New Trade Screen - Page 2

twins15 · 04-15-2003, 09:58 PM

I just want to add something. I was just able to get the #1 pitching prospect, Jesse Foppert, 22 years old, for Lew Ford, 26 years old, a 1 Star minor leaguer that is on the Twins. So, it is not just that you can trade bad veterans for great prospects, but I was able to trade a bad prospect for a good prosepct.

holyroller · 04-15-2003, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by KCRoyalsFan
You don't think they are aware that it needs to be addressed?

Why are you arguing?

Antonin · 04-15-2003, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Sweed
Why not just make trades that you believe are fair and based in some kind of reality? I think you'll find your solo game to be much more enjoyable

I used to have "issues" with how trading works in STB2k3 and OOTP5, but now I approach things the way Sweed suggests, and I'm generally satisfied with the results.

If I have a guy or two to deal, I just find a team that 1) has a hole my guy can fill and 2) has a guy that I need. Sometimes they won't deal, but sometimes they will.

My basic approach to trading is just "try to get what you need and don't try to take advantage of the AI." Works for me and it "feels" realistic.

Just my 2 cents.

MrWorkrate · 04-15-2003, 10:10 PM

I'll save some trouble.

Person one: The trading AI is too easy.
Person two: The trading AI is too hard.
Person three: I agree with #1. This is broken, fix it.
Person four: I agree with #2. This is broken, fix it.
Person five: I think it's fine.
Persons 1-4: You're wrong. It's obviously broken. This sucks. Fix it.
Persons 2 and 4: Yeah, because I'd like to be able to make a trade.
Persons 1 and 3: What are you talking about? I can make any trade I want. I can make trades I don't want. I can make trades without turning on the computer. FLAWED!
Person six: Why don't you try only making trades you think are fair?
Person 1: Because the game is broken, and it needs to be fixed. I shouldn't have to make my own rules. It should be fixed the way I want it, making trading harder.
Person 3: Absolutely.
Persons 2 and 4: NO! EASIER! My god, I haven't made a trade in 27 seasons.
Persons 1 and 3: HARDER!
Persons 2 and 4: EASIER!
Persons 1 and 3: HARDER!
Persons 2 and 4: EASIER!
Persons 1 and 3: HARDER!
Persons 2 and 4: EASIER!
Person 5: I still think it's fine. I don't know what you guys are talking about.
Persons 1-4: Fanboy.
Person 5: Malcontent.

[Rince. Repeat.]

Matthew · 04-15-2003, 10:14 PM

Did I start this????

It's all in how you play the game.

KCRoyalsFan · 04-15-2003, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by holyroller
Why are you arguing?

I'm not. I'm just stating that this trade bug with the prospects values and stuff has been talked about on numerous occasions.

Steve Kuffrey · 04-15-2003, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by MrWorkrate
I'll save some trouble.

Person one: The trading AI is too easy.
Person two: The trading AI is too hard.
Person three: I agree with #1. This is broken, fix it.
Person four: I agree with #2. This is broken, fix it.
Person five: I think it's fine.
Persons 1-4: You're wrong. It's obviously broken. This sucks. Fix it.
Persons 2 and 4: Yeah, because I'd like to be able to make a trade.
Persons 1 and 3: What are you talking about? I can make any trade I want. I can make trades I don't want. I can make trades without turning on the computer. FLAWED!
Person six: Why don't you try only making trades you think are fair?
Person 1: Because the game is broken, and it needs to be fixed. I shouldn't have to make my own rules. It should be fixed the way I want it, making trading harder.
Person 3: Absolutely.
Persons 2 and 4: NO! EASIER! My god, I haven't made a trade in 27 seasons.
Persons 1 and 3: HARDER!
Persons 2 and 4: EASIER!
Persons 1 and 3: HARDER!
Persons 2 and 4: EASIER!
Persons 1 and 3: HARDER!
Persons 2 and 4: EASIER!
Person 5: I still think it's fine. I don't know what you guys are talking about.
Persons 1-4: Fanboy.
Person 5: Malcontent.

[Rince. Repeat.]

Truer words have NEVER been spoken.

morningstar8 · 04-15-2003, 10:23 PM

I love the game, and I appreciate most of the 5.10 fixes. I was really happy with this patch...until I hit the trading screen.

A good part of the enjoyment of this game for me is the challenge of gradually improving my team through trades. 5.10 just makes it too easy. I'll be going back to 5.01 until the next update

KCRoyalsFan · 04-15-2003, 10:23 PM

While those words are true Steve, I have to agree twins said about his trade. That one was obviously messed up.

Sweed · 04-15-2003, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrWorkrate
I'll save some trouble.

Person one: The trading AI is too easy.
Person two: The trading AI is too hard.
Person three: I agree with #1. This is broken, fix it.
Person four: I agree with #2. This is broken, fix it.
Person five: I think it's fine.
Persons 1-4: You're wrong. It's obviously broken. This sucks. Fix it.
Persons 2 and 4: Yeah, because I'd like to be able to make a trade.
Persons 1 and 3: What are you talking about? I can make any trade I want. I can make trades I don't want. I can make trades without turning on the computer. FLAWED!
Person six: Why don't you try only making trades you think are fair?
Person 1: Because the game is broken, and it needs to be fixed. I shouldn't have to make my own rules. It should be fixed the way I want it, making trading harder.
Person 3: Absolutely.
Persons 2 and 4: NO! EASIER! My god, I haven't made a trade in 27 seasons.
Persons 1 and 3: HARDER!
Persons 2 and 4: EASIER!
Persons 1 and 3: HARDER!
Persons 2 and 4: EASIER!
Persons 1 and 3: HARDER!
Persons 2 and 4: EASIER!
Person 5: I still think it's fine. I don't know what you guys are talking about.
Persons 1-4: Fanboy.
Person 5: Malcontent.

[Rince. Repeat.]

MrW, you didn't give a label to me, #6

but you do make my point. It just goes on and on....

and of course soon you'll be hearing from the "I didn't say it was (hard)..(easy)..crowd I just want it to be logical

Steve Kuffrey · 04-15-2003, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by KCRoyalsFan
While those words are true Steve, I have to agree twins said about his trade. That one was obviously messed up.

I'm not questioning that at all, I just feel that it would take an "act of God" to make trading AI that folks agree on. I don't care how long you spend on it or if that is the only thing you program and try to sell. MrWorkrates statement will be true when the next patch comes out and when OOTP8 comes out. I have learned the "nature of the beast".

KCRoyalsFan · 04-15-2003, 10:33 PM

The goal, however, is to limit the number of people complaining. That is a tough task, but possible.

MrWorkrate · 04-15-2003, 10:37 PM

That'd take a lot of ammunition.

KCRoyalsFan · 04-15-2003, 10:44 PM

lol

x94blair3 · 04-15-2003, 11:29 PM

*edit*. I can't believe I spent so much time on this post and it offers nothing to this discussion...It wasn't offensive but there's just no point. I trust that with or without my example and points Markus will continue improving this feature.

*deleted all from before*.

Sorry about that.

-Nick

morningstar8 · 04-16-2003, 01:25 AM

I've just changed my mind.

I'm going to make a copy of my current league, than go on with 5.10, trying my usual best to get good trades. Maybe the AI knows something I don't?! Maybe the other team has a cruddy scout, or one that has just misjudged a player...or maybe those criticisms apply to my scout.

In any case, Markus & Company's updates have been pretty solid so far (OOTP4/5), so I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. I'll keep that copy around, though, just in case my team starts slaughtering the opposition.l

MizzouRah · 04-16-2003, 10:22 AM

I think we can all agree that trading is definitly something that's a matter of opinion. I really like the new interface, in fact, we're almost to my favorite trading interface: Front Page Sports series where you select a player, hit a button and a list of players the other teams would trade for that particular player came up. This is close, but you have to click on every team to 'shop' the player.

That being said, the trading seems really messed up and I think it has to do with the AI evaluating stats more than ratings now, which is good for vets, but not rookies. Hopefully Markus can tighten this up a bit.

I'm not going to 'evaluate' every trade to see if it was fair or not, I don't have the time and that's not why I bought the game. Maybe I'm wrong here, only time will tell.

I'll evaluate my recent trade later on in the year, he's on my player tracker!

Todd

Henry · 04-16-2003, 02:41 PM

Maybe Markus should come out with 2 or 3 versions each year with different options and different screens. That way, you could pick the one you want to use until he comes out with three more next year ?!?!?!

.....oh wait... that's exactly what he is doing now

(problem is some people are never satisfied)

Henry

kcjoe · 04-16-2003, 05:15 PM

I think the new trade screen is a large improvement over the old.
I try (not always successfully) to keep my trades in a realistic mode. Theres no real fun in taking advantage of the computer.
i also agree that no trade system will ever satisfy everyone.

KCRoyalsFan · 04-16-2003, 07:18 PM

IMO there should be trading toggle button.

Hard trades, medium trades, and easy trading.

04-15-2003, 09:58 PM	#21
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	I just want to add something. I was just able to get the #1 pitching prospect, Jesse Foppert, 22 years old, for Lew Ford, 26 years old, a 1 Star minor leaguer that is on the Twins. So, it is not just that you can trade bad veterans for great prospects, but I was able to trade a bad prospect for a good prosepct. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

04-15-2003, 10:10 PM	#24
MrWorkrate All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,262	I'll save some trouble. Person one: The trading AI is too easy. Person two: The trading AI is too hard. Person three: I agree with #1. This is broken, fix it. Person four: I agree with #2. This is broken, fix it. Person five: I think it's fine. Persons 1-4: You're wrong. It's obviously broken. This sucks. Fix it. Persons 2 and 4: Yeah, because I'd like to be able to make a trade. Persons 1 and 3: What are you talking about? I can make any trade I want. I can make trades I don't want. I can make trades without turning on the computer. FLAWED! Person six: Why don't you try only making trades you think are fair? Person 1: Because the game is broken, and it needs to be fixed. I shouldn't have to make my own rules. It should be fixed the way I want it, making trading harder. Person 3: Absolutely. Persons 2 and 4: NO! EASIER! My god, I haven't made a trade in 27 seasons. Persons 1 and 3: HARDER! Persons 2 and 4: EASIER! Persons 1 and 3: HARDER! Persons 2 and 4: EASIER! Persons 1 and 3: HARDER! Persons 2 and 4: EASIER! Person 5: I still think it's fine. I don't know what you guys are talking about. Persons 1-4: Fanboy. Person 5: Malcontent. [Rince. Repeat.] __________________ I used to come here a lot. Now, not so much.

04-15-2003, 10:14 PM	#25
Matthew Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 54	Did I start this???? It's all in how you play the game. __________________ ================================== Matto www.mattowebs.com ==================================

04-15-2003, 10:23 PM	#28
morningstar8 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 82	ruins the challenge for me I love the game, and I appreciate most of the 5.10 fixes. I was really happy with this patch...until I hit the trading screen. A good part of the enjoyment of this game for me is the challenge of gradually improving my team through trades. 5.10 just makes it too easy. I'll be going back to 5.01 until the next update

04-15-2003, 10:37 PM	#33
MrWorkrate All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,262	That'd take a lot of ammunition. __________________ I used to come here a lot. Now, not so much.

04-15-2003, 10:23 PM	#29
KCRoyalsFan All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 599	While those words are true Steve, I have to agree twins said about his trade. That one was obviously messed up.

04-15-2003, 10:33 PM	#32
KCRoyalsFan All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 599	The goal, however, is to limit the number of people complaining. That is a tough task, but possible.

04-15-2003, 10:44 PM	#34
KCRoyalsFan All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 599	lol

04-15-2003, 11:29 PM	#35
x94blair3 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 99	My two cents...only worth one of course edit. I can't believe I spent so much time on this post and it offers nothing to this discussion...It wasn't offensive but there's just no point. I trust that with or without my example and points Markus will continue improving this feature. deleted all from before. Sorry about that. -Nick __________________ Pudge, R. White, Guillen, Vina, J. Johnson, Urbina....maybe Illitch remembered he owns a baseball team. Either that or he expects a looooonnnnggg NHL holdout. Last edited by x94blair3; 04-15-2003 at 11:32 PM.

04-16-2003, 01:25 AM	#36
morningstar8 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 82	I've just changed my mind. I'm going to make a copy of my current league, than go on with 5.10, trying my usual best to get good trades. Maybe the AI knows something I don't?! Maybe the other team has a cruddy scout, or one that has just misjudged a player...or maybe those criticisms apply to my scout. In any case, Markus & Company's updates have been pretty solid so far (OOTP4/5), so I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. I'll keep that copy around, though, just in case my team starts slaughtering the opposition.l

04-16-2003, 10:22 AM	#37
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,266	I think we can all agree that trading is definitly something that's a matter of opinion. I really like the new interface, in fact, we're almost to my favorite trading interface: Front Page Sports series where you select a player, hit a button and a list of players the other teams would trade for that particular player came up. This is close, but you have to click on every team to 'shop' the player. That being said, the trading seems really messed up and I think it has to do with the AI evaluating stats more than ratings now, which is good for vets, but not rookies. Hopefully Markus can tighten this up a bit. I'm not going to 'evaluate' every trade to see if it was fair or not, I don't have the time and that's not why I bought the game. Maybe I'm wrong here, only time will tell. I'll evaluate my recent trade later on in the year, he's on my player tracker! Todd

04-16-2003, 02:41 PM	#38
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Maybe Markus should come out with 2 or 3 versions each year with different options and different screens. That way, you could pick the one you want to use until he comes out with three more next year ?!?!?! .....oh wait... that's exactly what he is doing now (problem is some people are never satisfied) Henry

04-16-2003, 05:15 PM	#39
kcjoe Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Scranton, PA Posts: 45	I think the new trade screen is a large improvement over the old. I try (not always successfully) to keep my trades in a realistic mode. Theres no real fun in taking advantage of the computer. i also agree that no trade system will ever satisfy everyone.

04-16-2003, 07:18 PM	#40
KCRoyalsFan All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 599	IMO there should be trading toggle button. Hard trades, medium trades, and easy trading.