BZ 3423: Pitch data not importing correctly

Gambo · 06-20-2009, 02:55 AM

It appears that post patch the game is not correctly importing the pitch data for the pitchers. I have tested using Phil Niekro and Mariano Rivera and for neither is correct pitch type being imported.

The database continues not to have complete or accurate pitch data and when importing the data is not imported correctly.

Since I am trying to update my database for use in OOTPX any information regarding these issues and the possible fix time for this would be appreciated.

Spritze · 06-20-2009, 12:38 PM

The extra columns that were added for historical import of draft values and pitch types and career fielding are not currently compatable with user created External db's. External db's should follow the current Lahman format at this time.

You can try deleting/renaming the odb file and replacing the master.csv with your file but it most likely will not import the additional data.

Gambo · 06-20-2009, 02:58 PM

That would be just fine if it worked using the .odb database.

Right now it doesn't import the pitch data using ANY database (.odb or .csv), provided in game or user created.

Simply put...the feature does not work.

Base Stealer · 06-21-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambo

Simply put...the feature does not work.

Agreed...and, moreover, there's also something wrong with stamina i think. One exemple is Pedro Martinez having only 2 pitches (fastball and curveball) and only a stamina of 2 (on a 20 rating) even when i set the import to have stamina based on entire carreer....

Spritze · 06-21-2009, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambo

That would be just fine if it worked using the .odb database.

Right now it doesn't import the pitch data using ANY database (.odb or .csv), provided in game or user created.

Simply put...the feature does not work.

I believe the data collection person who was working on this feature during beta may not have finished yet.

rwd59 · 06-22-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Base Stealer

Agreed...and, moreover, there's also something wrong with stamina i think. One exemple is Pedro Martinez having only 2 pitches (fastball and curveball) and only a stamina of 2 (on a 20 rating) even when i set the import to have stamina based on entire carreer....

I agree with this. I have had MANY pitchers with almost useless stamina who started 80-90% of their career games pitched.

battists · 06-30-2009, 05:46 PM

Guys,

Thanks for your posts, and sorry for the delay in getting back to you. The first few weeks after the release are always pretty busy around here!

This isn't my area of expertise, really, but I've sent a few messages around to see if we can figure out what's going on here.

Thanks for the information, and sorry I don't have a solution handy...

Steve

golander40 · 06-30-2009, 06:18 PM

I'm really surprised,that this has not created more of an uproar.If I recall the amount of excitement about this "Feature" ? that was created (And publicized as a new feature) and now being called a failure,one would think the "Powers That Be" would be paying alot more attention to the problem.
Still a big supporter,but a bit disappointed.
Gil

battists · 06-30-2009, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golander40

I'm really surprised,that this has not created more of an uproar.If I recall the amount of excitement about this "Feature" ? that was created (And publicized as a new feature) and now being called a failure,one would think the "Powers That Be" would be paying alot more attention to the problem.
Still a big supporter,but a bit disappointed.
Gil

I suspect that a lot of this has to do with the tech support process. The fact is, Markus doesn't see every post that appears in General Discussion, and this thread didn't appear in Tech Support until the most recent patch was already being packaged for release.

Now that we're aware of it, we'll try to get it well-defined so that it can be promptly resolved and released in a patch.

Thanks!

Steve

golander40 · 06-30-2009, 06:53 PM

Gotta Love The Response Time !!

Thanks for info
Gil

battists · 06-30-2009, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golander40

Gotta Love The Response Time !!

Thanks for info
Gil

On vacation from my full-time job this week.

clamel · 07-01-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

I suspect that a lot of this has to do with the tech support process. The fact is, Markus doesn't see every post that appears in General Discussion, and this thread didn't appear in Tech Support until the most recent patch was already being packaged for release.

Now that we're aware of it, we'll try to get it well-defined so that it can be promptly resolved and released in a patch.

Thanks!

Steve

I look forward to see this. It was a chock to me and I decided to wait buying the game. The pitch reportoire is the very BIG thing IMHO for this release, but then the historical pitches MUST be imported corrcetly.
It must to 100% also be some way to add this stuff to "doctored" DBases, not only in the compiled version odb.

Why didn´t you guys use an extra file that folks can edit and correct fastball speeds and pitch selevctions. That worked fine with BM2010.

What patch will include a better function to correctly import pitches ??

StyxNCa · 07-01-2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

I suspect that a lot of this has to do with the tech support process. The fact is, Markus doesn't see every post that appears in General Discussion, and this thread didn't appear in Tech Support until the most recent patch was already being packaged for release.

Now that we're aware of it, we'll try to get it well-defined so that it can be promptly resolved and released in a patch.

Thanks!

Steve

It's easy to understand why some people think the General Discussion forum is also for tech support issues since stickies at the top of General Discussion are threads having to do with tech support things.

clamel · 07-03-2009, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

I suspect that a lot of this has to do with the tech support process. The fact is, Markus doesn't see every post that appears in General Discussion, and this thread didn't appear in Tech Support until the most recent patch was already being packaged for release.

Now that we're aware of it, we'll try to get it well-defined so that it can be promptly resolved and released in a patch.

Thanks!

Steve

Is this logged as a problem ?
I can´t see any BZ number.
This thing of importing "correct" pitches for pitchers was one of the GREAT features and it seams to have fallen beside the bed.
This must be brought into a logged issue and be corrected ASAP for the next patch.
If the master file can´t take this, create another separate file and just import the stuff in like injuries, weathers, financials. The pitches in themselves should be based on the overall quality of the pitcher based on the historical import of course.

Is this pitch feature only to be OK with fictional players ???

clamel · 07-11-2009, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

I suspect that a lot of this has to do with the tech support process. The fact is, Markus doesn't see every post that appears in General Discussion, and this thread didn't appear in Tech Support until the most recent patch was already being packaged for release.

Now that we're aware of it, we'll try to get it well-defined so that it can be promptly resolved and released in a patch.

Thanks!

Steve

Is this to be logged as a problem ????
Calm me down please Battist

golander40 · 07-11-2009, 04:33 PM

I still say the Promised/advertised "Real Life" historical/present pitches that the pitchers used,not being accurate is the Biggest disappointment/Problem with X.
Really haven't seen any sign that its going to be fixed or even being tried to be fixed---Seeing the famous Knuckleball pitchers and their 95 mph fastballs is a bit disconcerting (as an example) Wilhelm/Waklefield-Rivera (Cutter) Bridges (Curveball) Etc Etc
All I need is, its being fixed,comment,from someone in the "Know"
Thanks
Gil

Nutlaw · 07-11-2009, 08:24 PM

Guys, as far as I know someone is working on it and he is not yet finished.

clamel · 07-12-2009, 11:59 AM

I might add this observation to this. It might help Markus ????

A straight import will indeed NOT import whatever the master.csv file says the pitcher threw.

More strange is then that when you got a "dynasty" with imported pitchers you CAN´T change the selection of pitches in the editor.

Saving and getting back the pitcher still shows the "wrong selection" on the screen. Looking in the Editor part it shows the "edited" "correct selection" you yourselve edited.

No way you can get the correct pitch selection by doing the hard work of editing each and every one in the OOTP editor.

HOWEVER I found this roundabout for the problem (which of course is a monster work)

Having the whole roster exported to a text file and then changing the values of the pitches and the selection worked out 100% when you then imported the text-file.

Naturally this might only work when the dynasty is set up. Else you might have to keep exporting-importing rosters every new year.
Truly a monster work.

BUT AT LEAST the function of changing pitch selection is possible.

Now I hope Markus can work out from this testing about importing and changing pitch selections.

Any help ??

battists · 07-16-2009, 11:18 PM

This has been logged as bug 3423. We'll have Markus take a look at it as soon as possible. I believe this to be tied into some other historical database problems we're looking at...

Thanks,

Steve

clamel · 07-18-2009, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clamel

I might add this observation to this. It might help Markus ????

A straight import will indeed NOT import whatever the master.csv file says the pitcher threw.

More strange is then that when you got a "dynasty" with imported pitchers you CAN´T change the selection of pitches in the editor.

Saving and getting back the pitcher still shows the "wrong selection" on the screen. Looking in the Editor part it shows the "edited" "correct selection" you yourselve edited.

No way you can get the correct pitch selection by doing the hard work of editing each and every one in the OOTP editor.

HOWEVER I found this roundabout for the problem (which of course is a monster work)

Having the whole roster exported to a text file and then changing the values of the pitches and the selection worked out 100% when you then imported the text-file.

Naturally this might only work when the dynasty is set up. Else you might have to keep exporting-importing rosters every new year.
Truly a monster work.

BUT AT LEAST the function of changing pitch selection is possible.

Now I hope Markus can work out from this testing about importing and changing pitch selections.

Any help ??

Sorry I have overstretched the problem a little bit.
If this might help the changing of already imported pitch selection have something to do with having scouts sets ON.
If you unclick the scouts and then re-click scouts on the pitcher indeed get the new version of pitch selections.

However this was just a smaller part of the large issue.

Pitch selections DOESN´T import correctly. Need ASAP to be fixed.
One of the game sell issues....

As I said in a different thread...
Why not make a new file (like injuries, financials etc) and have players import different pitches for those who actually did add or took away a pitch over their long career.

Having recalc on as normal in Historical settings the development of different pitches (even adding a new pitch) is put out of play.

Like Dennis Eckersley threw Fastball, Curve, Slider as a starter then only Fastball and sliders as a closer. (Neyer/James book Guide to Pitchers)

It will much more realistic if a pitcher actaully imported a new set of pitches every year (and so for outfield things)

A brand new file instead of "messing around" with a "standard" file from Lahmann a new file could much more easily be "edited" (like injuries) by players finding some small "mistakes" in the master.csv file.

Options of whatever pitches a certain pitches actually threw will always be debated. Leave that to the vast majority of players liking to keep editing and improve the game.
Just look at Injury-Log making up a fine new injury file that was included in OOTPX as I understand it.

Rethink for OOTP11, but fix the import as is ASAP.

06-20-2009, 02:55 AM	#1
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	BZ 3423: Pitch data not importing correctly It appears that post patch the game is not correctly importing the pitch data for the pitchers. I have tested using Phil Niekro and Mariano Rivera and for neither is correct pitch type being imported. The database continues not to have complete or accurate pitch data and when importing the data is not imported correctly. Since I am trying to update my database for use in OOTPX any information regarding these issues and the possible fix time for this would be appreciated. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

06-20-2009, 02:58 PM	#3
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	That would be just fine if it worked using the .odb database. Right now it doesn't import the pitch data using ANY database (.odb or .csv), provided in game or user created. Simply put...the feature does not work. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

06-30-2009, 06:18 PM	#8
golander40 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 325	Surprised I'm really surprised,that this has not created more of an uproar.If I recall the amount of excitement about this "Feature" ? that was created (And publicized as a new feature) and now being called a failure,one would think the "Powers That Be" would be paying alot more attention to the problem. Still a big supporter,but a bit disappointed. Gil

06-30-2009, 06:53 PM	#10
golander40 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 325	Gotta Gotta Love The Response Time !! Thanks for info Gil

07-11-2009, 04:33 PM	#16
golander40 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 325	Still Say I still say the Promised/advertised "Real Life" historical/present pitches that the pitchers used,not being accurate is the Biggest disappointment/Problem with X. Really haven't seen any sign that its going to be fixed or even being tried to be fixed---Seeing the famous Knuckleball pitchers and their 95 mph fastballs is a bit disconcerting (as an example) Wilhelm/Waklefield-Rivera (Cutter) Bridges (Curveball) Etc Etc All I need is, its being fixed,comment,from someone in the "Know" Thanks Gil

06-20-2009, 12:38 PM	#2
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	The extra columns that were added for historical import of draft values and pitch types and career fielding are not currently compatable with user created External db's. External db's should follow the current Lahman format at this time. You can try deleting/renaming the odb file and replacing the master.csv with your file but it most likely will not import the additional data.

06-30-2009, 05:46 PM	#7
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Guys, Thanks for your posts, and sorry for the delay in getting back to you. The first few weeks after the release are always pretty busy around here! This isn't my area of expertise, really, but I've sent a few messages around to see if we can figure out what's going on here. Thanks for the information, and sorry I don't have a solution handy... Steve

07-11-2009, 08:24 PM	#17
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Guys, as far as I know someone is working on it and he is not yet finished.

07-12-2009, 11:59 AM	#18
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,037	I might add this observation to this. It might help Markus ???? A straight import will indeed NOT import whatever the master.csv file says the pitcher threw. More strange is then that when you got a "dynasty" with imported pitchers you CAN´T change the selection of pitches in the editor. Saving and getting back the pitcher still shows the "wrong selection" on the screen. Looking in the Editor part it shows the "edited" "correct selection" you yourselve edited. No way you can get the correct pitch selection by doing the hard work of editing each and every one in the OOTP editor. HOWEVER I found this roundabout for the problem (which of course is a monster work) Having the whole roster exported to a text file and then changing the values of the pitches and the selection worked out 100% when you then imported the text-file. Naturally this might only work when the dynasty is set up. Else you might have to keep exporting-importing rosters every new year. Truly a monster work. BUT AT LEAST the function of changing pitch selection is possible. Now I hope Markus can work out from this testing about importing and changing pitch selections. Any help ??

07-16-2009, 11:18 PM	#19
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	This has been logged as bug 3423. We'll have Markus take a look at it as soon as possible. I believe this to be tied into some other historical database problems we're looking at... Thanks, Steve __________________ Come check out my dynasty report, Funky Times!