Players Refusing ASSIGNMENT

Steve Strzepek of BTTF · 04-20-2003, 04:01 PM

We just completed the season in our league and are in round one of the playoffs. A playoff team has 29 men on their roster and needs to cut to the 25 man limit for the playoffs. We had expanded to 40 man rosters during September; but now some of the players refuse the assignment to the minors. It indicates they have to be released or remain on the ML roster. Is there any way around this ? This does not happen in the "real" major leagues. How do your leagues handle this ?

holyroller · 04-20-2003, 04:08 PM

It does happen in "real" major leagues. Players have option years during which they can be sent to the minor leagues without consent. After those options run out, the player must be passed through waivers. If the player is not claimed, the player has the option to refuse assignment to the minor leagues and must be kept on the roster, traded, or released.

KCRoyalsFan · 04-20-2003, 04:17 PM

I think he means that the people he called up from the minors in september, and just for september, won't go back down.

holyroller · 04-20-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by KCRoyalsFan
I think he means that the people he called up from the minors in september, and just for september, won't go back down.

Could be, but in and of itself that does not indicate a problem.

Draft Dodger · 04-20-2003, 04:48 PM

or, when you call up a AAA guy while someone's on the DL, and then when the DL player comes back, the AAA guy refuses assignment.

I give this idea an A+.
only a B- for implementation.

CMH · 04-20-2003, 04:55 PM

there is no bug or problem.

the problem is the user bringin up players that do not want to be in the minors.

usually september callups are players that have zero or very little major league experience. So sending them back down to the minors is not a problem.

from your problem it sounds as if your league is either too small or filled with too many stars. Or the team has way too many good players in his minor league system, therefore he is hoarding talent.

I rather Markus not find a way to help out those teams.

Springtime_for_Hunter · 04-20-2003, 05:01 PM

Still, teams should be free to leave vets off of their postseason rosters without demoting them, right? In MLB, a lot of teams will leave off their fifth starter or last bullpen guy, and they don't get to demand free agency.

CMH · 04-20-2003, 05:05 PM

if that were the case then we'd have to add in the option of having a postseason roster.

meaning we could demote/promote to the Majors during the postseason. Well not during, but after every series...which is how the Majors works.

I understand your point though and seriously I don't know how that works so I can't really comment on it.

Bill II · 04-20-2003, 05:20 PM

Howabout turning the minor league option off on the last day of the season?

Draft Dodger · 04-20-2003, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Bill II
Howabout turning the minor league option off on the last day of the season?

to me, this should be done automatically.

lynchjm24 · 04-20-2003, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by YankeePride
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from your problem it sounds as if your league is either too small or filled with too many stars. Or the team has way too many good players in his minor league system, therefore he is hoarding talent.

I rather Markus not find a way to help out those teams.

Actually it sounds like the feature doesn't work correctly.

One might call up a veteran who can pinch run or pinch hit, or maybe a veteran for the bullpen during September.

Sending someone to the minors is different then leaving them off of a postseason roster.

If the Cardinals had left Scott Rolen off their postseason roster last year because he wasn't 100% would they have to put him through waivers. Of course not.

GeoffP · 04-20-2003, 10:50 PM

This needs to be addressed. Expensive, washed up players with 2 & 3 ratings are bad enough taking up roster spots during the season, but having to carry them on the postseason roster is annoying.

Draft Dodger · 04-20-2003, 10:55 PM

the WORST part hasn't been mentioned.

if you're in an online league, you can't release the player on your own.

depending on how your league does transactions *cough* *cough*, you could get stuck with a guy for an extra sim, while your recovered player sits on the DL waiting for a roster spot to open up.

Behind Red Doors · 04-20-2003, 11:00 PM

Why doesn't this game have a waiver system? Are they gonna work on one? I think that would be a great addition.

Bears5122 · 04-20-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by Behind Red Doors
Why doesn't this game have a waiver system? Are they gonna work on one? I think that would be a great addition.

I have no clue!!!! Console games even have it and I'd hope a text based sim would be ahead of some console when it comes to realism.

Draft Dodger · 04-20-2003, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Behind Red Doors
Why doesn't this game have a waiver system? Are they gonna work on one? I think that would be a great addition.

probably because of the online leagues.

Behind Red Doors · 04-20-2003, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by Bears5122
I have no clue!!!! Console games even have it and I'd hope a text based sim would be ahead of some console when it comes to realism.

My thoughts exactly.

Wrigley · 04-20-2003, 11:59 PM

Some of the below info was taken from the Baltimore Orioles official website. It may shed some light on this.

4. WAIVERS

A waiver on a Major League Player is defined as "...a permission granted for certain assignments of player contracts or for the unconditional release of a Major League player..."

A Major League Player placed on waivers will have "cleared waivers" if after three business days following waivers have been requested he has not been claimed by another team. If a player "clears waivers", the team has secured waivers on that player for the rest of the waiver period.

A team can do one of three things with a player once he has cleared waivers. They can send him to the minors, for veteran players this must be with the consent of the player , they can release him, making him available to other teams, or they can trade him to another team, regardless of whether or not the trading deadline has passed.
In order for a team to trade a player past the July 31st trading deadline, he must have first cleared waivers.

9. VETERAN PLAYERS

Any player who has been in the major leagues for five full seasons may not be assigned to the minor leagues without his consent.

I'm not sure what status the player(s) we were talking about are as far as veteran status goes, but could this be the answer?

Wrigley

Jack Bauer · 04-21-2003, 12:05 AM

Come on Markus, haven't you added a waiver system, fixed trading, made it so we can sell jerseys at the games, made it so that the game balances my checkbook while I play and takes out the trash?

What a piece of crap this game is.......geez

"The above is not a reflection on how this poster feels about the game but is merely voiced to show that this game doesn't have everything, none do.....but give me a break this game beats all others and will only get better. BUT it takes time, not every feature we can imagine can be added in one version or an update as some seem to think."

Behind Red Doors · 04-21-2003, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jack Bauer
Come on Markus, haven't you added a waiver system, fixed trading, made it so we can sell jerseys at the games, made it so that the game balances my checkbook while I play and takes out the trash?

What a piece of crap this game is.......geez

"The above is not a reflection on how this poster feels about the game but is merely voiced to show that this game doesn't have everything, none do.....but give me a break this game beats all others and will only get better. BUT it takes time, not every feature we can imagine can be added in one version or an update as some seem to think."

Kiefer Sutherland is God.

Bye.

04-20-2003, 04:01 PM	#1
Steve Strzepek of BTTF Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Corning, N.Y. Posts: 171	Players Refusing ASSIGNMENT We just completed the season in our league and are in round one of the playoffs. A playoff team has 29 men on their roster and needs to cut to the 25 man limit for the playoffs. We had expanded to 40 man rosters during September; but now some of the players refuse the assignment to the minors. It indicates they have to be released or remain on the ML roster. Is there any way around this ? This does not happen in the "real" major leagues. How do your leagues handle this ? __________________ Steve Strzepek BTTF Commish <a href="http://www.staudernet.com/bttf" target="_blank">http://www.staudernet.com/bttf</a>

04-20-2003, 04:08 PM	#2
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	It does happen in "real" major leagues. Players have option years during which they can be sent to the minor leagues without consent. After those options run out, the player must be passed through waivers. If the player is not claimed, the player has the option to refuse assignment to the minor leagues and must be kept on the roster, traded, or released. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

04-20-2003, 04:48 PM	#5
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	or, when you call up a AAA guy while someone's on the DL, and then when the DL player comes back, the AAA guy refuses assignment. I give this idea an A+. only a B- for implementation. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

04-20-2003, 05:01 PM	#7
Springtime_for_Hunter All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 846	Still, teams should be free to leave vets off of their postseason rosters without demoting them, right? In MLB, a lot of teams will leave off their fifth starter or last bullpen guy, and they don't get to demand free agency. __________________ "Only the utterly impossible, the inexpressibly fantastic, can ever be plausible again" Red Smith, New York Herald-Tribune, October 4, 1951

04-20-2003, 05:20 PM	#9
Bill II Major Leagues Join Date: May 2002 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 466	Howabout turning the minor league option off on the last day of the season? __________________ Bleeding Pirate Black since 1968! Visit the Great Gload's page. http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gloadro01.shtml

04-20-2003, 04:17 PM	#3
KCRoyalsFan All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 599	I think he means that the people he called up from the minors in september, and just for september, won't go back down.

04-20-2003, 04:55 PM	#6
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	there is no bug or problem. the problem is the user bringin up players that do not want to be in the minors. usually september callups are players that have zero or very little major league experience. So sending them back down to the minors is not a problem. from your problem it sounds as if your league is either too small or filled with too many stars. Or the team has way too many good players in his minor league system, therefore he is hoarding talent. I rather Markus not find a way to help out those teams.

04-20-2003, 05:05 PM	#8
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	if that were the case then we'd have to add in the option of having a postseason roster. meaning we could demote/promote to the Majors during the postseason. Well not during, but after every series...which is how the Majors works. I understand your point though and seriously I don't know how that works so I can't really comment on it.

04-20-2003, 10:50 PM	#12
GeoffP Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 16	This needs to be addressed. Expensive, washed up players with 2 & 3 ratings are bad enough taking up roster spots during the season, but having to carry them on the postseason roster is annoying.

04-20-2003, 10:55 PM	#13
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	the WORST part hasn't been mentioned. if you're in an online league, you can't release the player on your own. depending on how your league does transactions cough cough, you could get stuck with a guy for an extra sim, while your recovered player sits on the DL waiting for a roster spot to open up. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

04-20-2003, 11:00 PM	#14
Behind Red Doors Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 73	Why doesn't this game have a waiver system? Are they gonna work on one? I think that would be a great addition. __________________ <A HREF=http://www.redszone.com>Yeah. Well. Ya know that's just like, uh, your opinion, man. <IMG SRC=http://thechemicalelement.com/heros.jpg BORDER=0></A>

04-20-2003, 11:59 PM	#18
Wrigley Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 47	Some of the below info was taken from the Baltimore Orioles official website. It may shed some light on this. 4. WAIVERS A waiver on a Major League Player is defined as "...a permission granted for certain assignments of player contracts or for the unconditional release of a Major League player..." A Major League Player placed on waivers will have "cleared waivers" if after three business days following waivers have been requested he has not been claimed by another team. If a player "clears waivers", the team has secured waivers on that player for the rest of the waiver period. A team can do one of three things with a player once he has cleared waivers. They can send him to the minors, for veteran players this must be with the consent of the player , they can release him, making him available to other teams, or they can trade him to another team, regardless of whether or not the trading deadline has passed. In order for a team to trade a player past the July 31st trading deadline, he must have first cleared waivers. 9. VETERAN PLAYERS Any player who has been in the major leagues for five full seasons may not be assigned to the minor leagues without his consent. I'm not sure what status the player(s) we were talking about are as far as veteran status goes, but could this be the answer? Wrigley

04-21-2003, 12:05 AM	#19
Jack Bauer 24 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 29	Come on Markus, haven't you added a waiver system, fixed trading, made it so we can sell jerseys at the games, made it so that the game balances my checkbook while I play and takes out the trash? What a piece of crap this game is.......geez "The above is not a reflection on how this poster feels about the game but is merely voiced to show that this game doesn't have everything, none do.....but give me a break this game beats all others and will only get better. BUT it takes time, not every feature we can imagine can be added in one version or an update as some seem to think."