TotalMinors Release Set For April 20: ReadMe Attached - Page 3

gpm22 · 04-19-2003, 04:27 PM

GForce, what did you use for minor league statistics? I've seen a few sites, but nothing complete.

bauermj · 04-19-2003, 05:05 PM

is it sunday yet?

GForce22 · 04-19-2003, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gpm22
GForce, what did you use for minor league statistics? I've seen a few sites, but nothing complete.

I had data for the past two years ang got this year's from the BA Almanac.

GH

PocketAces9900 · 04-19-2003, 06:06 PM

I am dying for a releast like right now

I haven't played a game in 2 weeks waiting for your release...

Can't wait for it to come...

Bears5122 · 04-19-2003, 06:21 PM

Just curious, but are any of the ratings going to really be changed in this version from the previous one. I know there were a few guys here and there, but otherwise is it all going to be the same?

GForce22 · 04-19-2003, 06:34 PM

bears,

not sure how much to classify it as far as guys still in from 1.1. I guess 10-15% changed, maybe 20%.

GH

Bears5122 · 04-19-2003, 07:19 PM

Thanks man, I'm looking forward to it. When I get some money in my Paypal account from auctions I'm going to throw some your way. You make the game really enjoyable.

GForce22 · 04-19-2003, 07:29 PM

thanks a lot. I appreciate it.

OK, I think I can fix the veterans issue for 2003, I'm just not sure I can have any control over beyond that.

Basically, the guys I noticed (Clemens, Wells, Maddux, R. Johnson, Schilling) were adjusted and their ratings were bumped even more than I originally gave them. They no longer get cut, but they still aren't as good as they should be. I can bump them more to get them fairly accurate for 2003, but once it rolls to 2004 I don't think there's much I can do.

I am going to attempt a little something to fix this...I will develop a mini-csv of veterans for each of the next 3 years (through 2006). Since the player ID's stay the same, if you input this before each of the subsequent seasons, it SHOULD give them over-high ratings, which will be negated by the age factor and yield a midpoint result of an aging player getting gradually worse.

What I need is for guys to tell me who they notice this happening with other than guys I've mentioned. I just went initially by guys who got cut. I've fixed the cuts, now I need to adjust the quality of the player. Let me know who you see here and I'll do what I can to remedy the situation.

This and a little more of a Coors Field stat adjustment are the last things I need to take care of I believe.

GH

GCrusher23 · 04-19-2003, 08:04 PM

If you're talking about guys who will be old in the next 3 years and should still be good, I'm guessing Sosa (34), Bagwell (34), and Mussina (34).

Matthew · 04-19-2003, 08:24 PM

Since I primarily play the Reds - guys I have seen this happen to are Larkin, Rijo, Harnish and in one rare case I saw it happen to Stinnett (not sure why).

Looking forward to an Easter treat with these!

Matthew

GForce22 · 04-19-2003, 09:30 PM

ok, I will catch who I have time for. What I ask is after it's released tomorrow, sim and test it before you start a real season and look for older guys who get cut, are worse than they should be in 2003, who I may miss/not get to. I'll issue an immediate csv update Monday or Tuesday for them, then get to the next 3-year guys like Sosa, Bagwell, etc. by the end of the week.

GH

GForce22 · 04-19-2003, 10:44 PM

ok, the guys put up better numbers but still got cut. Clemens, Wells, Maddux all below 4.5 ERAs (still too high) were all cut at some point. And Jose Contreras, who I toned down a bit but is still solid with a chance to be excellent, was cut before the season started.

I believe this has to do more with money than anything else. If I start the teams with more cash, could this help?

GH

Bears5122 · 04-19-2003, 10:50 PM

I don't know but it seems like Sosa is just trash on these rosters. He hits like .250 with like 35 homers everytime I've simmed. Then the following year hits like .200 all the way down to when he falls off the face of the earth. Guys like Giles and Magglio are rated much better then him. I know I'm a homer fan and all but Sosa is arguably one of the best hitters in baseball. He is extremely consistent and for the most part will hit close to .300 and knock in 50 homers no problem. He had an off year last year and missed some games due to injury and family issues and still hit 50. Maybe I'm wrong but he should be just a step under where Bonds is in the game. The guy has hit the most homeruns out of any player in the past 5 years by far.

x94blair3 · 04-19-2003, 11:04 PM

I don't agree with that assessment at all. "hit about .300 and 50 home runs no problem". Sosa's always been a free swinger, although his patience has improved, and I don't think 50 homeruns are a gimme.

Just my two cents.

My guess however if you'd read the readme is a discussion that gforce has bias towards patience at the plate which I can see the formula's holding against Sosa. Especially with the age factored in.

I suppose you could edit him yourself to get the desired results.

-Nick

Bears5122 · 04-19-2003, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by x94blair3
I don't agree with that assessment at all. "hit about .300 and 50 home runs no problem". Sosa's always been a free swinger, although his patience has improved, and I don't think 50 homeruns are a gimme.

Just my two cents.

My guess however if you'd read the readme is a discussion that gforce has bias towards patience at the plate which I can see the formula's holding against Sosa. Especially with the age factored in.

I suppose you could edit him yourself to get the desired results.

-Nick

Over the past 5 years, which I would consider his "prime" he has averaged 58 homeruns a year with a .300 average. He has walked well over 100 times the past couple seasons and is on pace to walk 200 times this season. I think that's pretty good patience. He strikes out a good amount but nowhere near what he used to.

I Am The Game · 04-19-2003, 11:34 PM

Alright alright. We had a Sosa bashing thread somewhere else lol. Anyway..

Good work GForce, glad to see the rosters coming out on time. Should squash the doubters.

bauermj · 04-19-2003, 11:54 PM

Sammy Sosa:

Avg vs LHP
2002: .366
2001: .387
2000: .347
(55/30/15 Weighted Average): .369

Avg vs RHP
2002: .270
2001: .316
2000: .313
(55/30/15 Weighted Average): .290

HR vs LHP
2002: 11 (101 AB)
2001: 13 (93 AB)
2000: 8 (124 AB)
(55/30/15 Weighted Average out of 550 AB): 61

HR vs RHP
2002: 38 (455 AB)
2001: 51 (484 AB)
2000: 42 (480 AB)
(55/30/15 Weighted Average out of 550 AB): 50

twitty90 · 04-20-2003, 12:16 AM

As of this message, it is 15 minutes into Sunday, EST.

Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait...

Squonk · 04-20-2003, 12:21 AM

..

You know I am a huge supporter of yours, GForce.

I don't post much. But I do read a lot.

As far as older veterans in the future, I really, truly would not stress on it.

Are we supposed to judge you and your roster making capabilities on your prescient capacities? Do they call you "Kreskin" a lot?

I see it as this, very plain ... very simple:

-You make the best d*m rosters I've ever seen

-They are accurate as h*ll for Opening Day 2003

-Beyond that ... anything can happen ... real world or with your rosters

Isn't that part of the charm of playing OOTP as opposed to Diamond Mind or ... whatever that other one is called ... the "replay" games?

You make the best roster you can for Opening Day 2003

Then let the future begin.

That's my take.

SQ

..

magicmike · 04-20-2003, 12:29 AM

Squonk, you make some excellent points. I think it is, however, indicative of GeForce's commitment to his roster project that he's attempting to tweak his set to "fix" a game issue which has concerned a few folks. It's that kind of commitment that has resulted in the best d*mn roster set made, anytime, anywhere. Don't reign him in! Go for it G!

04-19-2003, 05:05 PM	#42
bauermj Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 179	is it sunday yet? __________________ Commissioner / Cubs Owner Rounding-Third Baseball League (R3BL) www.rounding-third.com Indianapolis Outlaws PFBL Houston Astros Massena

04-19-2003, 06:06 PM	#44
PocketAces9900 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 140	I am dying for a releast like right now I haven't played a game in 2 weeks waiting for your release... Can't wait for it to come... __________________ MBLMontreal Expos SSBL New York Mets

04-19-2003, 08:24 PM	#50
Matthew Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 54	Since I primarily play the Reds - guys I have seen this happen to are Larkin, Rijo, Harnish and in one rare case I saw it happen to Stinnett (not sure why). Looking forward to an Easter treat with these! Matthew __________________ ================================== Matto www.mattowebs.com ==================================

04-19-2003, 11:04 PM	#54
x94blair3 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 99	I don't agree with that assessment at all. "hit about .300 and 50 home runs no problem". Sosa's always been a free swinger, although his patience has improved, and I don't think 50 homeruns are a gimme. Just my two cents. My guess however if you'd read the readme is a discussion that gforce has bias towards patience at the plate which I can see the formula's holding against Sosa. Especially with the age factored in. I suppose you could edit him yourself to get the desired results. -Nick __________________ Pudge, R. White, Guillen, Vina, J. Johnson, Urbina....maybe Illitch remembered he owns a baseball team. Either that or he expects a looooonnnnggg NHL holdout.

04-19-2003, 11:54 PM	#57
bauermj Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 179	Sammy Sosa: Avg vs LHP 2002: .366 2001: .387 2000: .347 (55/30/15 Weighted Average): .369 Avg vs RHP 2002: .270 2001: .316 2000: .313 (55/30/15 Weighted Average): .290 HR vs LHP 2002: 11 (101 AB) 2001: 13 (93 AB) 2000: 8 (124 AB) (55/30/15 Weighted Average out of 550 AB): 61 HR vs RHP 2002: 38 (455 AB) 2001: 51 (484 AB) 2000: 42 (480 AB) (55/30/15 Weighted Average out of 550 AB): 50 __________________ Commissioner / Cubs Owner Rounding-Third Baseball League (R3BL) www.rounding-third.com Indianapolis Outlaws PFBL Houston Astros Massena

04-19-2003, 04:27 PM	#41
gpm22 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 513	GForce, what did you use for minor league statistics? I've seen a few sites, but nothing complete.

04-19-2003, 06:21 PM	#45
Bears5122 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 850	Just curious, but are any of the ratings going to really be changed in this version from the previous one. I know there were a few guys here and there, but otherwise is it all going to be the same?

04-19-2003, 06:34 PM	#46
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	bears, not sure how much to classify it as far as guys still in from 1.1. I guess 10-15% changed, maybe 20%. GH

04-19-2003, 07:19 PM	#47
Bears5122 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 850	Thanks man, I'm looking forward to it. When I get some money in my Paypal account from auctions I'm going to throw some your way. You make the game really enjoyable.

04-19-2003, 07:29 PM	#48
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	thanks a lot. I appreciate it. OK, I think I can fix the veterans issue for 2003, I'm just not sure I can have any control over beyond that. Basically, the guys I noticed (Clemens, Wells, Maddux, R. Johnson, Schilling) were adjusted and their ratings were bumped even more than I originally gave them. They no longer get cut, but they still aren't as good as they should be. I can bump them more to get them fairly accurate for 2003, but once it rolls to 2004 I don't think there's much I can do. I am going to attempt a little something to fix this...I will develop a mini-csv of veterans for each of the next 3 years (through 2006). Since the player ID's stay the same, if you input this before each of the subsequent seasons, it SHOULD give them over-high ratings, which will be negated by the age factor and yield a midpoint result of an aging player getting gradually worse. What I need is for guys to tell me who they notice this happening with other than guys I've mentioned. I just went initially by guys who got cut. I've fixed the cuts, now I need to adjust the quality of the player. Let me know who you see here and I'll do what I can to remedy the situation. This and a little more of a Coors Field stat adjustment are the last things I need to take care of I believe. GH

04-19-2003, 08:04 PM	#49
GCrusher23 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 126	If you're talking about guys who will be old in the next 3 years and should still be good, I'm guessing Sosa (34), Bagwell (34), and Mussina (34).

04-19-2003, 09:30 PM	#51
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	ok, I will catch who I have time for. What I ask is after it's released tomorrow, sim and test it before you start a real season and look for older guys who get cut, are worse than they should be in 2003, who I may miss/not get to. I'll issue an immediate csv update Monday or Tuesday for them, then get to the next 3-year guys like Sosa, Bagwell, etc. by the end of the week. GH

04-19-2003, 10:44 PM	#52
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	ok, the guys put up better numbers but still got cut. Clemens, Wells, Maddux all below 4.5 ERAs (still too high) were all cut at some point. And Jose Contreras, who I toned down a bit but is still solid with a chance to be excellent, was cut before the season started. I believe this has to do more with money than anything else. If I start the teams with more cash, could this help? GH

04-19-2003, 10:50 PM	#53
Bears5122 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 850	I don't know but it seems like Sosa is just trash on these rosters. He hits like .250 with like 35 homers everytime I've simmed. Then the following year hits like .200 all the way down to when he falls off the face of the earth. Guys like Giles and Magglio are rated much better then him. I know I'm a homer fan and all but Sosa is arguably one of the best hitters in baseball. He is extremely consistent and for the most part will hit close to .300 and knock in 50 homers no problem. He had an off year last year and missed some games due to injury and family issues and still hit 50. Maybe I'm wrong but he should be just a step under where Bonds is in the game. The guy has hit the most homeruns out of any player in the past 5 years by far.

04-19-2003, 11:34 PM	#56
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	Alright alright. We had a Sosa bashing thread somewhere else lol. Anyway.. Good work GForce, glad to see the rosters coming out on time. Should squash the doubters.

04-20-2003, 12:16 AM	#58
twitty90 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 10	As of this message, it is 15 minutes into Sunday, EST. Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait...

04-20-2003, 12:21 AM	#59
Squonk Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 52	.. You know I am a huge supporter of yours, GForce. I don't post much. But I do read a lot. As far as older veterans in the future, I really, truly would not stress on it. Are we supposed to judge you and your roster making capabilities on your prescient capacities? Do they call you "Kreskin" a lot? I see it as this, very plain ... very simple: -You make the best dm rosters I've ever seen -They are accurate as hll for Opening Day 2003 -Beyond that ... anything can happen ... real world or with your rosters Isn't that part of the charm of playing OOTP as opposed to Diamond Mind or ... whatever that other one is called ... the "replay" games? You make the best roster you can for Opening Day 2003 Then let the future begin. That's my take. SQ ..

04-20-2003, 12:29 AM	#60
magicmike Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hawaii Posts: 365	Squonk, you make some excellent points. I think it is, however, indicative of GeForce's commitment to his roster project that he's attempting to tweak his set to "fix" a game issue which has concerned a few folks. It's that kind of commitment that has resulted in the best dmn roster set made, anytime, anywhere. Don't reign him in! Go for it G! __________________ aloha and mahalo HCBL Kansas City Royals 2003 AL Central Champs* SMLB Houston Astros VLB Anaheim Angels UBL Pittsburgh Pirates "Barry Bonds? I'll tell you what, if he hit a home run off (Bob) Gibson or (Don) Drysdale and stood and admired it, they'd knock that earring out of his ear the next time up." - National League Umpire Doug Harvey