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[d. tetree]

Originally Posted by POKeefe

Small bit, but Michael Inoa in the A's farm system has his name spelt Ynoa now.

Looking at his wiki page, Ynoa is the actual way his name is spelled. He is Michel Ynoa, but goes by the anglicized Michael.

[SteveP]

Originally Posted by NomarHits400

Maybe I am mis-understanding you?

Don't know. If you start a new league with minors, the minor leagues will get the same League Totals as the major league. All leagues will also start with 1.000 for each LTM. League totals never change. The LTM adjustment process is based on results from the previous season at the major league level, but the same LTMs end up being entered into the respective slots in each of the minor leagues. That is basically the way the game works on its own. A lot of people don't like that, but regardless the way it is in the released version of the 2009 MLB game is a mistake that someone didn't catch (it's still using league totals that match the real life 2005 league stats, for example).

I believe that some people go to the trouble of manually entering tailored league totals for the minors, and it is also possible to do some manually adjusted LTMs for the minors as well. But it's a lot of work and I don't think very many gamers would know exactly how to pull that off.

[POKeefe]

Originally Posted by d. tetree

Looking at his wiki page, Ynoa is the actual way his name is spelled. He is Michel Ynoa, but goes by the anglicized Michael.

That's what I meant. Game has it as Inoa. His name should be Ynoa.

[injury log]

As I hope everyone can appreciate, the changes to the pitching model required a whole extra step in rating pitchers - giving their pitches ratings. Of course, since the game is being constantly adjusted throughout the beta period, any change to the pitching model could throw off a guy's expected role, and there are going to be a few guys whose role is off. That will definitely be fixed soon, but if anyone wants to fix their set themselves, to make a guy a starter, you just need to go into the Editor, make a note of the guy's Stuff, then raise the level of his worst pitch until his 'role' changes to 'Starter', and then lower the rating of one of his better pitches until his Stuff gets back to its original value.

Finally, I think there's a little quirk in how the game calculates the POT rating for a small number pitchers, which is no doubt why people are seeing 5-star ratings for some guys who aren't all that good. Rather than comment on the star ratings, it's more useful to know when one of the component ratings (Stuff/Movement/Control) doesn't jive with a guy's real life performance, since it's those ratings which determine game outcomes.

[POKeefe]

Originally Posted by injury log

As I hope everyone can appreciate, the changes to the pitching model required a whole extra step in rating pitchers - giving their pitches ratings. Of course, since the game is being constantly adjusted throughout the beta period, any change to the pitching model could throw off a guy's expected role, and there are going to be a few guys whose role is off. That will definitely be fixed soon, but if anyone wants to fix their set themselves, to make a guy a starter, you just need to go into the Editor, make a note of the guy's Stuff, then raise the level of his worst pitch until his 'role' changes to 'Starter', and then lower the rating of one of his better pitches until his Stuff gets back to its original value.

Finally, I think there's a little quirk in how the game calculates the POT rating for a small number pitchers, which is no doubt why people are seeing 5-star ratings for some guys who aren't all that good. Rather than comment on the star ratings, it's more useful to know when one of the component ratings (Stuff/Movement/Control) doesn't jive with a guy's real life performance, since it's those ratings which determine game outcomes.

Okay, this makes sense. Thanks for the response. I guess I'll go through all 30 teams and make a custom roster set.

[kckid4u]

Not sure if this is a bug or supposed to be this way, (I doubt it) but when you start the major league game that came with the game, and then go to the main "Major League History Index" page then click on the "AL" link on the far left to view the AL info for any given year, starting in 1903 on, it either lists two Baltimore Orioles teams with one having zeros in the team standings, or it just lists one Baltimore team, but has all zeros under standings.

I hope this is clear, check it out, you'll see what I mean.

[CubbyFan23]

Originally Posted by SteveP

Something else that fell thru the cracks:

The league totals and LTMs for the Major league have been appropriately modified (the league totals using 2008 real life league stats, and though I don't know exactly how the LTMs were derived, they look reasonable), however, these modifications were not carried over to the minor leagues. The minors should all have the same league totals and LTMs as the major league. Otherwise minor league stats will be screwed up (or should I say more screwed up that usual? )

Actually I believe that's the way it should be set up. Minor league totals are set up to be different than the major league totals on purpose (I believe) to achieve realistic stat output.

Markus (I'm pretty sure) was the one who did this, so I think that's the way its supposed to be done.

Also the new pitching model kind of screwed us on the roster team up -- we tried to catch as many of those guys as possible, but some fell through the cracks so if you see any, let us know. Dukes and Werth will probably stay pretty highly rated however, although Dukes might need a slight bump down.

[SteveP]

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Actually I believe that's the way it should be set up. Minor league totals are set up to be different than the major league totals on purpose (I believe) to achieve realistic stat output.

Markus (I'm pretty sure) was the one who did this, so I think that's the way its supposed to be done.

I'm betting not. The minor league totals are the old 2005 major league stats. Someone didn't get around to changing them at the same time they changed the ones for the major league. I actually think this is a nontrivial problem, but I've done my duty on this one, so on to other windmills to tilt at ...

[cody8200]

Originally Posted by POKeefe

Okay, this makes sense. Thanks for the response. I guess I'll go through all 30 teams and make a custom roster set.

You can do this PO but I am pretty sure that the rosters will continue to be updated. Cubby is one of the main guys behind them. I'm sure he'll know.

[udbacker58]

Originally Posted by POKeefe

Okay, this makes sense. Thanks for the response. I guess I'll go through all 30 teams and make a custom roster set.

I hope you do. Then when beta rolls around for 11, you'll have a good knowledge of the system and be able to help make those rosters even better than these are! Can never have too many on the beta team

[John C]

Originally Posted by udbacker58

I hope you do. Then when beta rolls around for 11, you'll have a good knowledge of the system and be able to help make those rosters even better than these are! Can never have too many on the beta team

This is very true. A lot of guys put together that roster set. If someone can do the work of all of them put together, that will help us in other areas. Good luck sir!

[cody8200]

UD also played a huge role on the roster team

[Joaker]

Rays Notes - I'm sorry for any subjectivity here. I'll do my best to make a valid case.

Matt Garza - Seems underdeveloped. The editor shows him in line for a 4.00 ERA. In 2007 his ERA was 3.69 as a rookie. In 2008 it was 3.70. Right now in 2008 it is 3.67. That seems like a pretty stable skill set. The problem seems to be in his Stuff. His best pitch is a 92 mph 2-seam fastball that moves down and in. His 4 seamer is regular at 94/95 and touches 96.

Kazmir - seems overdeveloped. His editor's 3.11 ERA is much better than his career high. In recent years his slider has become much less of a factor and his fastball seems overrated as well.

David Price - The pitch ratings are a bit off. Right now's he's getting credit for one of the best changeups in the league (that rating is more befitting Shields). Price was actually in AAA working on his change-up. It is league average at best at this point. On the other hand, his fastball is dominant he can hit 98 regularly but gets wild at that pace. He throws it with more control at 95,96.

Shields - May be nitpicking, but the expected 3.88 ERA for Shields seems high. He's shown a growth trend over the last 3 years that makes a 3.65 seem more reasonable. In addition, his fastball is underrated here, along with his change which is one of the best in the league. His velocity sits comfortably at 91-92 IRL

Balfour - His slider is better than he thinks, but it's not THAT good.. He's basically a 1 pitch pitcher.

Carlos Pena - Won a gold glove last year and has been one of the best defensive 1bmen in the league for a few years. the 6 rating at First is low

Willy Aybar - Defensive ratings are ridiculously good. He's not a better 1st baseman than Pena and he's not better than Longoria at 3rd, but these ratings say he is.

Longoria - Nitpicking, but that 7 defensive rating is low. He's constantly getting praised as one of the best defensive 3b in the league and has been compared to Schmidt and Brooks Robinson. Specifically the rating of turning the double play is low, along with range. Remember, he played SS in college and was expected to play 2b when drafted.

Gabe Gross - A little too good defensively. His .271 expected BA is high in comparison with his career #'s. Just seems a shade too good of a player.

Gabe Kapler - he's nowhere near this good and his component skills from last year showed that it was flukey.

Carl Crawford - numbers seem too depressed based on last years performance. He's shown that he's a consistent .300 hitter when healthy. His .770 OPS is low compared to history, particularly easy to spot the missing triples in the editor #'s.

...That's all I have for now, I'm not going to bother with the minor leaguers, even though Hellickson is a better prospect than that, as is desmond Jennings

[Joaker]

Carlos Pena is currently in the 2nd year of a 3 year, 24 mil contract at 8mil per year. The game has him at 5 years with some pricey back end dollars

[CubbyFan23]

Originally Posted by Joaker

Carlos Pena is currently in the 2nd year of a 3 year, 24 mil contract at 8mil per year. The game has him at 5 years with some pricey back end dollars

Please everyone, keep an eye open for this type of thing above all. For some reason, when we imported the financial info (salaries, etc.) it threw some $$ on the back end of some of the stars' deals. I tried to catch all of them but there are (obviously) a few I missed, if anyone else sees anything fishy like this, please let us know. Usually the $$ will look like a computer generated amount (ie. $12,358,425) or something like that.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by Joaker

Rays Notes - I'm sorry for any subjectivity here. I'll do my best to make a valid case.

Matt Garza - Seems underdeveloped. The editor shows him in line for a 4.00 ERA. In 2007 his ERA was 3.69 as a rookie. In 2008 it was 3.70. Right now in 2008 it is 3.67. That seems like a pretty stable skill set. The problem seems to be in his Stuff. His best pitch is a 92 mph 2-seam fastball that moves down and in. His 4 seamer is regular at 94/95 and touches 96.

Matt Garza

Garza's projections from the preseason are from 3.84 to 3.94. A 4.00 ERA in a neutral environment is OK.

Originally Posted by Joaker

Kazmir - seems overdeveloped. His editor's 3.11 ERA is much better than his career high. In recent years his slider has become much less of a factor and his fastball seems overrated as well.

Scott Kazmir

Here you may be onto something. He projects from 3.40 to 3.78 ERA (sorry, I do not have BP's PECOTA stuff in front of me, or I'd quote that, too). Note that Tropicana Field has a slight favor to hitters, so Kazmir should go up a little bit from that 3.11.

Originally Posted by Joaker

David Price - The pitch ratings are a bit off. Right now's he's getting credit for one of the best changeups in the league (that rating is more befitting Shields). Price was actually in AAA working on his change-up. It is league average at best at this point. On the other hand, his fastball is dominant he can hit 98 regularly but gets wild at that pace. He throws it with more control at 95,96.

That's a good criticism.

Originally Posted by Joaker

Shields - May be nitpicking, but the expected 3.88 ERA for Shields seems high. He's shown a growth trend over the last 3 years that makes a 3.65 seem more reasonable. In addition, his fastball is underrated here, along with his change which is one of the best in the league. His velocity sits comfortably at 91-92 IRL

James Shields

Shields projects 3.61 to 3.81. I wonder what PECOTA says. He may need a slight tweak, or none at all.

Originally Posted by Joaker

Carlos Pena - Won a gold glove last year and has been one of the best defensive 1bmen in the league for a few years. the 6 rating at First is low

The Fielding Bible Awards from last season have Pena in 4th place overall, behind Pujols, Teixiera, and Kotchman. He was 5th in +/- at 1B last season, and 8th overall in +/- over the last three seasons.

I can see a good arguement to increase his skill defensively.

Originally Posted by Joaker

Willy Aybar - Defensive ratings are ridiculously good. He's not a better 1st baseman than Pena and he's not better than Longoria at 3rd, but these ratings say he is.

It's hard to compare Aybar to these guys if both Pena and Longoria are rated too low. Nichevo.

Originally Posted by Joaker

Longoria - Nitpicking, but that 7 defensive rating is low. He's constantly getting praised as one of the best defensive 3b in the league and has been compared to Schmidt and Brooks Robinson. Specifically the rating of turning the double play is low, along with range. Remember, he played SS in college and was expected to play 2b when drafted.

If a player has too high of a turn double play, then the AI dreams of playing them at SS or 2B. That aside, Longoria should be the best or second best defensive 3B in the game. There's room for improvement there.

Originally Posted by Joaker

Gabe Gross - A little too good defensively. His .271 expected BA is high in comparison with his career #'s. Just seems a shade too good of a player.

Gabe Gross

Gross projected at .245 to .262. He is a little too good.

Originally Posted by Joaker

Gabe Kapler - he's nowhere near this good and his component skills from last year showed that it was flukey.

Gabe Kapler

Kapler should be a useful part-time player. He's probably off by 20 points.

Originally Posted by Joaker

Carl Crawford - numbers seem too depressed based on last years performance. He's shown that he's a consistent .300 hitter when healthy. His .770 OPS is low compared to history, particularly easy to spot the missing triples in the editor #'s.

Carl Crawford

Marcel has Crawford's OPS at .772, and ZiPS at .769. Seems OK.

Originally Posted by Joaker

...That's all I have for now, I'm not going to bother with the minor leaguers, even though Hellickson is a better prospect than that, as is Desmond Jennings

We could use more of this type of constructive criticism.

[CubbyFan23]

Agree with most of those Rays comments: few thoughts (not nitpicking either, just like to give everyone insight into why I do what I do for some guys)

Based on UZR:
- Pena's a below average first baseman
- Aybar is a much better 1B than Pena, and a pretty outstanding 2B. Both fairly small sample sizes. League average 3B.

- Shields average FB velocity has sat right at 90 the last four years, although I suppose it doesn't really matter if its 89-90 or 90-92 since neither will achieve that average velocity.
- Garza's velocity has fallen from 94 his rookie year to 92.7 this year.

Agree on all other points though. Echoing Raidergoo's comments on the turn DP rating -- have to keep that low (thanks injurylog ) to keep the computer from making unrealistic switches of outstanding defensive 3Bs to 2B/SS, especially in cases that probably wouldn't happen IRL (Rolen, Longoria, ARod back to SS, etc.)

Please continue any criticism. I could sit here all day and talk this stuff with you guys.

Also (this doesn't have to do with your post) but keep in mind we're talking league average environments here for ratings -- so a pitcher who gives up 30 HR in Coors will have a better HR rating most likely than one who does that in Florida.

[mgom27]

I would use World Baseball League Beta because it has up to date Rosters in it just that not Injured List or like Peavy,Oswalt and so on on the Trading Block.
This one is only good for Fantasy Draft for me.

[CubbyFan23]

Originally Posted by mgom27

There's lost of mistakes like Jake Peavy,Oswalt and so on not on the Trading Block,Putz Seven Inning Guy know,this years Draft Class in the up and coming Draft in the Game,Injured List and Rosters as 5-3-09,others Leagues with it but it can't be perfect as we want it to be.

We can't fix trading blocks. Also its the Opening Day roster. It will never be as of 5-3 (or 6-3). I think this is pretty silly nitpicking considering there's much more important things to fix.

[Joaker]

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Agree with most of those Rays comments: few thoughts (not nitpicking either, just like to give everyone insight into why I do what I do for some guys)

Based on UZR:
- Pena's a below average first baseman
- Aybar is a much better 1B than Pena, and a pretty outstanding 2B. Both fairly small sample sizes. League average 3B.

- Shields average FB velocity has sat right at 90 the last four years, although I suppose it doesn't really matter if its 89-90 or 90-92 since neither will achieve that average velocity.
- Garza's velocity has fallen from 94 his rookie year to 92.7 this year.

Agree on all other points though. Echoing Raidergoo's comments on the turn DP rating -- have to keep that low (thanks injurylog ) to keep the computer from making unrealistic switches of outstanding defensive 3Bs to 2B/SS, especially in cases that probably wouldn't happen IRL (Rolen, Longoria, ARod back to SS, etc.)

Please continue any criticism. I could sit here all day and talk this stuff with you guys.

Also (this doesn't have to do with your post) but keep in mind we're talking league average environments here for ratings -- so a pitcher who gives up 30 HR in Coors will have a better HR rating most likely than one who does that in Florida.

Quick follow up on Garza. I'm not sure where that 92.7 is coming from, but I'm wagering that it's a combo number. He throws his 2 seam FB more than any other pitch, which is a 92mph pitch most nights. Like I mentioned earlier, his 4 seamer is 94 on a bad day, consistant 95 game after game.

As far as I can tell though, we aren't taking 2 seamers as an individual pitch here, which is a bit surprising.