Recalc Rehash

brewertoby · 03-21-2009, 11:15 PM

I posted about a week ago asking about historical drafts to see if real players would eventually show up in the league. Your answers were fantastic, however, it raised more questions in my mind. I think it was tribefan that explained that by using recalc, when these real players come into the league, they should be fairly statistically accurate. I really like this idea, but here are my new questions:

1. What about real players who have had HOF type of starts to their careers that get derailed by injuries. I.E. Teddy Higuerra, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood. What does recalc do to them?

2. What about huge prospects in real life that never made it to the bigs due to injury. I.E. Brien Taylor of 1991. Everyone agreed that he was THE biggest prospect and he got derailed by injury before making it. Does he show up in the draft? Does recalc understand his vast potential that never materialized?

3. What about huge prospects that just sucked I.E Matt Bush? #1 overall pick (if I'm not mistaken) and was awful. Does recalc give him back his potential?

4. I'll just assume that recalc makes a low draft pick that was incredible I.E. mike piazza suddenly a very high draft pick in game.

I guess I'm interested in some of the "what might have been" scenarios, while maintaining some of the integrity of what really was. I expect that pujols and A-roid are going to be at least really good if not dominant like they are in real life. But what about those others? I also understand that the game is going to throw in some random injuries too, so my alternate universe won't completely mimic real life. I like that too.

Oh btw, the reason i have to ask is because I can't do any of this until 10 comes out. My 9 demo ran out and it wouldn't have supported these experiments anyways.

Thanks in advance for your help.

BaseballMan · 03-22-2009, 12:41 AM

1. Most people use a 3 year recalc so you should see Kerry Wood's stats fall. However i beleive that if a player sits out a year and has no stats for one of the years that the game is using for recalculations then the player development takes over.
Something you might want to watch because it can lead to wacky stats for that player. I've seen several pitchers whove had breaks in their career go from 75 k's to 300 while everyone else remains the same. You could probably add a statline in the database so he has stats for that year or manually retire and later unretire him. I dont know of the fastest way to know which players had breaks in careers as that would probably keep your historical league more accurate.

2. I dont think players like Taylor are in the database so they wouldnt be in the game. If he didnt pitch a regular season game then he has no stats and shouldnt be in the lahman database that the game uses.

3. Well the game is gonna calculate ratings based on your league setup. You may hear a lot of people say the game doesnt recognize names. Yes thats true but it does recognize stats. So you shouldnt see Ozzie Smith turning into Babe Ruth because he didnt have the real life stats to match Babe Ruth. So Bush would import and improve based on his real stats. However with recalc off there is a better chance his career might be more different

4. Depends on if you are using base ratings on career totals, peak totals, or rest of career. The game knows Piazza's stats where in real life we didnt know what kind of player he would become. Yeah it may make him a higher pick but would you rather have the AI not recognize his potential and you be able to steal him in a later round in the draft/ To me that would handcuff the AI's drafting and make it too easy for you to get the best players. Look at this way if Piazza's rookie draft were tomorrow do you really think he would be a low pick?

I would plan out how you want to play. Do you want to start at the very begining in 1871, or 1900, or say 1960. Think about how you will expand your league. Setup your league and always make a backup. Then run tests with different settings and see what you like. If you play with free agency off in 1900 for one league you can also try it with it on. Its just a case of you learning what different setups do and how historically accurate it is for you while keeping the game fun.

I would check out the Dynasty forums for the many ways of playing the game. You may not play the game the same way but someone might have something setup a certain way that you might like.

brewertoby · 03-22-2009, 10:35 AM

With regards to the Piazza question, I would certainly expect that he be a very high 1st rounder, but would you still be able to find the hidden gem in the later rounds using recalc or does the reclac basically take away too much of the randomization.

Do you think it would be wise for me to go to the dynasty forum and spell out exactly what I want to see happen and ask for advice on what settings I should use?

Kelric · 03-22-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by brewertoby

With regards to the Piazza question, I would certainly expect that he be a very high 1st rounder, but would you still be able to find the hidden gem in the later rounds using recalc or does the reclac basically take away too much of the randomization.

It'll take away the randomization.

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Do you think it would be wise for me to go to the dynasty forum and spell out exactly what I want to see happen and ask for advice on what settings I should use?

That would be the wrong place to ask. Just ask us here.

BaseballMan · 03-22-2009, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brewertoby

Do you think it would be wise for me to go to the dynasty forum and spell out exactly what I want to see happen and ask for advice on what settings I should use?

Sorry i didnt mean ask for advice there but rather just check out how everybody plays the game different.

03-22-2009, 10:35 AM	#3
brewertoby Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: CC Texas Posts: 138	thanks... With regards to the Piazza question, I would certainly expect that he be a very high 1st rounder, but would you still be able to find the hidden gem in the later rounds using recalc or does the reclac basically take away too much of the randomization. Do you think it would be wise for me to go to the dynasty forum and spell out exactly what I want to see happen and ask for advice on what settings I should use? __________________ Any time OOTP makes an AI mistake, I will just imagine that Ned Yost was coaching the other team.

03-21-2009, 11:15 PM	#1
brewertoby Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: CC Texas Posts: 138	Recalc Rehash I posted about a week ago asking about historical drafts to see if real players would eventually show up in the league. Your answers were fantastic, however, it raised more questions in my mind. I think it was tribefan that explained that by using recalc, when these real players come into the league, they should be fairly statistically accurate. I really like this idea, but here are my new questions: 1. What about real players who have had HOF type of starts to their careers that get derailed by injuries. I.E. Teddy Higuerra, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood. What does recalc do to them? 2. What about huge prospects in real life that never made it to the bigs due to injury. I.E. Brien Taylor of 1991. Everyone agreed that he was THE biggest prospect and he got derailed by injury before making it. Does he show up in the draft? Does recalc understand his vast potential that never materialized? 3. What about huge prospects that just sucked I.E Matt Bush? #1 overall pick (if I'm not mistaken) and was awful. Does recalc give him back his potential? 4. I'll just assume that recalc makes a low draft pick that was incredible I.E. mike piazza suddenly a very high draft pick in game. I guess I'm interested in some of the "what might have been" scenarios, while maintaining some of the integrity of what really was. I expect that pujols and A-roid are going to be at least really good if not dominant like they are in real life. But what about those others? I also understand that the game is going to throw in some random injuries too, so my alternate universe won't completely mimic real life. I like that too. Oh btw, the reason i have to ask is because I can't do any of this until 10 comes out. My 9 demo ran out and it wouldn't have supported these experiments anyways. Thanks in advance for your help. __________________ Any time OOTP makes an AI mistake, I will just imagine that Ned Yost was coaching the other team.

03-22-2009, 12:41 AM	#2
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,646	1. Most people use a 3 year recalc so you should see Kerry Wood's stats fall. However i beleive that if a player sits out a year and has no stats for one of the years that the game is using for recalculations then the player development takes over. Something you might want to watch because it can lead to wacky stats for that player. I've seen several pitchers whove had breaks in their career go from 75 k's to 300 while everyone else remains the same. You could probably add a statline in the database so he has stats for that year or manually retire and later unretire him. I dont know of the fastest way to know which players had breaks in careers as that would probably keep your historical league more accurate. 2. I dont think players like Taylor are in the database so they wouldnt be in the game. If he didnt pitch a regular season game then he has no stats and shouldnt be in the lahman database that the game uses. 3. Well the game is gonna calculate ratings based on your league setup. You may hear a lot of people say the game doesnt recognize names. Yes thats true but it does recognize stats. So you shouldnt see Ozzie Smith turning into Babe Ruth because he didnt have the real life stats to match Babe Ruth. So Bush would import and improve based on his real stats. However with recalc off there is a better chance his career might be more different 4. Depends on if you are using base ratings on career totals, peak totals, or rest of career. The game knows Piazza's stats where in real life we didnt know what kind of player he would become. Yeah it may make him a higher pick but would you rather have the AI not recognize his potential and you be able to steal him in a later round in the draft/ To me that would handcuff the AI's drafting and make it too easy for you to get the best players. Look at this way if Piazza's rookie draft were tomorrow do you really think he would be a low pick? I would plan out how you want to play. Do you want to start at the very begining in 1871, or 1900, or say 1960. Think about how you will expand your league. Setup your league and always make a backup. Then run tests with different settings and see what you like. If you play with free agency off in 1900 for one league you can also try it with it on. Its just a case of you learning what different setups do and how historically accurate it is for you while keeping the game fun. I would check out the Dynasty forums for the many ways of playing the game. You may not play the game the same way but someone might have something setup a certain way that you might like.