Injuries are just fine

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by bwd

Question: Do pitchers who suffer major (but not career ending) injury every lose velocity when they come back? Obviously it's very common to have those "they were never quite the same after..." type guys IRL.

quite often actually Francisco Liriano is a great current example

[OldFatGuy]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

So doing the math on this Im just going to use 200 days for the baseball season. 200*7=1400 total days(7 years) 10500/1400=Cincy has averaged 7.5 players on the DL every day for 7 years, Houston 1.43..League average seems like it would be around 4.0-4.5

Well, trips to DL and Days Lost aren't perfectly related, but the link does show trips to DL over the period as well. It obviously varies, but it appears that the overall average, over the seven year span, is about 15 trips to the DL per team per year. And as I said in that earlier post, I've never even once had 15 trips to the DL in one year any OOTP game I've ever played. And, as I also said earlier, baseball is brutal, so if you want realism, you want brutal.

[injury log]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

3. It would be a great addition down the road if instead of being told right away its a career ending injury to have some sort of 6 month injury then be told there were more complications and this players needs another surgery so on a so forth. If it were done this way the move wouldnt seem as devastating as you had already played 6 months with out him and had sort of moved on without knowing it.

That's actually in the game now, though perhaps the 'instant' CEI still happens too often. Some injury setbacks in OOTP-X are, in fact, career ending, and you'll get the exact situation you describe above.

Originally Posted by bwd

Question: Do pitchers who suffer major (but not career ending) injury every lose velocity when they come back? Obviously it's very common to have those "they were never quite the same after..." type guys IRL.

Yes, that happens very often in OOTP. In OOTP9, even short term injuries often had that effect. In the new version, short term injuries are very unlikely to lead to talent loss, but long term injuries can still hurt a player.

[bwd]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

quite often actually Francisco Liriano is a great current example

I meant does that happen in the game. (And yes I know about Liriano he is currently killing my fantasy team! )

edit: thanks injury log

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Well, trips to DL and Days Lost aren't perfectly related, but the link does show trips to DL over the period as well. It obviously varies, but it appears that the overall average, over the seven year span, is about 15 trips to the DL per team per year. And as I said in that earlies post, I've never even once had 15 trips to the DL in one year any OOTP game I've ever played.

This is great stuff you have! Do you have anything on games lost due to injuries non DL related. I think this is the really tricky part.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by bwd

I meant does that happen in the game. (And yes I know about Liriano he is currently killing my fantasy team! )

edit: thanks injury log

Oh I understand. It was in place last year havent played this years enough to know for certain but I cant see why it wouldnt still be there.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by injury log

That's actually in the game now, though perhaps the 'instant' CEI still happens too often. Some injury setbacks in OOTP-X are, in fact, career ending, and you'll get the exact situation you describe above.

Thanks I wasnt even aware of this. I think this should happen 95 percent of the time. I cant think of too many injuries in which you would instantly know it is a career ender unless a guys arm falls off or if he is 40 and retirement is imminent.

[OldFatGuy]

Originally Posted by injury log

That's actually in the game now, though perhaps the 'instant' CEI still happens too often. Some injury setbacks in OOTP-X are, in fact, career ending, and you'll get the exact situation you describe above.



Yes, that happens very often in OOTP. In OOTP9, even short term injuries often had that effect. In the new version, short term injuries are very unlikely to lead to talent loss, but long term injuries can still hurt a player.

One issue (of many) that needs to be addressed to is that currently when a player suffers a CEI (immediate) you aren't charged with the rest of his contract. You release him "free" the day after his CEI and presto, no hit to finances. Thus if you change it to a lingering type thing, then you're charged with more of his salary. Of course, to be realistic, you would be charged with his entire salary after a CEI, although IRL it would be spread out over the years of the contract rather than all up front.

Also, changes to the frequency of pitcher's getting hurt without changes to how many quality pitcher's are generated and available will result in a "skew" of light pitcher talent, wouldn't it??

Sorry, just would hate to see some of these issues getting implemented without recognizing the full impact of them.

[jar2574]

OldFatGuy -- thanks for those charts. Good stuff.

[jar2574]

The team doctor is probably a lot more important in OOTP 10 than OOTP 9. I'm gonna spend some cash to get a good one.

[jbergey22]

Wow I wonder if some of the people complaining about injuries have looked at this

MLB Injuries - CBSSports.com

23 out for the seasons just on that list. This is not including the expected set backs

[injury log]

OFG - OOTP has ways to control over talent level, regardless of injury settings, so as far as I know, that's all been taken into account.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

3. It would be a great addition down the road if instead of being told right away its a career ending injury to have some sort of 6 month injury then be told there were more complications and this players needs another surgery so on a so forth. If it were done this way the move wouldnt seem as devastating as you had already played 6 months with out him and had sort of moved on without knowing it.

This is kind of what I was alluding to in the 'Long Term Injuries' thread with the addition of the setback system. Either use the setbacks to lead from a serious injury to a career-ending injury, or use the setbacks as window dressing. If the game already knows that the player is done, that's fine, but keep the user immersion high by using the setbacks to disguise that situation. You'd have to hard-code that so you don't wind up accidentally skewing the results of 'true' setbacks, though, I'd imagine.

[slegrow]

I am 3 months into my first season and I have had as many as 7 of my starters (pitcher and fielders) on the DL at one time. I bring someone up from AAA to fill in for injured players and they get injured too.

Injuries are set to low in the preferences. I see this as being an excessive amount of injuries unless you are playing all your games in Baghdad.

[actionjackson]

Anyone know how to completely disable CEI, without getting rid of other injuries? I am already playing with "retire according to history" on and I feel having the possibility of CEI in my historical game would kind of bring about an unnecessary overkill, double whammy etc CEI situation. I mean Clemente, Lidle, J.R. Richard and others will disappear from the game when they're supposed to and I want the other guys to "survive" through their actual retirement year. I want all the other types of DL injuries, just not CEI. Thanks a million for your responses. Cheers.

[injury log]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Anyone know how to completely disable CEI, without getting rid of other injuries? I am already playing with "retire according to history" on and I feel having the possibility of CEI in my historical game would kind of bring about an unnecessary overkill, double whammy etc CEI situation. I mean Clemente, Lidle, J.R. Richard and others will disappear from the game when they're supposed to and I want the other guys to "survive" through their actual retirement year. I want all the other types of DL injuries, just not CEI. Thanks a million for your responses. Cheers.

-locate the file called injuries.txt
-save a backup copy of the file in case of an issue. Rename the backup to 'injuries copy.txt' or whatever else you like
-open injuries.txt in any simple text editor
-in each line, the fourth number is the 'Career Ending boolean'
-if you change, in each line, that number to '0', you will turn off CEIs completely
-save your changes to injuries.txt
-reload your game (no need to quit OOTP, but you need to reload your league) and you should be ready to go.

So, for example, the following line is found in injuries.txt:

120,450,0,1,1,0,0,0,0,1,torn rotator cuff,a torn rotator cuff,3

If you change the fourth number from '1' to '0' and leave the rest alone, you should have:

120,450,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,1,torn rotator cuff,a torn rotator cuff,3

Once you've done that, a torn rotator cuff will never be career ending.

There aren't all that many injuries in the file which have the potential to be career ending, so it shouldn't take too long to adjust your file in this way.

[TwoThirtyTwo]

Originally Posted by slegrow

I am 3 months into my first season and I have had as many as 7 of my starters (pitcher and fielders) on the DL at one time. I bring someone up from AAA to fill in for injured players and they get injured too.

I'm getting to the point that it's feeling excessive.

I had 5 OFers on the DL at the same time, all three starters, the original backup, and a called up replacement. I've had 2/3rds of my starting lineup and 3/5ths of my starting rotation out with injuries all at the same time. I even piled up depth after my 1st season resulted in 22 trips to the DL, 3 season enders, and atleast 15 injuries that didn't send the player to the DL. It didn't help, because I've already experienced even more severe injuries.

[actionjackson]

injury log: Thankyou. I figured it out in the interim and fortunately did not continue changing the 1s to 0s before backing it up. I'd only done two, so I reset them to 1 and got the heck out of there.

Trivia time: injury log mentioned there aren't many CEI in the injuries file. How many are there? Can you name them? I guess this is a pattern interrupt to get you to avoid breaking your computer/monitor the next time one of your guys gets a CEI. From the sounds of some of you, this should be a snap.

TwoThirtyTwo: 22 trips to the DL in a year might seem excessive, but remember from OFG's earlier post, the average per year per team is 15 trips (I think that's a modern figure but OFG will have to confirm that). It's probably an outlier, but remember that would probably make a team with 8 trips just as much of an outlier. You can dial it down in-game and you can muck around with the injuries.txt file if you wish. Just remember to back up the injuries file before you start messing with it.

[TwoThirtyTwo]

That 1st season didn't bother me too much, because sure, there's going to be a bad season. It's this 2nd season that's really getting me, 9 trips to the DL already by the start of June, 7 injuries that didn't result in a trip to the DL, a season ender to my #2 starter, a 4 month injury to my LF. Throwing that on top of an already slumping offense and pitching staff currently with a #1, 3 #5s, and a minor leaguer forced to make starts with his 8.55 ERA through 6 starts.

But then I can look through the other teams and the Marlins hadn't had a single injury longer than 1 week, with fewer players injured over the 1st 2 months than I have sitting on the DL currently.

[kckid4u]

Yea! I'm a week into my solo league and already have 11 guys in my org on the DL for multiple months! 7 DAY into the season. YES!

Have my injury setup on the "normal" setting.