Heavyweight boxings 10 best chins

IceTea · 05-08-2009, 10:51 PM

Heavyweight Boxing’s Ten Greatest Ever Chins

Lee · 05-08-2009, 11:30 PM

Chuvalo 4th? Having a hard time with that one. Ali had a good chin but not ahead of either Chuvalo or Cobb for that matter. A big reason Ali was seldom hurt were his superb reflexes and ability to roll with a punch. Cobb and Chuvalo got hit flush a ton and never flinched. To me that is better indicator, Ali was just a great defensive fighter.

Marciano6 · 05-08-2009, 11:52 PM

Come on now Ali number one?

Tommysixfingers · 05-09-2009, 02:18 AM

To me Ali in 1st is not unthinkable. He has been hit by all of the best fighters (and punchers) that were around and in my mind that speaks volumes about the man's chin. Lee has a valid point but still...it isn't unthinkable to me at all.

What about Tua and McCall more recently? Both men has pretty impressive jaws if you ask me.

Bogie · 05-09-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Marciano6

Come on now Ali number one?

How many times was Ali KO'd, I don't know if hes #1 or not. I beleive that causing another fighter to miss you is all part of "having a good chin". I have a little problem with Foreman, Ali KO'd him and Ali was not what you would call a "big puncher". Plus Ali did fight some guys who were considered big hitters. IMO

PWillisTheMan · 05-09-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

To me Ali in 1st is not unthinkable. He has been hit by all of the best fighters (and punchers) that were around and in my mind that speaks volumes about the man's chin. Lee has a valid point but still...it isn't unthinkable to me at all.

What about Tua and McCall more recently? Both men has pretty impressive jaws if you ask me.

Agreed, Ali gets overrated a lot, but his chin was other wordly. I doubt I would rank him first, but I don't find it ridiculous. The right hand Shavers hit him with at the end of the second round could have demolished a skyscraper.

I'd lose Marciano and Dempsey from the list. Great call on McCall, I would add Tim Witherspoon & Jim Jeffries as well.

Tyson & Holmes deserve mention.

Jersey-Jim · 05-10-2009, 01:35 PM

I would have put Jim Jeffries in their, too. He could take loads of punishment for 20 rounds + in his prime and was never even stopped on his feet which says a lot.

BrocktonBlockBuster · 05-26-2009, 10:42 PM

George Chuvalo easily number one. Great show about him on espn outside the lines called Still Standing[Sad Story]. You can find it online-sorry I don't have the link. Ali was floored a few times[not sure how many] by less than great power punchers,before he was suspended. Foreman went down against Ali,twice against Ron Lyle and again against Jimmy Young I believe. I would lose Foreman and Dempsey. Drop Ali way down and keep Marciano for sure!

dempsonny · 05-26-2009, 10:57 PM

Ali had a great chin. He fought a lot of legit hitters. Dempsey's sole KO loss may have been fixed, he had a great chin. Marciano never lost, is there anything more to say about that. Holmes on the other hand made household names of bums. He was dropped by Renaldo Mr. Snipes. Snipes couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag and if he was any kind of a fighter would have finished Holmes who was on queer street. Frazier also had a great chin except for when he got hit by probably the biggest puncher in history, George Foreman. Jeffrey and Tunney also come to mind. Another fighter was Aaron Pryor. If you saw the shots Arguello was hitting him with, he would have to be considered up there. In the LHW, Dwight Braxton (Qawi).

BigFiasco · 05-28-2009, 12:24 PM

Ali took Shavers and Foremans shots who were probably the hardest punchers at HW in the modern era. Dude had a serious chin.

BrocktonBlockBuster · 05-28-2009, 03:51 PM

Clearly Ali had a great chin-just not the best. He was floored by Sonny Banks,Henry Cooper,Joe Frazier and Chuck Wepner. George Chuvalo fought Ali twice, Frazier, Foreman and never went down once to them or anyone else! There are people on this web site that know far more than me,I just don't see how Ali can be considered 1 chin of all-time?

PWillisTheMan · 05-28-2009, 03:58 PM

Wepner wasn't a knockdown. Banks, Cooper & Frazier were legit.

Marciano was dropped by an ancient Light Heavyweight and Walcott. You have to take opposition into account.

Could Rock have absorbed the punishment Ali did?

I would agree with Chuvalo. But there isn't anything ridiculous with Ali. I can't see marciano in the top 10.

Top 10 toughest dudes? sure, but not top chins.

BrocktonBlockBuster · 05-28-2009, 08:54 PM

Lol-Pwill I'm not taking the bait. Marciano's toughness is beyond debate! Ali would say this ,after reading another of your posts. Leonard beat Hearns cause he wanted it the most. When all was on the line and they were in their prime. Ray looked like Clay on that day. Now you can call him a creep and say his win was cheap. But Tommy don't remember, cause he was asleep!

PWillisTheMan · 05-29-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BrocktonBlockBuster

Lol-Pwill I'm not taking the bait. Marciano's toughness is beyond debate! Ali would say this ,after reading another of your posts. Leonard beat Hearns cause he wanted it the most. When all was on the line and they were in their prime. Ray looked like Clay on that day. Now you can call him a creep and say his win was cheap. But Tommy don't remember, cause he was asleep!

LOL, that was no bait, I said Rock was among the toughest. His chin was solid, just not among the ten best imo. As for Leonard, that's an entirely different thread and that is actually a weak attempt at baiting something.

Not sure why you're so upset. Ali's chin is just better than marciano's. That doesn't make the Rock a wimp.

Lee · 05-29-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

Could Rock have absorbed the punishment Ali did?

I agree they both had great chins, I just have to chime in on this. He did absorb the punishment Ali did because he was mediocre defensively and was nowhere near as adept as Ali at rolling with punches. A lot of what Rock took was dead on flush, so I would say he is at least equal to Ali in the ability to take punishment.

I still give Chuvalo the nod, never down, fought everyone Ali did and took some tremendous beatings.

The real irony here though is as much as Chuvalo took he is still reasonably sharp and has his facilities. It is a shame Ali is in the condition he is, could you imagine how entertaining he would be today....think boxing version of Buck O'Neill.

BrocktonBlockBuster · 05-29-2009, 10:49 PM

Very well said Lee,I agree with you 100% ! Your right,amazingly Chuvalo still has his wits and speaks clearly. I have a theory about fighters getting punchy. Just a thoery,I've never researched this,so I maybe way off base? Seems to me that most fighters known to have tremendous chins [Chuvalo,Lamotta] don't suffer from dementia. Most not all,Aaron Pryor comes to mind. I believe it boils down to what happens inside your head when you get hit. I've spoken with a number of fighters who say they see stars when they get hit hard. One guy told me he had a 6 round fight in which he hit the canvas a couple of times. Later he went home and didn't even remember fighting that night. Although Chuvalo was hit hard and often,I would say his brain most likely wasn't rattling around like most normal people. The opposite would be the guy with the glass jaw[dementia waiting to happen]. Once years ago when I was playing football I went head on with the hardest hitter on the team. I was a sophmore he was a senior. After the play I saw nothing but a white light-lol. Somehow,out of pride I walked back to the huddle playing unhurt.

BrocktonBlockBuster · 05-30-2009, 09:09 AM

Sorry,posted this late when I was tired. Intended to say I pretended not to be hurt as I walked back to the huddle. My point was--I'm no George Chuvalo-lol...

PWillisTheMan · 05-31-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

I agree they both had great chins, I just have to chime in on this. He did absorb the punishment Ali did because he was mediocre defensively and was nowhere near as adept as Ali at rolling with punches. A lot of what Rock took was dead on flush, so I would say he is at least equal to Ali in the ability to take punishment.

I still give Chuvalo the nod, never down, fought everyone Ali did and took some tremendous beatings.

The real irony here though is as much as Chuvalo took he is still reasonably sharp and has his facilities. It is a shame Ali is in the condition he is, could you imagine how entertaining he would be today....think boxing version of Buck O'Neill.

I didn't mean to imply he didn't absorb boat loads of punishment and I already stated he is probably among the 10 toughest guys to ever fight. Imo getting drilled on the button by Ezzard Charles & Archie Moore, isn't quite the same as getting drilled by earnie Shavers and Joe frazier.

Bogie · 05-31-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

I didn't mean to imply he didn't absorb boat loads of punishment and I already stated he is probably among the 10 toughest guys to ever fight. Imo getting drilled on the button by Ezzard Charles & Archie Moore, isn't quite the same as getting drilled by earnie Shavers and Joe frazier.

I agree PWT-Man. I don't know if Ali had the best chin of all time, but he sure had a great one and to be shocked that someone could consider his the best just seems odd to me. I admit I was an Ali fan growing up.

professordp · 06-01-2009, 12:31 AM

I wouldn't want to place him at any particular number, but might we consider Mr. Liston? Take away that strange second Ali fight and his match with Leotis Martin when he was God knows how old, and you could make a case for his placement among the rest. I know all of you saw his two fights with the Big Cat. Williams tagged him with some hard shots, but Sonny kept coming at him! Plus he did fight guys like Mike DeJohn, Nino Valdes, and Julio Mederos, all of whom packed a decent wallop.

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dempsonny Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: long island, n.y. Posts: 325	Greatest Chins Ali had a great chin. He fought a lot of legit hitters. Dempsey's sole KO loss may have been fixed, he had a great chin. Marciano never lost, is there anything more to say about that. Holmes on the other hand made household names of bums. He was dropped by Renaldo Mr. Snipes. Snipes couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag and if he was any kind of a fighter would have finished Holmes who was on queer street. Frazier also had a great chin except for when he got hit by probably the biggest puncher in history, George Foreman. Jeffrey and Tunney also come to mind. Another fighter was Aaron Pryor. If you saw the shots Arguello was hitting him with, he would have to be considered up there. In the LHW, Dwight Braxton (Qawi). __________________ A house without a dog is not a home.

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PWillisTheMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,418	Wepner wasn't a knockdown. Banks, Cooper & Frazier were legit. Marciano was dropped by an ancient Light Heavyweight and Walcott. You have to take opposition into account. Could Rock have absorbed the punishment Ali did? I would agree with Chuvalo. But there isn't anything ridiculous with Ali. I can't see marciano in the top 10. Top 10 toughest dudes? sure, but not top chins. __________________ http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...urnaments.html- Nerd Tournaments

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05-08-2009, 11:30 PM	#2
Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Scorched Desert Posts: 4,652	Chuvalo 4th? Having a hard time with that one. Ali had a good chin but not ahead of either Chuvalo or Cobb for that matter. A big reason Ali was seldom hurt were his superb reflexes and ability to roll with a punch. Cobb and Chuvalo got hit flush a ton and never flinched. To me that is better indicator, Ali was just a great defensive fighter.

05-09-2009, 02:18 AM	#4
Tommysixfingers All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,500	To me Ali in 1st is not unthinkable. He has been hit by all of the best fighters (and punchers) that were around and in my mind that speaks volumes about the man's chin. Lee has a valid point but still...it isn't unthinkable to me at all. What about Tua and McCall more recently? Both men has pretty impressive jaws if you ask me.

05-26-2009, 10:42 PM	#8
BrocktonBlockBuster Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 298	George Chuvalo easily number one. Great show about him on espn outside the lines called Still Standing[Sad Story]. You can find it online-sorry I don't have the link. Ali was floored a few times[not sure how many] by less than great power punchers,before he was suspended. Foreman went down against Ali,twice against Ron Lyle and again against Jimmy Young I believe. I would lose Foreman and Dempsey. Drop Ali way down and keep Marciano for sure!

05-28-2009, 12:24 PM	#10
BigFiasco Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 213	Ali took Shavers and Foremans shots who were probably the hardest punchers at HW in the modern era. Dude had a serious chin.

05-28-2009, 03:51 PM	#11
BrocktonBlockBuster Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 298	Clearly Ali had a great chin-just not the best. He was floored by Sonny Banks,Henry Cooper,Joe Frazier and Chuck Wepner. George Chuvalo fought Ali twice, Frazier, Foreman and never went down once to them or anyone else! There are people on this web site that know far more than me,I just don't see how Ali can be considered 1 chin of all-time?

05-28-2009, 08:54 PM	#13
BrocktonBlockBuster Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 298	Lol-Pwill I'm not taking the bait. Marciano's toughness is beyond debate! Ali would say this ,after reading another of your posts. Leonard beat Hearns cause he wanted it the most. When all was on the line and they were in their prime. Ray looked like Clay on that day. Now you can call him a creep and say his win was cheap. But Tommy don't remember, cause he was asleep!

05-29-2009, 10:49 PM	#16
BrocktonBlockBuster Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 298	Very well said Lee,I agree with you 100% ! Your right,amazingly Chuvalo still has his wits and speaks clearly. I have a theory about fighters getting punchy. Just a thoery,I've never researched this,so I maybe way off base? Seems to me that most fighters known to have tremendous chins [Chuvalo,Lamotta] don't suffer from dementia. Most not all,Aaron Pryor comes to mind. I believe it boils down to what happens inside your head when you get hit. I've spoken with a number of fighters who say they see stars when they get hit hard. One guy told me he had a 6 round fight in which he hit the canvas a couple of times. Later he went home and didn't even remember fighting that night. Although Chuvalo was hit hard and often,I would say his brain most likely wasn't rattling around like most normal people. The opposite would be the guy with the glass jaw[dementia waiting to happen]. Once years ago when I was playing football I went head on with the hardest hitter on the team. I was a sophmore he was a senior. After the play I saw nothing but a white light-lol. Somehow,out of pride I walked back to the huddle playing unhurt.

05-30-2009, 09:09 AM	#17
BrocktonBlockBuster Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 298	Sorry,posted this late when I was tired. Intended to say I pretended not to be hurt as I walked back to the huddle. My point was--I'm no George Chuvalo-lol...