First impressions!

[Kane182]

Originally Posted by Ghetto Anthony

Yep.

*goes back to game*

Damn, Jose Guillen down for 5 weeks.

Turn the injury frequency down.

[bosunmate]

Originally Posted by Kane182

Turn the injury frequency down.

I thought they were set too high also until I saw the cody8200 list. So I will leave my setting on modern setting. I like the fact that some player's have setbacks in their recovery. Nice touch I can see rehab assignments around the corner.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Andreas Raht

That's the plan.
There are several different sizes which are used in the reports. OOTP creates them automatically when you load the league. They are in the /news/html/images folder. You can overwrite them with your own logos, this way you can have different logos for each size.

I proposed something very similar a few years back. As a result, I'm going to take credit for inspiring this plan. So there!

[vuroth]

Originally Posted by cody8200

You can change injury frequency if you would like but the amount of injuries is very very close to real life. Check out the Cubs in real life. We have had Aramis Ramirez, Rich Harden and Zambrano on the DL at the same time. I think thats about 35 million right there. Bradley was either on it or close as well.

Or you could look at the Jays, who've gotten 9 IP out of their 2, 3 and 4 pitchers, combined, this season.

[Kane182]

Originally Posted by bosunmate

I thought they were set too high also until I saw the cody8200 list. So I will leave my setting on modern setting. I like the fact that some player's have setbacks in their recovery. Nice touch I can see rehab assignments around the corner.

That's cool. I was referring to the guy who was having some issues.

[Hador]

My first impression after importing my old OOTP9 league:

The injury frequency is totally off the charts.

The in-game date for the imported league was July 31st and I simmed pretty quickly to October. On importing the game I had two guys with season ending injuries on the DL. After simming through roughly 2 and a half months my disabled list looks like this:



5 of these guys were starting players, one a prime reliever and the rest backups.
The funny thing is I'm still winning games as the AI teams aren't doing any better.

I know the sample size is way too small to say whether this is just a freak year or not, but I haven't seen anything like this in 5+ years of playing OOTP....

[cody8200]

Originally Posted by Hador

My first impression after importing my old OOTP9 league:

The injury frequency is totally off the charts.

The in-game date for the imported league was July 31st and I simmed pretty quickly to October. On importing the game I had one guy on the disabled list with a 3 week injury. After simming through roughly 2 and a half months my disabled list looks like this:



5 of these guys were starting players, one a prime reliever and the rest backups.
The funny thing is I'm still winning games as the AI teams aren't doing any better.

I know the sample size is way too small to say whether this is just a freak year or not, but I haven't seen anything like this in 5+ years of playing OOTP.....

Mets real life DL. Certainly version 9 had less injuries so you might want to tone them down a bit on your import.

Ramon E. Martinez 2B
Angel Pagan LF
John Maine SP 11
Carlos Beltran CF
Ryan Church RF
Jose B. Reyes SS
Carlos Delgado 1B
Oliver Perez SP 5
Billy Wagner RP

[Ghetto Anthony]

I actually just changed my injury frequency to high and I seem to be getting less injuries than I did at Normal.

Hmmmm...

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Hador

My first impression after importing my old OOTP9 league:

The injury frequency is totally off the charts.

Cue Raidergoo to post the current complete list of major league players on the Disabled List...

[cody8200]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Cue Raidergoo to post the current complete list of major league players on the Disabled List...

I beat Raider to it

[Raidergoo]

A current snapshot of MLB injuries...

Arizona Diamondbacks
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
06/01/09 Chad A. Tracy 1B Oblique 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/31/09 Tom Gordon RP Hamstring 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/31/09 Conor Jackson LF Illness 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/29/09 Scott Schoeneweis RP Bereavement Out until at least late June
05/24/09 Tony Clark 1B Wrist 15-day DL. Out until at least early June
05/10/09 Yusmeiro Petit SP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/03/09 Chad Qualls RP Forearm Questionable for June 3 at L.A. Dodgers
05/26/09 Brandon Webb SP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June

Atlanta Braves
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/24/09 Jo-Jo Reyes SP Hamstring 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/02/09 Tom Glavine SP Shoulder 15-day DL. Might return for June 7 start vs. Milwaukee
06/01/09 Casey Kotchman 1B Shin Might be out until June 5-7 series vs. Milwaukee
05/27/09 Buddy Carlyle RP Back 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/21/09 Omar Infante LF Hand 15-day DL. Out until at least early July
02/26/09 Tim Hudson SP Elbow 60-day DL. Out until at least early August

Baltimore Orioles
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
06/01/09 Dennis Sarfate RP Finger 15-day DL. Out until at least late July
05/26/09 Lou Montanez LF Thumb 15-day DL. Out until at least early September
05/30/09 Koji Uehara SP Hamstring 15-day DL. Might return for June 10 start vs. Seattle
04/22/09 Alfredo Simon RP Elbow 15-day DL. Out for the season

Boston Red Sox
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
04/27/09 Jed Lowrie SS Wrist 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-July
06/03/09 Rocco Baldelli RF Knee Probable for June 3-4 at Detroit
06/02/09 John Smoltz SP Shoulder 15-day DL. Expected to make Triple-A rehab start June 5. Might return for June 16 vs. Florida
04/14/09 Miguel Gonzalez SP Elbow 60-day DL. Out for the season

Chicago Cubs
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/31/09 Carlos Zambrano SP Suspension 6-game suspension. Eligible to return for June 4 start at Atlanta
06/02/09 Milton Bradley RF Calf Questionable for June 3-4 at Atlanta
06/01/09 Ryan Dempster SP Blister Expected to return for June 6 start at Cincinnati
06/01/09 Ryan P. Freel 3B Hamstring 15-day DL. Eligible to return for June 12-14 series vs. Minnesota
06/03/09 Rich Harden SP Back 15-day DL. Might make rehab start June 6. Might return for July 11 start at Houston
05/10/09 Chad Fox RP Elbow 15-day DL. Might be out for the season
05/27/09 Aaron Miles 2B Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/11/09 Aramis Ramirez 3B Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least early July

Chicago White Sox
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/17/09 Jermaine Dye RF Suspension 2-game suspension. Playing amid appeal
06/03/09 Chris Getz 2B Ankle Questionable for June 3-4 vs. Oakland
05/29/09 Carlos Quentin LF Foot 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June

Cincinnati Reds
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
06/02/09 Jerry Hairston SS Illness Might return June 3 at St. Louis
06/02/09 Edinson Volquez SP Hand 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/31/09 Edwin Encarnacion 3B Wrist 15-day DL. Out until at least late June
05/31/09 Joey Votto 1B Personal 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June

Cleveland Indians
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/24/09 Scott Lewis SP Elbow 60-day DL. Out until at least late June
06/01/09 Rafael Betancourt RP Groin 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/02/09 Asdrubal Cabrera 2B Shoulder Questionable for June 3-4 at Minnesota
06/03/09 Travis Hafner DH Shoulder 15-day DL. On Triple-A rehab assignment. Might return June 5 at Chicago White Sox
06/02/09 Jake Westbrook SP Elbow, hip 60-day DL. Expected to begin Double-A rehab assignment June 5
05/25/09 Aaron Laffey SP Side 15-day DL. Out until at least late June
05/28/09 Anthony Reyes RP Elbow 60-day DL. Might be out for the season
05/31/09 Grady Sizemore CF Elbow 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/30/09 Joe Smith RP Shoulder 15-day DL. On Triple-A rehab assignment

Colorado Rockies
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
06/02/09 Chris Iannetta C Hamstring 15-day DL. On Triple-A rehab assignment. Might return for June 9 at MIlwaukee
05/27/09 Ryan Speier RP Hamstring 15-day DL. On Triple-A rehab assignment
05/24/09 Jeff Baker 2B Wrist 60-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/01/09 Matt Daley RP Ankle 15-day DL. On Triple-A rehab assignment
06/02/09 Yorvit Torrealba C Personal Out until at least June 5-8 series at St. Louis
06/03/09 Troy Tulowitzki SS Hand Questionable for June 3-4 at Houston
05/27/09 Taylor Buchholz RP Elbow 60-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/31/09 Franklin Morales SP Shoulder 15-day DL. On Triple-A rehab assignment
04/06/09 Jeff Francis SP Shoulder 60-day DL. Out for the season

Detroit Tigers
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/22/09 Jeremy Bonderman SP Shoulder 15-day DL. On Triple-A rehab assignment
05/27/09 Carlos Guillen LF Achilles', shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/25/09 Marcus Thames DH Ribcage 15-day DL. On Triple-A rehab assignment
05/05/09 Matt Treanor C Hip 60-day DL. Might be out for the season

Florida Marlins
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/21/09 Alfredo Amezaga CF Knee 15-day DL. Out until at least early June
05/30/09 Josh Johnson SP Stomach Probable for June 4 start vs. Milwaukee
05/25/09 Renyel Pinto RP Elbow 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/12/09 Scott Proctor RP Elbow 60-day DL. Out for the season
05/26/09 Rick VandenHurk SP Elbow 60-day DL. On Triple-A rehab assignment

Houston Astros
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
06/02/09 Geoff Geary RP Biceps 15-day DL. Might start rehab assignment June 6
06/03/09 Jose Valverde RP Calf 15-day DL. Might return for June 12-14 series at Arizona
05/08/09 Doug Brocail RP Hamstring 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/29/09 Kazuo Matsui 2B Hamstring 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
04/10/09 Aaron Boone 3B Heart 60-day DL. Out for the season

Kansas City Royals
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
04/27/09 Alex Gordon 3B Hip 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-July
06/02/09 Coco Crisp CF Bereavement, shoulder Out until at least June 5-7 series at Toronto
06/02/09 Sidney Ponson SP Elbow 15-day DL. Out until at least late June
05/24/09 Mike Aviles SS Forearm 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/31/09 John Buck C Back 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/24/09 Robinson Tejeda RP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/05/09 Doug Waechter RP Elbow 15-day DL. On Triple-A rehab assignment

Los Angeles Angels
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
06/02/09 Kelvim Escobar SP Shoulder 60-day DL. Expected to return for June 6 start at Detroit
05/24/09 Shane Loux SP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/20/09 Dustin Moseley SP Elbow 15-day DL. Out until at least late June
05/27/09 Scot Shields RP Knee 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June

Los Angeles Dodgers
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/19/09 Manny Ramirez LF Suspension 50-game suspension. Eligible to return for July 3-5 series at San Diego
06/02/09 Claudio Vargas SP Elbow 60-day DL. On Class A rehab assignment
05/20/09 Hong-Chih Kuo RP Elbow 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/29/09 Will Ohman RP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/27/09 Xavier Paul CF Infection 15-day DL. Out until at least early June
05/27/09 Jason Schmidt SP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least late June
05/31/09 Eric Stults RP Thumb 15-day DL. Out until at least late June
04/30/09 Doug Mientkiewicz 1B Shoulder 60-day DL. Out until at least early September

Milwaukee Brewers
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
06/02/09 Mike Cameron CF Knee Questionable for June 3-4 at Florida
06/02/09 Mark DiFelice RP Elbow Might be out until June 5-7 series at Atlanta
06/02/09 David Riske RP Elbow 15-day DL. Out for the season
05/19/09 Rickie Weeks 2B Wrist 15-day DL. Out for the season

Minnesota Twins
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
06/02/09 Joe Crede 3B Knee Expected to return June 3 vs. Cleveland
06/02/09 Michael Cuddyer RF Finger Might be out for June 5-7 series at Seattle
05/31/09 Glen Perkins SP Elbow 15-day DL. Expected to make rehab start June 4
05/30/09 Nick Punto SS Groin 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
04/02/09 Boof Bonser RP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out for the season
02/22/09 Pat Neshek RP Elbow 60-day DL. Out for the season

New York Mets
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
06/03/09 Ramon E. Martinez 2B Finger Out until at least late June
04/09/09 Billy Wagner RP Elbow 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-August
06/03/09 Carlos Beltran CF Stomach Probable for June 3 at Pittsburgh
06/01/09 Angel Pagan LF Groin 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/03/09 Oliver Perez SP Knee 15-day DL. Out until at least late June
06/01/09 Jose B. Reyes SS Calf 15-day DL. Eligible to return for June 5-7 series at Washington
05/26/09 Ryan Church RF Hamstring, hip 15-day DL. Eligible to return for June 9-11 series vs. Philadelphia
05/18/09 Carlos Delgado 1B Hip 15-day DL. Out until at least late July
05/31/09 John Maine SP Illness Probable for June 5 start at Washington

New York Yankees
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/26/09 Brian Bruney RP Elbow 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/02/09 Damaso Marte RP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/02/09 Cody Ransom 3B Quadriceps 60-day DL. Expected to begin Triple-A rehab assignment June 4
05/27/09 Jose Molina C Quadriceps 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/10/09 Xavier Nady RF Elbow 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/31/09 Andy Pettitte SP Back Probable for June 3 start vs. Texas

Oakland Athletics
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/31/09 Nomar Garciaparra 1B Calf 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/20/09 Eric Chavez 3B Back 60-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/20/09 Mark Ellis 2B Calf 60-day DL. Out until at least late June
06/02/09 Dan Giese SP Elbow 60-day DL. Might be out for the season
05/31/09 Dallas Braden SP Thumb Questionable for June 6 start vs. Baltimore
05/30/09 Travis Buck RF Oblique 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/26/09 Justin Duchscherer SP Elbow, back 60-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
04/21/09 Joey Devine RP Elbow 60-day DL. Out for the season

Philadelphia Phillies
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/29/09 Brett Myers SP Hip 15-day DL. Might be out for the season

Pittsburgh Pirates
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/31/09 Phil Dumatrait SP Shoulder 60-day DL. Out until at least late June
06/03/09 Craig Hansen RP Neck 15-day DL. Out until at least early July
06/01/09 Tyler Yates RP Elbow 15-day DL. Out until at least late June
05/27/09 Ryan Doumit C Wrist 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-July
05/31/09 Donnie Veal SP Groin 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June

San Diego Padres
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/20/09 Cha Seung Baek SP Forearm 60-day DL. Out until at least late June
05/17/09 Shawn Hill SP Biceps 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/02/09 Everth Cabrera SS Hand 60-day DL. On Class A rehab assignment. Eligible to return for June 19-21 series vs. Oakland
06/03/09 Scott Hairston CF Biceps Questionable for June 3 vs. Philadelphia
06/03/09 Jake Peavy SP Illness Questionable for June 8 start vs. Arizona
05/21/09 Mike M. Adams RP Shoulder 60-day DL. On Double-A rehab assignment
05/20/09 Luis O. Rodriguez SS Ankle 15-day DL. Out until at least early June
04/05/09 Mark Worrell RP Elbow 60-day DL. Out for the season

San Francisco Giants
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/24/09 Joe Martinez SP Head 60-day DL. Out until at least late June
05/24/09 Noah Lowry SP Shoulder, elbow 60-day DL. Out for the season

Seattle Mariners
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/31/09 Roy Corcoran RP Neck 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/02/09 Ryan Rowland-Smith RP Biceps 15-day DL. Expected to make Triple-A rehab start June 5. Expected to return June 11 at Baltimore
05/26/09 Cesar Jimenez RP Biceps 60-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/26/09 Kenji Johjima C Toe 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-July
05/18/09 Shawn Kelley RP Oblique 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-July
05/20/09 Carlos Silva SP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least late June
03/16/09 Ryan Feierabend RP Elbow 60-day DL. Out for the season

St. Louis Cardinals
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
06/03/09 Khalil Greene SS Social anxiety disorder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/03/09 Kyle Lohse SP Forearm Expected to return for June 3 start vs. Cincinnati
06/03/09 Troy Glaus 3B Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-July
06/01/09 Joel Pineiro SP Back Expected to return for June 7 start vs. Colorado
03/30/09 Jaime Garcia SP Elbow 15-day DL. Out for the season

Tampa Bay Rays
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/22/09 Scott Kazmir SP Quadriceps 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/17/09 Shawn Riggans C Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least late June
06/03/09 Evan Longoria 3B Hamstring Might be out until June 5-8 series at N.Y. Yankees
05/26/09 Jason Bartlett SS Ankle 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/24/09 Chad Bradford RP Elbow 15-day DL. On Class A rehab assignment
05/29/09 Pat Burrell DH Neck 15-day DL. Out until at least early June
05/26/09 Akinori Iwamura 2B Knee 60-day DL. Out for the season
05/31/09 Troy Percival RP Shoulder 15-day DL. Might be out for the season
05/25/09 Fernando Perez CF Wrist 60-day DL. Out until at least early August
05/27/09 Brian Shouse RP Elbow 15-day DL. Out until at least late June

Texas Rangers
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/31/09 Willie Eyre RP Groin 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/02/09 Josh Hamilton CF Abdominal 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/29/09 Matt Harrison SP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/18/09 Dustin Nippert RP Back, shoulder, ribs 60-day DL. Out until at least late June
04/05/09 Joaquin Benoit RP Shoulder 60-day DL. Out until at least late July
04/05/09 Eric Hurley SP Shoulder 60-day DL. Out for the season

Toronto Blue Jays
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
05/19/09 Jesse Litsch SP Forearm 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
04/27/09 Shaun Marcum SP Elbow 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-August
04/27/09 Dustin McGowan SP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least late July
05/08/09 Michael Barrett C Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/30/09 Bobby Ray SP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June

Washington Nationals
Updated Player Pos Injury Expected Return
04/29/09 Roger Bernadina CF Ankle 60-day DL. Out until at least early July
06/02/09 Jesus Flores C Shoulder 15-day DL. Might be out for the season
06/02/09 Kip Wells SP Side 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
06/03/09 Josh Willingham LF Stomach Questionable for June 3 vs. San Francisco
05/18/09 Scott Olsen SP Shoulder 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
05/27/09 Dmitri Young 1B Back 15-day DL. Out until at least mid-June
03/28/09 Matt Chico SP Elbow 60-day DL. Out until at least late July

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Cue Raidergoo to post the current complete list of major league players on the Disabled List...

Originally Posted by cody8200

I beat Raider to it

I was busy. Thanks for covering for me Cody!

[Hador]

Originally Posted by cody8200

Mets real life DL. Certainly version 9 had less injuries so you might want to tone them down a bit on your import.

Ramon E. Martinez 2B
Angel Pagan LF
John Maine SP 11
Carlos Beltran CF
Ryan Church RF
Jose B. Reyes SS
Carlos Delgado 1B
Oliver Perez SP 5
Billy Wagner RP

I'll sim a bit longer to get a better feeling, as I said it may well be just a freak stat or maybe it really is just that I am pampered by OOTP9

As for how the number of injuries compare to RL.....I know there are a lot of injuries in reality as well, what startles me about the injuries I have seen in OOTP10 so far is that there are so many long injuries in such a short time. Anyway it's just a first impression so as I said I may be wrong...

[Ruthian23]

Just to re-iterate something that i said earlier, I'm not sure that the OF assist rate thing is a fluke. I've seen another 3-5 in the next four games that I played. I think I've seen something like 6 or 7 OF assists in my first five and a half games, which seems way high. I've also seen three 1B drop routine throws to them, which seems like a very rare error for a 1B (definitely not something that should be happening three times in six games.)

(Just a follow-up, perhaps it could still be a longer term fluky thing. I suppose I'll have to play out a couple of months before I can say for sure that those things are happening at ridiculous rates.)

[Another Mike D]

I was under the impression that the injury frequency went up, but the duration of these injuries went down. Like those 12 month injuries to an OF for back spasms...

[Hador]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

A current snapshot of MLB injuries...

Thanks. Read that list of yours and you will note that almost all of these injuries are of the 2-4 week variety. Very few players listed there are expected to miss more than a month of play.

By comparison on my DL list only 2 players will miss less than a month. So while the number of injuries looks about right the number of severe injuries still seems odd to me.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by Lee

Sorry, Andreas needs to be free to update TBCB, Hockey will have to wait

Agreed!! One under-served sport at a time please.

[nattymuk]

MO just blew the save! this isn't real!!

I'm liking it so far.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by Hador

Thanks. Read that list of yours and you will note that almost all of these injuries are of the 2-4 week variety. Very few players listed there are expected to miss more than a month of play.

By comparison on my DL list only 2 players will miss less than a month. So while the number of injuries looks about right the number of severe injuries still seems odd to me.

There are 25 significant injuries in MLB right now. Some teams already have 2 SEI.

[bucketsndimes]

Don't know if anyone has noticed this or if it's been mentioned, or if this is even something that has actually changed from OOTP9 to OOTPX, but I've noticed a few great changes in AI.

1. If I click "Ask AI to set up complete Organiation, lineups,etc." it used to designate like 8 guys for assignment everytime. This always pissed me off because I would constantly get updates about someone's DFA time being up and I'd have to change that. It doesn't seem to really happen that much anymore.

2. The last game I was playing in OOTP9 if I starting pitcher got injured and I asked the AI to reset the rotation they'd always throw some terrible starter into the rotation or just the middle reliever with the best stamina or whatever. Now it doesn't seem to do that and the AI just went with a 4-man rotation for me. I've never seen that before.

Once again, I never saw these things happen in past versions of OOTP, though I could be wrong.