place them there if you want others to see them. Save the online league files to your hard drive or a CD rom and you can view all the reports an online league gets. __________________ NABA - Calgary Wolfpack JOBL - Jacksonville Express Creator of Offensive Value Rating Reports

05-02-2003, 08:02 PM	#18
Bravo 1/5 USHA Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 108	Sweet! Thanks man! __________________ How 'bout dem Yanks!

05-03-2003, 11:11 PM	#19
thevat Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 177	I think I will probably buy an external CD writer, they look relatively cheap now and that sounds like it would solve the problem of space on the HD. If I understand correctly then, you just backup each almanac year after it updates, then delete it from the hard drive, because it doesn't need to be there to update from year to year. Is that right?

05-04-2003, 11:49 AM	#20
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	You don't have to do it every year. When I do something like that, I do until I have enough almanacs to fill about 600 megabytes, which will use up most of the space on a CD. Once you have that safely done (consider doing two CDs as a precaution), then you can take the years you backed up and put them in the Recycle Bin. Then whenever you feel like looking back at years' past, just pop the CD into the drive and browse to your content.