The World of Football/Soccer. - Page 24

mlyons · 07-22-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

I'm betting Messi learned his touch on the dirt streets and such of Argentina and not on manicured fields.

He was playing in the youth system of one of Argentina's biggest clubs by age 8. I think he had his fair share of manicured fields.

Tommysixfingers · 07-22-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

That would explain why touch skills in general might have gotten worse, but it wouldn't really explain why English players tend to be worse than a lot of other nationalities at it. I don't think Xavi or Messi grew up playing on tarmac, after all.

Am I simplifying (sp?) things if I say that the English view on football has, at least historically speaking, been more of a physical, high work ethic kind of game where other leagues and nations might have had a bit more "flair" (lost for good words here) and technical players. Sweden is the same imo. Sometimes you get a gem like Zlatan that can actually handle a ball that is very rare.

The invasion of foreign players into the EPL lately has turned the league into the best in the world today perhaps. Hope I don't offend the brits now but you only have to go back 10-15 years and the football in England was like watching a L1 game today. Lot's of long balls and very little in the technical department to get escited over.

ukhotstove · 07-23-2009, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

He was playing in the youth system of one of Argentina's biggest clubs by age 8. I think he had his fair share of manicured fields.

Have you seen the fields in South America even some of the top teams would compare to probably non league football for the quality of pitches they play on.

ukhotstove · 07-23-2009, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

Am I simplifying (sp?) things if I say that the English view on football has, at least historically speaking, been more of a physical, high work ethic kind of game where other leagues and nations might have had a bit more "flair" (lost for good words here) and technical players. Sweden is the same imo. Sometimes you get a gem like Zlatan that can actually handle a ball that is very rare.

The invasion of foreign players into the EPL lately has turned the league into the best in the world today perhaps. Hope I don't offend the brits now but you only have to go back 10-15 years and the football in England was like watching a L1 game today. Lot's of long balls and very little in the technical department to get escited over.

Although it was some years ago England lost ground with the ban they received, still say it was partly due to the fact they were dominating Europe at the time. What English football as always been built on and tommy touches on that is the physical aspect and work ethic plus the passion but there have been plenty of skillfull players throughout English football but we've partly been brainwashed into thinking that an average South American player is better than a top European player just because of where he comes from.

ukhotstove · 07-23-2009, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

Am I simplifying (sp?) things if I say that the English view on football has, at least historically speaking, been more of a physical, high work ethic kind of game where other leagues and nations might have had a bit more "flair" (lost for good words here) and technical players. Sweden is the same imo. Sometimes you get a gem like Zlatan that can actually handle a ball that is very rare.

The invasion of foreign players into the EPL lately has turned the league into the best in the world today perhaps. Hope I don't offend the brits now but you only have to go back 10-15 years and the football in England was like watching a L1 game today. Lot's of long balls and very little in the technical department to get escited over.

Never really seen much Swedish football simply because it's not shown over here (league wise anyway) but I'd say Swedish football is kind of the same as English football simply reason being one of the first countries scouts go to is Sweden, knowing that a Swedish player can fit into English football quicker unless your names Brolin

bababui · 07-23-2009, 11:58 PM

Nice little match shaping up here between Mexico and Costa Rica in the semi's of the Gold Cup. CR scored in the last 30 seconds of regular time to tie.

rudel.dietrich · 07-25-2009, 02:30 AM

FC St. Pauli season tickets came in the mail this morning.

Tommysixfingers · 07-25-2009, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Never really seen much Swedish football simply because it's not shown over here (league wise anyway) but I'd say Swedish football is kind of the same as English football simply reason being one of the first countries scouts go to is Sweden, knowing that a Swedish player can fit into English football quicker unless your names Brolin

You haven't missed anything, trust me. Allsvenskan (the top div in Sweden) is not a good league by any means. Still, we manage to spit out a couple of good players now and then.

Swedish players in general tend to work hard without complaining and that is appreciated in Brittish football.

Brolin's legacy is not one that I would appreciate as a former player. It is a bit sad imo as I would argue that he was one of the best in the world before his leg injury. After that, he was never the same and we all know that his stints in England wasn't very succesful. A high profile Swedish sports journalist made a comment a couple of years ago (when he thought that the mic was turned off) and said that Brolin was one of the most bitter persons that he had met.

ukhotstove · 07-25-2009, 03:45 PM

Tommy how would you rate Eric Edman ? This is his second season at Wigan but because of injury he's only played 7 games for us.

phightin · 07-28-2009, 07:12 PM

Not happy about the US result in the finals obviously but more so in the performance. I don't care if it was their B team Mexico was also without some of their top players and a 5-0 loss is inexcusable. To be honest the top teams in the tournament US, Mexico, Cost Rica, and Honduras didn't even have their top players playing for the most part so I am questioning the purpose of the competition in general. If national sides aren't going to at least take seriously than maybe it's time to just simply not play it. No one wants to pay money to go to stadium and see the US B and C teams.

In my personal world of football/soccer I had an interview yesterday for the assistant coaching position I had previously mentioned. It's a Division 1 school right outside of NYC so it would be a great opportunity. I thought the interview went well. The coach was a real nice guy, he was impressed with my resume and experience etc. He did a lot of the talking describing the position, introduced me to the various members of the athletic department, showed me a lot of the facilities, had me meet the team captain and let her give me a tour around campus, and also bought me lunch. I thought it went well considering everything but you can never tell with these things. The one thing that possibly is a good sign is that he did try to seem to sell me on the position which I thought was a good indicator. The only thing is that I was the first of three people being interviewed and I just feel that since there are already two males on the staff he may be inclined to bring in a female which is understandable. I should know by thursday hopefully so we'll see.

LFC1892 · 07-30-2009, 03:44 AM

Does your resume have any Football Manager/WWSM experience listed? That's a deal sealer right there! Good luck man.

ukhotstove · 07-31-2009, 01:47 PM

RIP Sir Bobby

One of the greatest managers and a true gentleman.

boblight24 · 08-01-2009, 10:57 AM

Can someone on here explain, to a soccer newbie, how the transfers and loans work in the world of soccer?!?!

ukhotstove · 08-01-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by boblight24

Can someone on here explain, to a soccer newbie, how the transfers and loans work in the world of soccer?!?!

I'll explain in a baseball way, instead of the Boston Red Sox sending 3 players to the Cleveland Indians for Victor Martinez they would have bought him for say $10,000,000 and not sent any players or on some occasions if they couldn't afford £10,000,000 or they wanted to offload a player for salary reasons they would have sent $8,000,000 and a player.

A loan on the other hand is usually a bigger team sending a young player to another team to give him experience, an example being again the Boston Red Sox sending say Josh Reddick to someone like the Nationals or Pirates knowing he'd get more chances to play and gain some experience, a time frame is agreed say for half a season or a full season and the Red Sox would still pay his salary or an agreed % of it.

Hope this helps in someway.

rudel.dietrich · 08-01-2009, 02:39 PM

To add what UK said. You are paying for the right to negotiate a contract with that player. You are technicaly not playing for the player himself. You are giving his team a lump sum of money (or money over a period of time) in order for you to offer a contract for him.

So there are two parts. The transfer phase were teams bid on the player and then the contract phase where a player and his agent work out a contract. There are times when multiple bids are accepted and the player has multiple contracts in front of him to choose from.

UK was not wrong. But I did want to clear up that a little bit.

mlyons · 08-01-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by boblight24

Can someone on here explain, to a soccer newbie, how the transfers and loans work in the world of soccer?!?!

Transfers work exactly the same way as the Daisuke Matsuzaka signing did.

bababui · 08-11-2009, 12:58 AM

Fox Football Fonein returned today and the guy who basically started it and carried it was fired for some comments he made about the Hillsborough incident and Liverpool fans. Nick Webster returns and Eric Wynalda replaced Cohen.

I wont watch this show. Cohen was what made it good. Webster is a sad little company man who didnt have the cajones to tell what club he supported. In Websters own words, he is a Billy BigBoots with not much to say.

Couldnt care less about Wynalda and while Im American I dont care about the MLS. Maybe one day. Maybe when they run it like a real league.

Hate to say this and I know its negative, but I hope this show fails and fails miserably. I feel FSC stabbed Steve in the back and Nick Webster's ego is tricking him into believing that he can helm the show.

Its a real black day for me because I really liked this show, as far as it had fallen with Nick Webster and his FSC-centric views.

Russ · 08-11-2009, 03:39 AM

They fired Cohen over that? That was months ago.

Does he still do World Soccer Daily?

ukhotstove · 08-11-2009, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Fox Football Fonein returned today and the guy who basically started it and carried it was fired for some comments he made about the Hillsborough incident and Liverpool fans. Nick Webster returns and Eric Wynalda replaced Cohen.

I wont watch this show. Cohen was what made it good. Webster is a sad little company man who didnt have the cajones to tell what club he supported. In Websters own words, he is a Billy BigBoots with not much to say.

Couldnt care less about Wynalda and while Im American I dont care about the MLS. Maybe one day. Maybe when they run it like a real league.

Hate to say this and I know its negative, but I hope this show fails and fails miserably. I feel FSC stabbed Steve in the back and Nick Webster's ego is tricking him into believing that he can helm the show.

Its a real black day for me because I really liked this show, as far as it had fallen with Nick Webster and his FSC-centric views.

No idea what he said about Hillsborough but he obviously didn't read the 1st commandment of football "Thou shalt not say bad things about Liverpool fans as they are always victims"

bababui · 08-11-2009, 04:08 AM

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They fired Cohen over that? That was months ago.

Does he still do World Soccer Daily?

He owns WSD so he cant be fired. But they used that as an excuse to fire him from FFF. He wasnt a company boy. I wont be watching this season.

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No idea what he said about Hillsborough but he obviously didn't read the 1st commandment of football "Thou shalt not say bad things about Liverpool fans as they are always victims"

A group of them pressured the US division of Murdochs empire to fire him. Its a sad day for football in this country.

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phightin All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 586	Not happy about the US result in the finals obviously but more so in the performance. I don't care if it was their B team Mexico was also without some of their top players and a 5-0 loss is inexcusable. To be honest the top teams in the tournament US, Mexico, Cost Rica, and Honduras didn't even have their top players playing for the most part so I am questioning the purpose of the competition in general. If national sides aren't going to at least take seriously than maybe it's time to just simply not play it. No one wants to pay money to go to stadium and see the US B and C teams. In my personal world of football/soccer I had an interview yesterday for the assistant coaching position I had previously mentioned. It's a Division 1 school right outside of NYC so it would be a great opportunity. I thought the interview went well. The coach was a real nice guy, he was impressed with my resume and experience etc. He did a lot of the talking describing the position, introduced me to the various members of the athletic department, showed me a lot of the facilities, had me meet the team captain and let her give me a tour around campus, and also bought me lunch. I thought it went well considering everything but you can never tell with these things. The one thing that possibly is a good sign is that he did try to seem to sell me on the position which I thought was a good indicator. The only thing is that I was the first of three people being interviewed and I just feel that since there are already two males on the staff he may be inclined to bring in a female which is understandable. I should know by thursday hopefully so we'll see.

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rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	To add what UK said. You are paying for the right to negotiate a contract with that player. You are technicaly not playing for the player himself. You are giving his team a lump sum of money (or money over a period of time) in order for you to offer a contract for him. So there are two parts. The transfer phase were teams bid on the player and then the contract phase where a player and his agent work out a contract. There are times when multiple bids are accepted and the player has multiple contracts in front of him to choose from. UK was not wrong. But I did want to clear up that a little bit.