Ready for SS, but there is no SS

dlefe · 08-03-2009, 02:38 PM

Hi,

Hopefully, someone has seen this before.

I have 4 minor league levels: AAA, AA, A and Rookie. When a player is ready to move up in the Rookie league, and indicates that a player is "Ready for Short Season"; however, I don't have a Short Season.

Did I miss a setting somewhere?

Thanks for any help.

dlefe · 08-08-2009, 06:03 PM

Bump....

Has no one seen this type of message.

Did I make a mistake in not creating a Short Season League, and should I start my league over to correct this?

thanks

84Hammy · 08-08-2009, 06:13 PM

I would guess that is just a standard message programmed in the game.

Eumel · 08-08-2009, 06:18 PM

Nah, this is a little bug in that report only.
There's nothing wrong with your league whatsoever.

The player would be ready for Short Season A, if that league existed.
For some reason, the game still refers to non-existing leagues in this report. Even if a guy is ready for Single A, it would say "ready for Short Season A". It just uses the next highest level, existent or not.

You could give the guy a try in Single A and see how he fares.

Afino · 08-08-2009, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eumel

Nah, this is a little bug in that report only.
There's nothing wrong with your league whatsoever.

The player would be ready for Short Season A, if that league existed.
For some reason, the game still refers to non-existing leagues in this report. Even if a guy is ready for Single A, it would say "ready for Short Season A". It just uses the next highest level, existent or not.

You could give the guy a try in Single A and see how he fares.

Not true.

It will still say "Ready for Single A" or Double or even Triple A if the scout truly feels that.

But I do agree with giving the guy a try in Single A anyways

TribeFanInNC · 08-08-2009, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlefe

Hi,

Hopefully, someone has seen this before.

I have 4 minor league levels: AAA, AA, A and Rookie. When a player is ready to move up in the Rookie league, and indicates that a player is "Ready for Short Season"; however, I don't have a Short Season.

Did I miss a setting somewhere?

Thanks for any help.

No, you didn't miss anything. The report doesn't pull any information about your league setup. It just says he is ready for the next level. SS is the next default level after rookie, so that is what it says. Don't read too much into it.

dlefe · 08-08-2009, 09:34 PM

Thanks everyone. It's good to know that I didn't miss any settings somewhere. All feedback was appreciated.

conception · 08-08-2009, 10:42 PM

I've found its best to keep your league levels appropriately tiered- if you aren't going to have a short-A, instead of using a rookie league as the lowest league, use the short-A. That way you don't run into these issues.

dlefe · 08-08-2009, 11:33 PM

Interesting Idea conception. I wonder what the effect would be if I changed my Rookie Level to Short Season mid way through the season, or even what the effect would be if I did it at the end of the season.

Wonder if it would screw up History, Player Profiles, etc...

Afino · 08-08-2009, 11:58 PM

Your best option in that regard is wait until the next year's preseason, create a Short A league, manually promote all of the Rookie league players league-wide to Short A, then delete the Rookie league.

Biggio509 · 08-10-2009, 02:29 PM

My solution is to take all advanced rookie leagues and make them short A that way all teams have a rookie league and a short A team. Some may have two rookie league teams and one short A. I will post a list of which leagues in a real life structure are advanced rookie leagues and should be changed to short A to fix the problem.

However, this does not solve the problem of having High A and Low A. In fact in my games as Houston the teams are often reversed. Lexington should be low A and Lancaster should be high A but the computer orders Lexington a little higher than Lancaster. That is something for a patch or the next OOTP to sort out.

The explanation of what I mean by what I said up there if needed. I am not sure if OOTP follows the way things work IRL. Every team has at least one low rookie league team and one advanced rookie league team or a short A team. In reality short A and advanced rookie leagues are about the same. For instance last year the Houston Astros had a rookie league team in the applahain league, a normal rookie league and a team in the NYP league, a short A team. If you look at say Cincinatti, they had a team in a normal rookie league and a team in the Pioneer league league which is advanced rookie league.

If things work the way they should Cinci should have its better rookies in the Pioneer league and Houston should have its better rookies in short A. So a promotion to short A is the same as a promotion to advanced rookie league. OOTP does not make the distinction between advanced R and R nor does it make the distinction between advanced A and A ball when it labels teams. I am not sure if it makes the distinction when allocating players to the roster.

I think the easiest thing to do is make advanced rookie leagues short A teams. So each team has at least one rookie league team and one short A team. It is not realistic in the way leagues are named but it is realistic in the way it works. If OOTP adds functionality to seperate advance rookie and advance A from their counterparts it would be very useful.

Biggio509 · 08-10-2009, 02:37 PM

Here's the list. Now it makes sense why the Astros added the GCL team but I am not sure why they have a SA and an Advanced rookie league.

Rookie leagues that could be reclassified as SA (Rookie Advanced)
Appalachian
Pioneer

Rookie
Gulf coast League
Arizona League

Advanced rookie is not really the same as Short A but it is close most advanced rookie leagues are second year players drafted from high school. SA are mostly new college players. The problem is that not every team has a SA club. I think many teams that do not have SA clubs use advance rookie in the way a team with a SA club.

Essentially this means 4 SA leagues and only 2 rookie leagues but it gives more accuracy to the way the system is used although not accuracy in name or structure.

Now if we can just get an advanced A designation in the game.

Biggio509 · 08-10-2009, 02:45 PM

Also note doing this leaves 4 teams with no Rookie league but everyone has a SA and most have a rookie league as well.

08-03-2009, 02:38 PM	#1
dlefe Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ON, Canada Posts: 57	Ready for SS, but there is no SS Hi, Hopefully, someone has seen this before. I have 4 minor league levels: AAA, AA, A and Rookie. When a player is ready to move up in the Rookie league, and indicates that a player is "Ready for Short Season"; however, I don't have a Short Season. Did I miss a setting somewhere? Thanks for any help.

08-08-2009, 11:58 PM	#10
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,828	Your best option in that regard is wait until the next year's preseason, create a Short A league, manually promote all of the Rookie league players league-wide to Short A, then delete the Rookie league. __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers

08-08-2009, 06:03 PM	#2
dlefe Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ON, Canada Posts: 57	Bump.... Has no one seen this type of message. Did I make a mistake in not creating a Short Season League, and should I start my league over to correct this? thanks

08-08-2009, 06:13 PM	#3
84Hammy All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Stinky Windsor Posts: 919	I would guess that is just a standard message programmed in the game.

08-08-2009, 06:18 PM	#4
Eumel Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 499	Nah, this is a little bug in that report only. There's nothing wrong with your league whatsoever. The player would be ready for Short Season A, if that league existed. For some reason, the game still refers to non-existing leagues in this report. Even if a guy is ready for Single A, it would say "ready for Short Season A". It just uses the next highest level, existent or not. You could give the guy a try in Single A and see how he fares.

08-08-2009, 09:34 PM	#7
dlefe Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ON, Canada Posts: 57	Thanks everyone. It's good to know that I didn't miss any settings somewhere. All feedback was appreciated.

08-08-2009, 10:42 PM	#8
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,150	I've found its best to keep your league levels appropriately tiered- if you aren't going to have a short-A, instead of using a rookie league as the lowest league, use the short-A. That way you don't run into these issues.

08-08-2009, 11:33 PM	#9
dlefe Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ON, Canada Posts: 57	Interesting Idea conception. I wonder what the effect would be if I changed my Rookie Level to Short Season mid way through the season, or even what the effect would be if I did it at the end of the season. Wonder if it would screw up History, Player Profiles, etc...

08-10-2009, 02:29 PM	#11
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,027	My solution is to take all advanced rookie leagues and make them short A that way all teams have a rookie league and a short A team. Some may have two rookie league teams and one short A. I will post a list of which leagues in a real life structure are advanced rookie leagues and should be changed to short A to fix the problem. However, this does not solve the problem of having High A and Low A. In fact in my games as Houston the teams are often reversed. Lexington should be low A and Lancaster should be high A but the computer orders Lexington a little higher than Lancaster. That is something for a patch or the next OOTP to sort out. The explanation of what I mean by what I said up there if needed. I am not sure if OOTP follows the way things work IRL. Every team has at least one low rookie league team and one advanced rookie league team or a short A team. In reality short A and advanced rookie leagues are about the same. For instance last year the Houston Astros had a rookie league team in the applahain league, a normal rookie league and a team in the NYP league, a short A team. If you look at say Cincinatti, they had a team in a normal rookie league and a team in the Pioneer league league which is advanced rookie league. If things work the way they should Cinci should have its better rookies in the Pioneer league and Houston should have its better rookies in short A. So a promotion to short A is the same as a promotion to advanced rookie league. OOTP does not make the distinction between advanced R and R nor does it make the distinction between advanced A and A ball when it labels teams. I am not sure if it makes the distinction when allocating players to the roster. I think the easiest thing to do is make advanced rookie leagues short A teams. So each team has at least one rookie league team and one short A team. It is not realistic in the way leagues are named but it is realistic in the way it works. If OOTP adds functionality to seperate advance rookie and advance A from their counterparts it would be very useful.

08-10-2009, 02:37 PM	#12
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,027	Here's the list. Now it makes sense why the Astros added the GCL team but I am not sure why they have a SA and an Advanced rookie league. Rookie leagues that could be reclassified as SA (Rookie Advanced) Appalachian Pioneer Rookie Gulf coast League Arizona League Advanced rookie is not really the same as Short A but it is close most advanced rookie leagues are second year players drafted from high school. SA are mostly new college players. The problem is that not every team has a SA club. I think many teams that do not have SA clubs use advance rookie in the way a team with a SA club. Essentially this means 4 SA leagues and only 2 rookie leagues but it gives more accuracy to the way the system is used although not accuracy in name or structure. Now if we can just get an advanced A designation in the game.

08-10-2009, 02:45 PM	#13
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,027	Also note doing this leaves 4 teams with no Rookie league but everyone has a SA and most have a rookie league as well.