OOTP 10 Pitching System Explanation - Page 6

gglennwill · 05-31-2009, 10:42 PM

By the way, will spitballs be included in historical imports?

NCBeachBum · 05-31-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gglennwill

By the way, will spitballs be included in historical imports?

Markus has already said that it will include the same pitches as v9, so no.

What I've always done with that version is to use a modern-day pitch that moves somewhat similar, and know in my mind what it "really" is. I.E., for a pitcher who changed speeds a lot in the 19th c., I'd give him a changeup as a second pitch, but in my mind that translates to "he just took something off the fastball." For the spitter, a slider is apparently a good comp. There are still old-timers who refuse to believe that it is possible to make a pitch move in the way a slider does just with a grip, and that every slider pitcher is actually tossing a spitter and getting away with it.

damonrusst · 05-31-2009, 11:07 PM

sounds great. Nice work. Although would still love to see historical players get created with their actual pitches (spitball, eephus, splitter etc.) Any chance of that happening in an upcoming version or is it just too hard?

rocknfire7 · 06-01-2009, 05:13 AM

Looks like a simple work-around. Just add a second or third pitch to Sandy, and history will take care of the rest.

struggles_mightily · 06-01-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rocknfire7

Looks like a simple work-around. Just add a second or third pitch to Sandy, and history will take care of the rest.

Yeh. I mean pretty much everyone throws a change-up of some description, in that they change speeds. Even if the 'extra pitch' has like zero movement on it.

The hero-worship-y "he dominated with two pitches and one leg and no face and without actually appearing at baseball stadiums -- he literally phoned-in his appearances -- you know?" stuff would have to be diminished in that case, but... oh well...

Jonzard · 06-02-2009, 01:41 PM

Outside of OOTP, how is arm slotting generally viewed in pitch rating? If someone like Pedro or Daisuke throw a curve from 2 or 3 arm positions is it generally just considered as an aspect of one pitch or is each arm slot rated differently?

For example is a slider A+ due to it coming from various spots or is it B+ and A from the overhand and 3/4 spots, rated seperately?

Malleus Dei · 06-02-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Rome was not built in a day.

No, but it was burned down in one.

Malleus Dei · 06-02-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bebop

paraphrased from A lefty's Legacy:
"Sandy only had two pitches. A fastball and a huge looping curve. Sandy didnt throw a change, when he wanted to change speeds he would just throw the ball harder."

That's just not true. When I was young I watched Koufax pitch a lot of games from good seats, and I can tell you that he did have and throw a change up. It wasn't a really good one, but it was definitely a change up. Mostly he threw his awesome four-seam fastball or his outstanding twelve to six curve, but he did have an average change up that he would throw now and then to mess with batters.

bebop · 06-02-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

I wasn't trying to "call you out" on your example. If it came across that way I'm sorry. This is actually the first time I've heard Koufax described as having two fastballs so I'm trying to get a handle of how different these two pitches were, hopefully from someone that saw him pitch.

No worries! I didnt take it like that at all. I just find the stuff very interesting. Luckily we got our answer, seems Sandy did throw a change (eggs on my face!)

bebop · 06-02-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

That's just not true. When I was young I watched Koufax pitch a lot of games from good seats, and I can tell you that he did have and throw a change up. It wasn't a really good one, but it was definitely a change up. Mostly he threw his awesome four-seam fastball or his outstanding twelve to six curve, but he did have an average change up that he would throw now and then to mess with batters.

thanks for your post.. seems case is closed..
the question now is in OOTPX will someone with a phenomenal fastball and
a fantastic 12-6 curve and an average change put up Sandy-like numbers?

ike121212 · 06-02-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bebop

thanks for your post.. seems case is closed..
the question now is in OOTPX will someone with a phenomenal fastball and
a fantastic 12-6 curve and an average change put up Sandy-like numbers?

I'm sure Sandy will import well. I'll be more curious to see how a low K% pitcher, like Jamie Moyer or Jimmy Key, imports. With low ST, they might not generate enough quality pitches to start.

RonCo · 06-02-2009, 09:31 PM

Both Key and Moyer were/are huge control pithcers...so despite lowish (or in the case of Key, about league average) k-rates, their K/BB rates were above average. So as long as they convert with nice control values they'll be kinda okay.

ike121212 · 06-02-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RonCo

Both Key and Moyer were/are huge control pithcers...so despite lowish (or in the case of Key, about league average) k-rates, their K/BB rates were above average. So as long as they convert with nice control values they'll be kinda okay.

If their low K% generates poor pitch ratings, they may not be seen as starters. I hope not, at least for pitcher's of their quality.

aewin · 06-11-2009, 09:35 PM

Does the boost apply in the game pitching engine when:

1) the pitcher is set to MR or CL; or

2) the pitcher is used in a particular game as MR or CL irrespective of what his position is set as?

I know the ratings change on the profile screen when the pitcher is set to MR or CL.

If it is the former then it would seem to leave open abuse in online leagues with GMs setting pitchers as MR/CL but using them as SPs.

Cryomaniac · 06-11-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

Outside of OOTP, how is arm slotting generally viewed in pitch rating? If someone like Pedro or Daisuke throw a curve from 2 or 3 arm positions is it generally just considered as an aspect of one pitch or is each arm slot rated differently?

For example is a slider A+ due to it coming from various spots or is it B+ and A from the overhand and 3/4 spots, rated seperately?

I dunno, but I've heard announcers mention that different arm angles is part of the reason single A hitters are having so much trouble hitting Pat Venditte's left handed slider...

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Originally Posted by aewin

Does the boost apply in the game pitching engine when:

1) the pitcher is set to MR or CL; or

2) the pitcher is used in a particular game as MR or CL irrespective of what his position is set as?

I know the ratings change on the profile screen when the pitcher is set to MR or CL.

If it is the former then it would seem to leave open abuse in online leagues with GMs setting pitchers as MR/CL but using them as SPs.

I could be wrong, but I think someone who is listed as an MR or CL is penalised for starting.

thbroman · 06-12-2009, 08:08 AM

I don't believe this one has been asked yet:

Does a pitcher's endurence/stamina change at all based on how he is used? The initial description taken from the manual told how a pitcher's endurence could be reduced because of injury, but can it be increased in any way? Steroids or "vitamin supplements," perhaps?

Curtis · 06-12-2009, 12:57 PM

In Version 9 a few posters said they'd witnessed starters 'stretching out' over the course of a couple of years, especially young ones. It would usually happen in two or three jumps, rather than smoothly increasing.

Nutlaw · 06-12-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aewin

does the boost apply in the game pitching engine when:

1) the pitcher is set to mr or cl; or

2) the pitcher is used in a particular game as mr or cl irrespective of what his position is set as?

I know the ratings change on the profile screen when the pitcher is set to mr or cl.

If it is the former then it would seem to leave open abuse in online leagues with gms setting pitchers as mr/cl but using them as sps.

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Nutlaw · 06-12-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thbroman

I don't believe this one has been asked yet:

Does a pitcher's endurence/stamina change at all based on how he is used? The initial description taken from the manual told how a pitcher's endurence could be reduced because of injury, but can it be increased in any way? Steroids or "vitamin supplements," perhaps?

Nope. Stamina boosts do happen, but they happen more or less randomly.

Nutlaw · 06-27-2009, 08:17 AM

I'm going to bump this thread as a few people seem to have some confusion regarding the pitching system and might benefit from a clearer explanation.

05-31-2009, 10:42 PM	#101
gglennwill Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 289	Spitballs? By the way, will spitballs be included in historical imports?

06-01-2009, 05:13 AM	#104
rocknfire7 Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,907 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	Looks like a simple work-around. Just add a second or third pitch to Sandy, and history will take care of the rest. Last edited by rocknfire7; 06-01-2009 at 05:04 PM.

06-02-2009, 01:41 PM	#106
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	Outside of OOTP, how is arm slotting generally viewed in pitch rating? If someone like Pedro or Daisuke throw a curve from 2 or 3 arm positions is it generally just considered as an aspect of one pitch or is each arm slot rated differently? For example is a slider A+ due to it coming from various spots or is it B+ and A from the overhand and 3/4 spots, rated seperately? __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

06-11-2009, 09:35 PM	#114
aewin Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 447	Question Does the boost apply in the game pitching engine when: 1) the pitcher is set to MR or CL; or 2) the pitcher is used in a particular game as MR or CL irrespective of what his position is set as? I know the ratings change on the profile screen when the pitcher is set to MR or CL. If it is the former then it would seem to leave open abuse in online leagues with GMs setting pitchers as MR/CL but using them as SPs.

05-31-2009, 11:07 PM	#103
damonrusst Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 470	sounds great. Nice work. Although would still love to see historical players get created with their actual pitches (spitball, eephus, splitter etc.) Any chance of that happening in an upcoming version or is it just too hard?

06-02-2009, 09:31 PM	#112
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,512	Both Key and Moyer were/are huge control pithcers...so despite lowish (or in the case of Key, about league average) k-rates, their K/BB rates were above average. So as long as they convert with nice control values they'll be kinda okay.

06-12-2009, 08:08 AM	#116
thbroman All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 867	I don't believe this one has been asked yet: Does a pitcher's endurence/stamina change at all based on how he is used? The initial description taken from the manual told how a pitcher's endurence could be reduced because of injury, but can it be increased in any way? Steroids or "vitamin supplements," perhaps?

06-12-2009, 12:57 PM	#117
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	In Version 9 a few posters said they'd witnessed starters 'stretching out' over the course of a couple of years, especially young ones. It would usually happen in two or three jumps, rather than smoothly increasing.

06-27-2009, 08:17 AM	#120
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	I'm going to bump this thread as a few people seem to have some confusion regarding the pitching system and might benefit from a clearer explanation.