More realistic injury file - Page 3

Matter2003 · 06-18-2009, 01:15 AM

OK, this is a major update to the file which I have ben working on virtually all day...

this update corrects almost 65% of the injuries, adds quite a few more descriptive injuries and also adds right/left, finger name(ring, index, middle, little), toe name(big, index, middle, fourth, little), rib name(7th, 8th, 9th, 10th), and upper/lower designations where appropriate.

So, no longer will you have a finger sprain. You will have a sprain of the right ring finger. You won't have a bruised toe. You will have a bruise of the left index toe. You won't have a broken rib. You will have a broken 9th rib. You won't have back stiffness. You will have lower back stiffness. You won't have a sore knee, you will have a sore left knee.

This basically more than doubled the size of the injury file, so there will be plenty of differing injuries from the original. I also added a few more injuries that were not included in the original such as intercostal strain, broken (various) toes, torn tendon sheath in right/left wrist and a few others I can't remember. There are more I want to add, but I thought since so much got done with the file today I would release what I had. I know I had said I wanted to finish adjusting injury times first before doing anything else, but I after getting almost 60% thru the file, I decided to work on something else due to well, boredom of doing the same thing over and over to be quite honest

. Over the next few days I will be adding more injuries and finishing updating the injury lengths.

Let me know if there are any descriptors that sound funny to you, as there are some that could have been stated a few different ways. If enough people disagree, I will state it another way...

new file to download replaces the file on the first page

rjv3 · 06-18-2009, 08:02 AM

Awesome job so far.

Dolphinfan · 06-18-2009, 08:49 AM

I also must say thank you for all your time and effort you have put into this.

PotatoPeeler · 06-18-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

The injury file is so disorganized that it is very difficult to make a clear and coherent injury file.

That's the main thing, IMO. That file is a huge mess.

PotatoPeeler · 06-18-2009, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matter2003

OK, this is a major update to the file which I have ben working on virtually all day...

this update corrects almost 65% of the injuries, adds quite a few more descriptive injuries and also adds right/left, finger name(ring, index, middle, little), toe name(big, index, middle, fourth, little), rib name(7th, 8th, 9th, 10th), and upper/lower designations where appropriate.

So, no longer will you have a finger sprain. You will have a sprain of the right ring finger. You won't have a bruised toe. You will have a bruise of the left index toe. You won't have a broken rib. You will have a broken 9th rib. You won't have back stiffness. You will have lower back stiffness. You won't have a sore knee, you will have a sore left knee.

This basically more than doubled the size of the injury file, so there will be plenty of differing injuries from the original. I also added a few more injuries that were not included in the original such as intercostal strain, broken (various) toes, torn tendon sheath in right/left wrist and a few others I can't remember. There are more I want to add, but I thought since so much got done with the file today I would release what I had. I know I had said I wanted to finish adjusting injury times first before doing anything else, but I after getting almost 60% thru the file, I decided to work on something else due to well, boredom of doing the same thing over and over to be quite honest

. Over the next few days I will be adding more injuries and finishing updating the injury lengths.

Let me know if there are any descriptors that sound funny to you, as there are some that could have been stated a few different ways. If enough people disagree, I will state it another way...

new file to download replaces the file on the first page

So is this a finished product or are you still working on it?

hmatthias · 06-18-2009, 09:18 AM

This file is great. Injury times seem much more realistic, with most in the 2-3 weeks range, as well as a few serious injuries. All in all a HUGE improvement. I still have a bunch of injuries, but since they are of the 2 week timeframe, are managable. I am still seeing new articles saying a player is hurt with a "2" though. If I go to the player page the injury description is there however. I can live with this, just thought you should know.

Cryomaniac · 06-18-2009, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hmatthias

This file is great. Injury times seem much more realistic, with most in the 2-3 weeks range, as well as a few serious injuries. All in all a HUGE improvement. I still have a bunch of injuries, but since they are of the 2 week timeframe, are managable. I am still seeing new articles saying a player is hurt with a "2" though. If I go to the player page the injury description is there however. I can live with this, just thought you should know.

That's a text problem, not an injury file problem.

Malleus Dei · 06-18-2009, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hmatthias

I am still seeing new articles saying a player is hurt with a "2" though.

At least it wasn't a "3" or a "4."

jdettbarn · 06-18-2009, 10:43 AM

Not sure if this helps, but Beyond the Box Score had a couple good posts on DL/injuries this month:

Dissecting the Disabled List by Team, Position, Year andInjury - Beyond the Box Score

Disabled List Database: Going Under the KnifeAgain - Beyond the Box Score

they took a look at data from 2002 to 2008.

hmatthias · 06-18-2009, 01:05 PM

Oh I has some 3s and 4s! Even a 5!!!

This happened when I imported the injury file, so it has to have something to do with this.

Cras · 06-18-2009, 01:33 PM

this is a great add on, great work, really adds a lot

satchel · 06-18-2009, 06:10 PM

I'm not clear on what time range your data is coming from. Which years? Major-league ball only? Are the proportion of injuries in your file equivalent to the proportion of real injury types experienced by major-league ballplayers? Injury Log has clearly delineated these things in his file.

I'm also confused as to whether you're using "normal people" injury durations, or "baseball players" injury durations: you refer to both alternatives

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matter2003

when I see the average recovery time suggested by doctors for normal people, the baseball players are sometimes shaving 2 weeks or more off the minimum recovery time... Then again, there are times that they need much longer to recover than a normal person...

but I don't understand which route you've chosen to follow, with the data in your injuries file. Is the purpose of your injuries file to imitate what happened in major-league baseball (over a given stretch of time), or is it to create a "real world" of possibilities?

Antonin · 06-18-2009, 06:52 PM

Some people in other threads have expressed concern over the number and severity of injuries in OOTPX.

But I'm confused about whether or not this new injury file is a viable replacement for the one currently included in the game. I appreciate the work that went into it, but I do know Satchel did some work on an injury file for OOTP9...

injury log · 06-18-2009, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

That's the main thing, IMO. That file is a huge mess.

The lines in the new file are in the sequence they are in so that the file can be compatible with earlier versions of OOTP. If you change that sequence, anyone converting an OOTP9 league will suddenly see completely different diagnoses in Player Profiles.

Matter2003 · 06-18-2009, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

So is this a finished product or are you still working on it?

I thought it was pretty clear from what I wrote that it is still being worked on. I'd say currently it's about 60% or so done...

Matter2003 · 06-18-2009, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hmatthias

This file is great. Injury times seem much more realistic, with most in the 2-3 weeks range, as well as a few serious injuries. All in all a HUGE improvement. I still have a bunch of injuries, but since they are of the 2 week timeframe, are managable. I am still seeing new articles saying a player is hurt with a "2" though. If I go to the player page the injury description is there however. I can live with this, just thought you should know.

hmm...I honestly haven't seen any of those yet. I am not sure exactly how it could be an issue with the file, as it is basically a .csv file as a .txt....

PhillieFever · 06-18-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003

hmm...I honestly haven't seen any of those yet. I am not sure exactly how it could be an issue with the file, as it is basically a .csv file as a .txt....

Here's the problem with that.If you click the re-import injury file button,then you'll get the problems with the numbers showing up in the news text.If you just swap out the file without clicking the button,the file will still be imported and you won't get the number issue.Markus has been notified of this situation.

Matter2003 · 06-18-2009, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satchel

but I don't understand which route you've chosen to follow, with the data in your injuries file. Is the purpose of your injuries file to imitate what happened in major-league baseball (over a given stretch of time), or is it to create a "real world" of possibilities?

In virtually all cases I have found baseball players having injury durations shorter and longer than the suggested time stated either by doctors or in the articles regarding them being injured(most times the articles state about how long the player is expected to be out). I am using modern day recovery times. Half of those injuries requiring complicated surgery(UCL, MCL, ACL, etc)would have been career ending injuries back in the day...

The purpose is to research the injuries listed and find a variety of players that have had the injury, and look at the lengths of time they have been out so there is a more complete profile of the injury. As I said previously, some of the injury min/max times were just ridiculous. Not every baseball player who has forearm inflammation is going to be out 119-120 days with no other option.

Matter2003 · 06-18-2009, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillieFever

Here's the problem with that.If you click the re-import injury file button,then you'll get the problems with the numbers showing up in the news text.If you just swap out the file without clicking the button,the file will still be imported and you won't get the number issue.Markus has been notified of this situation.

Hmm...I have re-imported the file and have not seen the issue...

PhillieFever · 06-18-2009, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matter2003

Hmm...I have re-imported the file and have not seen the issue...

Ah,BOO! I thought I figured it out but I guess not.I also had the number thing happen to me too,but I switched the file,didn't re-import and then it worked fine.Hopefully this dosen't become a major issue.

06-18-2009, 01:15 AM	#41
Matter2003 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: In the vicinity of Buffalo,NY Posts: 1,634	OK, this is a major update to the file which I have ben working on virtually all day... this update corrects almost 65% of the injuries, adds quite a few more descriptive injuries and also adds right/left, finger name(ring, index, middle, little), toe name(big, index, middle, fourth, little), rib name(7th, 8th, 9th, 10th), and upper/lower designations where appropriate. So, no longer will you have a finger sprain. You will have a sprain of the right ring finger. You won't have a bruised toe. You will have a bruise of the left index toe. You won't have a broken rib. You will have a broken 9th rib. You won't have back stiffness. You will have lower back stiffness. You won't have a sore knee, you will have a sore left knee. This basically more than doubled the size of the injury file, so there will be plenty of differing injuries from the original. I also added a few more injuries that were not included in the original such as intercostal strain, broken (various) toes, torn tendon sheath in right/left wrist and a few others I can't remember. There are more I want to add, but I thought since so much got done with the file today I would release what I had. I know I had said I wanted to finish adjusting injury times first before doing anything else, but I after getting almost 60% thru the file, I decided to work on something else due to well, boredom of doing the same thing over and over to be quite honest . Over the next few days I will be adding more injuries and finishing updating the injury lengths. Let me know if there are any descriptors that sound funny to you, as there are some that could have been stated a few different ways. If enough people disagree, I will state it another way... new file to download replaces the file on the first page __________________ Goal Line Stand Football---An Open Source Project Check us out on the Git Hub Pages: Goal-Line-Stand-Football

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jdettbarn All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 635	Not sure if this helps, but Beyond the Box Score had a couple good posts on DL/injuries this month: Dissecting the Disabled List by Team, Position, Year andInjury - Beyond the Box Score Disabled List Database: Going Under the KnifeAgain - Beyond the Box Score they took a look at data from 2002 to 2008. __________________ NPBL Idaho Spuds GM Former Federal Baseball League and JOBL Commish (2002 - 2011)

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06-18-2009, 06:52 PM	#53
Antonin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,553	Some people in other threads have expressed concern over the number and severity of injuries in OOTPX. But I'm confused about whether or not this new injury file is a viable replacement for the one currently included in the game. I appreciate the work that went into it, but I do know Satchel did some work on an injury file for OOTP9... __________________ "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" - Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols), San Francisco, 14 January 1978

06-18-2009, 08:02 AM	#42
rjv3 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 45	Awesome job so far.

06-18-2009, 08:49 AM	#43
Dolphinfan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 110	I also must say thank you for all your time and effort you have put into this.

06-18-2009, 09:18 AM	#46
hmatthias Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 82	This file is great. Injury times seem much more realistic, with most in the 2-3 weeks range, as well as a few serious injuries. All in all a HUGE improvement. I still have a bunch of injuries, but since they are of the 2 week timeframe, are managable. I am still seeing new articles saying a player is hurt with a "2" though. If I go to the player page the injury description is there however. I can live with this, just thought you should know.

06-18-2009, 01:05 PM	#50
hmatthias Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 82	Oh I has some 3s and 4s! Even a 5!!! This happened when I imported the injury file, so it has to have something to do with this.