Historical Expansion Worksheet

JoshEngleman · 04-21-2003, 07:21 PM

I'm putting together a a worksheet/database that catagorizes all of the changes that were made historically per year since 1901. City and nickname changes, ballpark changes, and Lahman database codes. My question is 'Is there anything else you guys would want to see in it?'

I would like to make it as easy to use as possible, just by browsing the year, you can see what changes you need to make.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Josh

holyroller · 04-21-2003, 07:24 PM

Manager names and minor league affiliates by year would be awesome although that would add a lot of work I realize.

JoshEngleman · 04-21-2003, 07:32 PM

Not a bad idea. Manager names would be really easy. If I'm not mistaken, baseball-reference.com has them listed. As for minor league affiliates, I wouldn't know where to go for the information, but would have no problem entering them if someone could point me to the info.

holyroller · 04-21-2003, 07:34 PM

At home I have a site bookmarked that has them all but I am at work at the moment. I run a historical league and we use the real affiliates each year so if you put a list together it would be great. I'll get back to you when I get home.

JoshEngleman · 04-21-2003, 07:41 PM

Alright sounds good. 7:40 EST for me, so I should be on here until roughly 12:30. I'm also going to add games played per year.

MJohnson · 04-21-2003, 07:42 PM

http://www.geocities.com/big_bunko/total.htm

I believe this is what HR is talking about

holyroller · 04-21-2003, 07:46 PM

^ indeed

JoshEngleman · 04-21-2003, 07:46 PM

Yeah, that'll help a bunch. Thanks.

JoshEngleman · 04-21-2003, 07:59 PM

For years like 1901, how many games should I use for their games played? Each team seems to have played something different. I'm about to finish the 1901 AL section, so I'm going to upload it to my webspace, just so you guys can see what it looks like, and so I can get any suggestions.

bigjas · 04-21-2003, 08:12 PM

I go with 140 games, then increase to 154 in 1903, and then to 162 in 1961.

I seem to remember in 61*, that when they were having the meeting in the commissioner's office, how that one reporter said that when Babe set his first home run record, he played in 14 more games than the other guy.

JoshEngleman · 04-21-2003, 08:14 PM

Here is a VERY basic copy of the file so far. Any suggestions are welcome.

http://userweb.intergrafix.net/jengl...0Worksheet.xls

bigjas · 04-21-2003, 08:16 PM

Looks good so far.

I'll be one who will really appreciate this, since I get tired of checking back and trying to remember which site I found something at.

It'll be nice to have this information in one spot.

JoshEngleman · 04-21-2003, 08:22 PM

Thanks alot bigjas. I'll be appreciating it alot, too.

Another question, this time abou thte minors systems.

Which leagues should/do I use? I know which leagues are going on now, but back in 1902, I have no idea.

JoshEngleman · 04-21-2003, 08:33 PM

The file is updated showing the 1902 Al changes. If you guys have any ideas as to format or anything like that, please let me know.

holyroller · 04-21-2003, 08:43 PM

The minors didn't really become the way they are now until the 30's or 40's I believe. That site does list them by affiliate, classification and year, but it will still be a lot of work. For many years some teams will only have two minor league teams and others have 8. I could maybe give you a hand with it. PM me your e-mail address and I'll see if I can't come up with something.

JoshEngleman · 04-21-2003, 08:54 PM

I PM'd you the email address but it said your box is full. It's not a big deal for me to give it to you here.

jengle@intergrafix.net

You can also reach me on AIM: JoshuaEngleman

holyroller · 04-21-2003, 09:06 PM

Bah. I hate the full PM box.

The Professor · 04-21-2003, 10:02 PM

...The Sporting News printed league affiliates every April from at least 1946 on and probably well before. I can get copies of as many of these registers as possible and help out in my spare time. I have access from the turn of the century to modern day, I believe.

holyroller · 04-21-2003, 10:05 PM

That would be superb. That site has all the information but you have to really sift.

JoshEngleman · 04-21-2003, 10:06 PM

Professor - Anything you could do to help would be greatly appreciated.

The file on the website is now updated with the AL 1901-1909 with all name changes, coaching changes and stadium changes. I also have listed how many games were played in each season, and how many games the World Series was.

04-21-2003, 07:21 PM	#1
JoshEngleman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 154	Historical Expansion Worksheet I'm putting together a a worksheet/database that catagorizes all of the changes that were made historically per year since 1901. City and nickname changes, ballpark changes, and Lahman database codes. My question is 'Is there anything else you guys would want to see in it?' I would like to make it as easy to use as possible, just by browsing the year, you can see what changes you need to make. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Josh

04-21-2003, 07:24 PM	#2
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	Manager names and minor league affiliates by year would be awesome although that would add a lot of work I realize. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

04-21-2003, 07:32 PM	#3
JoshEngleman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 154	Not a bad idea. Manager names would be really easy. If I'm not mistaken, baseball-reference.com has them listed. As for minor league affiliates, I wouldn't know where to go for the information, but would have no problem entering them if someone could point me to the info. __________________ It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why its called a shortcut. If it were easy it would just be the way.

04-21-2003, 07:34 PM	#4
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	At home I have a site bookmarked that has them all but I am at work at the moment. I run a historical league and we use the real affiliates each year so if you put a list together it would be great. I'll get back to you when I get home. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

04-21-2003, 07:41 PM	#5
JoshEngleman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 154	Alright sounds good. 7:40 EST for me, so I should be on here until roughly 12:30. I'm also going to add games played per year. __________________ It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why its called a shortcut. If it were easy it would just be the way.

04-21-2003, 07:42 PM	#6
MJohnson Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: under an overpass Posts: 459	http://www.geocities.com/big_bunko/total.htm I believe this is what HR is talking about

04-21-2003, 07:46 PM	#7
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	^ indeed __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

04-21-2003, 07:46 PM	#8
JoshEngleman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 154	Yeah, that'll help a bunch. Thanks. __________________ It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why its called a shortcut. If it were easy it would just be the way.

04-21-2003, 07:59 PM	#9
JoshEngleman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 154	For years like 1901, how many games should I use for their games played? Each team seems to have played something different. I'm about to finish the 1901 AL section, so I'm going to upload it to my webspace, just so you guys can see what it looks like, and so I can get any suggestions. __________________ It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why its called a shortcut. If it were easy it would just be the way.

04-21-2003, 08:12 PM	#10
bigjas Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olive Hill, KY Posts: 279	I go with 140 games, then increase to 154 in 1903, and then to 162 in 1961. I seem to remember in 61*, that when they were having the meeting in the commissioner's office, how that one reporter said that when Babe set his first home run record, he played in 14 more games than the other guy.

04-21-2003, 08:14 PM	#11
JoshEngleman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 154	Here is a VERY basic copy of the file so far. Any suggestions are welcome. http://userweb.intergrafix.net/jengl...0Worksheet.xls __________________ It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why its called a shortcut. If it were easy it would just be the way.

04-21-2003, 08:16 PM	#12
bigjas Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olive Hill, KY Posts: 279	Looks good so far. I'll be one who will really appreciate this, since I get tired of checking back and trying to remember which site I found something at. It'll be nice to have this information in one spot.

04-21-2003, 08:22 PM	#13
JoshEngleman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 154	Thanks alot bigjas. I'll be appreciating it alot, too. Another question, this time abou thte minors systems. Which leagues should/do I use? I know which leagues are going on now, but back in 1902, I have no idea. __________________ It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why its called a shortcut. If it were easy it would just be the way.

04-21-2003, 08:33 PM	#14
JoshEngleman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 154	The file is updated showing the 1902 Al changes. If you guys have any ideas as to format or anything like that, please let me know. __________________ It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why its called a shortcut. If it were easy it would just be the way.

04-21-2003, 08:43 PM	#15
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	The minors didn't really become the way they are now until the 30's or 40's I believe. That site does list them by affiliate, classification and year, but it will still be a lot of work. For many years some teams will only have two minor league teams and others have 8. I could maybe give you a hand with it. PM me your e-mail address and I'll see if I can't come up with something. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

04-21-2003, 08:54 PM	#16
JoshEngleman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 154	I PM'd you the email address but it said your box is full. It's not a big deal for me to give it to you here. jengle@intergrafix.net You can also reach me on AIM: JoshuaEngleman __________________ It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why its called a shortcut. If it were easy it would just be the way.

04-21-2003, 09:06 PM	#17
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	Bah. I hate the full PM box. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

04-21-2003, 10:02 PM	#18
The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	...The Sporting News printed league affiliates every April from at least 1946 on and probably well before. I can get copies of as many of these registers as possible and help out in my spare time. I have access from the turn of the century to modern day, I believe. __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."

04-21-2003, 10:05 PM	#19
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	That would be superb. That site has all the information but you have to really sift. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

04-21-2003, 10:06 PM	#20
JoshEngleman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 154	Professor - Anything you could do to help would be greatly appreciated. The file on the website is now updated with the AL 1901-1909 with all name changes, coaching changes and stadium changes. I also have listed how many games were played in each season, and how many games the World Series was. __________________ It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why its called a shortcut. If it were easy it would just be the way.