Ratings of the Day Council - Page 14

John Dewey · 05-15-2009, 07:30 AM

No, we're interested. At least I am.

bear · 05-15-2009, 09:36 AM

Another very interested party, Dean.

bdennis2 · 05-15-2009, 01:43 PM

Dean i hope you keep it up i have all of your ratings there are still a few of oldtimers like myself that still sim the oldtimers i like doing them in there real career's do fights that should have been but never happen like J.L Sullivan vs P.Jackson Dempsey-Wills,Tunney-Godfrey the 20's 30's Godfrey there's tons and tons of fights to do that way no unv. for me just keep the ratings coming thanks for the one's you have allready done. <Oldtimer Bill Dennis>

djday45 · 05-18-2009, 02:11 AM

John J. Dwyer

djday45 · 05-18-2009, 02:32 AM

John L. Sullivan

djday45 · 05-18-2009, 03:28 AM

Lou Ambers

djday45 · 05-18-2009, 03:52 AM

Sammy Angott

djday45 · 05-18-2009, 04:56 AM

Brian Mitchell

djday45 · 05-18-2009, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdennis2

Dean i hope you keep it up i have all of your ratings there are still a few of oldtimers like myself that still sim the oldtimers i like doing them in there real career's do fights that should have been but never happen like J.L Sullivan vs P.Jackson Dempsey-Wills,Tunney-Godfrey the 20's 30's Godfrey there's tons and tons of fights to do that way no unv. for me just keep the ratings coming thanks for the one's you have allready done. <Oldtimer Bill Dennis>

Thks
guys

djday45 · 05-18-2009, 05:55 AM

Just a quick notefor the continuing ratings I am posting.

1.All fighters are rated in the tradional 8 weight classes only. I have never thought the super or junior classes were needed good and great fighters have always moved up and around in the 8 classes and continue to do so.
EG- just rated Mitchell as a LW.

2. A major feature of these ratings are that they give very accurate ratings for pre,prime,post and end career stages regarding effects to the ratings for that particular fighter and the historical time period in reality the fighter moved career stages.
I hate the 1 size fits all ammendments made as in each case different qualities and skills are affected.

3.Generally I have long had the opinion the ratings need to get stretched wider over the 0-15 expanse to make all ratings more accurate, original, specific and unique.
All these ratings have had extensive thought and research put into them
and no decision to change anything was taken lightly.
I have to say though it is scary and depressing how little the ratings resemle how many fighters actually fought.

4. Left handed - dont freak when you see how many non southies have got rated as such. I use this to model many effects that could effect results that are impossile to show any other way.
Listons and Tysons terror aura, Ali and Leonards mind games, Marciano and La Motta's relentless assaults, Hamed's sheer awkward angles Tunneys detailed research on opponents. all these factors and more can have a place here.

5.Styles- these are often very wrong either should occur rarely.

6. Conditioning- a wider use of all12 ratings.

7. Defense- this is a very wide catergory which could and should model qualities other than classical defense.

John Dewey · 05-18-2009, 08:15 AM

If you're going to list a non Southpaw as a Southpaw please make a note of it in their bio. It has been my opinion that old time fighters (when compared to modern fighters) are generally overrated in the game. They fought at a slower pace and very rarely threw combinations. Their footwork, even of such guys as Jim Corbett and Benny Leonard, was primitive by our standards. Jack Johnson had great defense but put him in a modern ring and he would probably be outhussled a lot and lose decisions to fighters he should have been able to beat, The great killer in any fighter's boigraphy is "They were great for their time." Keep up the good work.

djday45 · 05-18-2009, 01:07 PM

Any requests chaps.

djday45 · 05-18-2009, 01:27 PM

John Conteh

djday45 · 05-18-2009, 02:02 PM

Victor Galindez

Shaft081 · 05-18-2009, 02:27 PM

How would you rate Floyd Patterson at Middleweight?

djday45 · 05-18-2009, 04:29 PM

Bob Foster

Infinity · 05-20-2009, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Bomber

Dean, I am very interested to see what your take is on the fighters of the past, but at the moment I don't have the capacity to open a zip file with my current system since my system crashed in October, and was replaced with less than what I had previously.

Go to www.downloads.com and search for IZarc it's a free Zip opener that works with all the most used formats.

As for the ratings, love em DJ, just that I've not been on much of late...keep em coming!

djday45 · 05-23-2009, 06:18 AM

Marvin Hagler

djday45 · 05-24-2009, 10:26 AM

Nonpareil Jack Dempsey

djday45 · 05-28-2009, 04:19 PM

Henry Akinwande

05-15-2009, 07:30 AM	#261
John Dewey Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,207	Keep it up No, we're interested. At least I am.

05-15-2009, 09:36 AM	#262
bear Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 18,797	Another very interested party, Dean. __________________ Bear's Unstable UTBA Season Four Gold Conference Central Division Champion First UTBA expansion franchise to win a conference divisional title

05-18-2009, 05:55 AM	#270
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,502	RatingsAnalysis Just a quick notefor the continuing ratings I am posting. 1.All fighters are rated in the tradional 8 weight classes only. I have never thought the super or junior classes were needed good and great fighters have always moved up and around in the 8 classes and continue to do so. EG- just rated Mitchell as a LW. 2. A major feature of these ratings are that they give very accurate ratings for pre,prime,post and end career stages regarding effects to the ratings for that particular fighter and the historical time period in reality the fighter moved career stages. I hate the 1 size fits all ammendments made as in each case different qualities and skills are affected. 3.Generally I have long had the opinion the ratings need to get stretched wider over the 0-15 expanse to make all ratings more accurate, original, specific and unique. All these ratings have had extensive thought and research put into them and no decision to change anything was taken lightly. I have to say though it is scary and depressing how little the ratings resemle how many fighters actually fought. 4. Left handed - dont freak when you see how many non southies have got rated as such. I use this to model many effects that could effect results that are impossile to show any other way. Listons and Tysons terror aura, Ali and Leonards mind games, Marciano and La Motta's relentless assaults, Hamed's sheer awkward angles Tunneys detailed research on opponents. all these factors and more can have a place here. 5.Styles- these are often very wrong either should occur rarely. 6. Conditioning- a wider use of all12 ratings. 7. Defense- this is a very wide catergory which could and should model qualities other than classical defense.

05-18-2009, 08:15 AM	#271
John Dewey Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,207	ratings If you're going to list a non Southpaw as a Southpaw please make a note of it in their bio. It has been my opinion that old time fighters (when compared to modern fighters) are generally overrated in the game. They fought at a slower pace and very rarely threw combinations. Their footwork, even of such guys as Jim Corbett and Benny Leonard, was primitive by our standards. Jack Johnson had great defense but put him in a modern ring and he would probably be outhussled a lot and lose decisions to fighters he should have been able to beat, The great killer in any fighter's boigraphy is "They were great for their time." Keep up the good work.

05-18-2009, 01:07 PM	#272
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,502	Requests Any requests chaps.

05-15-2009, 01:43 PM	#263
bdennis2 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 241	Dean i hope you keep it up i have all of your ratings there are still a few of oldtimers like myself that still sim the oldtimers i like doing them in there real career's do fights that should have been but never happen like J.L Sullivan vs P.Jackson Dempsey-Wills,Tunney-Godfrey the 20's 30's Godfrey there's tons and tons of fights to do that way no unv. for me just keep the ratings coming thanks for the one's you have allready done. <Oldtimer Bill Dennis>

05-18-2009, 02:27 PM	#275
Shaft081 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Posts: 101	How would you rate Floyd Patterson at Middleweight?