2008-09 NHL Season Thread - Page 17

canadiancreed · 12-03-2008, 01:48 PM

The media would have to start focusing on skill at the sport, not for being a asshat first. Dont' expect that to change anytime soon.

On mroe relevant news (and to put my previous statement into action a little), looks like we have our third victim coach wise, and a familiar face back behind the bench. Guess being the coach of the Laffs doesn't equal the black spot after all.

NHL.com - News: Hurricanes name Maurice to replace Laviolette - 12/03/2008

Bluenoser · 12-18-2008, 07:21 PM

Well look who finally made his mind up:

Sundin agrees to deal with Canucks

Erik W. · 12-19-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

Well look who finally made his mind up:

Sundin agrees to deal with Canucks

Good. Maybe we can stop hearing about his wishy-washy ass constantly.

canadiancreed · 12-19-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

Good. Maybe we can stop hearing about his wishy-washy ass constantly.

No kidding. The Brett Favre of the NHL fits that guy as of late.

Bluenoser · 12-21-2008, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

Good. Maybe we can stop hearing about his wishy-washy ass constantly.

The reason you hear about his wishy washy ass all the time is not because of Mats Sundin. It's because of the idiotic media system we have and how it constantly hounds the guy and has to publish a big deal update every week because they haven't got anything else usefull to sell the public.

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

No kidding. The Brett Favre of the NHL fits that guy as of late.

Same thing here, as with most athletes, it's not the individual, it's the wishy washy media.

Kekkonen · 12-21-2008, 09:56 AM

I haven't had the chance to watch an NHL game in a long while, but last night I sat down and watched the Caps vs. Flyers game. That was a weird one; it's not often you see a team outshoot the opposition 48 to 28 (with plenty of real scoring chances among those 48 shots) and lose 1-7. Niittymäki was awesome (and Johnson and Theodore at the other end weren't).

Long_Long_Name · 12-21-2008, 12:34 PM

And Nitti sucked versus Montréal a few days ago.

In any case, I hope Patrice Bergeron isn't in danger. We have hear a very talented guy, who plays an admirable brand of hockey and is the best forward on his team. Seeing him go down with a serious injury once was awful, but a second knock to the head, that was painful to watch.

Big Hugg · 12-21-2008, 06:11 PM

Derick Brassard's out for the season.

It's just so fun being a Blue Jackets fan.

Long_Long_Name · 12-21-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Hugg

Derick Brassard's out for the season.

It's just so fun being a Blue Jackets fan.

I can't imagine it being fun in the first place, but... ouch.

Afino · 12-22-2008, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

The reason you hear about his wishy washy ass all the time is not because of Mats Sundin. It's because of the idiotic media system we have and how it constantly hounds the guy and has to publish a big deal update every week because they haven't got anything else usefull to sell the public.

Same thing here, as with most athletes, it's not the individual, it's the wishy washy media.

Yeah - I don't think Sundin wanted this more than TSN/Sportsnet did.

Now what the hell are they going to talk about until the trade deadline?

Muppetus Galacticus · 12-24-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Afino

Yeah - I don't think Sundin wanted this more than TSN/Sportsnet did.

Now what the hell are they going to talk about until the trade deadline?

Forsberg.

Bluenoser · 01-02-2009, 10:35 AM

Not NHL related, but a hockey storey I've been following, which came to a tragic ending Friday.

Dunlops' Sanderson passes away as a result of head trauma

Long_Long_Name · 01-05-2009, 01:58 AM

I think an idea the NHL might have to entertain is the presentation of the all-star game outside. The "Winter Classic" gets a much higher profile than the All-Star Game, and since the NHL is desperately looking for an identity for its all-star game, well, we might have a winner. Plus, it gets rid of one of the arguments against playing outside, that being that the game "counts". Finally, the all-star break during the holidays would probably be popular with the players and the teams' staffs.

That said, there are obviously some down sides. First, you can difficultly have them in half the markets. Second, I suppose it loses the NHL some revenue.

I'd also like to say that fan voting is not that fantastic. I'm a Canadien fan, and it has 4 players in the Eastern starting lineup. Alexei Kovalev has no business being on the all-star team, and Carey Price, while one of the top 5 goaltenders in the East, and probably all-star worthy, has not been the most deserving this year. That said, I don't have a problem with either Andrei Markov or Mike Komisarek - I believe that they are respectively the best defender and the best stay-at-home defenseman in the Eastern Conference.

silvam14 · 01-14-2009, 10:37 AM

Ahhh, another great victory last night for my B's. Bruins keep rolling along....

rudel.dietrich · 01-28-2009, 05:50 PM

I thought I would put this argument out on the table. It was between me and one of my office mates. Two guys who follow the NHL but cannot get to see very many of the games.
Who is the better player? Crosby or Ovechkin?

We realize they are two different styles of players. One is more there to support his teammates and one is more there to score goals and then support his teammates.
But which one is better to build a franchise around?

canadiancreed · 01-28-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

I thought I would put this argument out on the table. It was between me and one of my office mates. Two guys who follow the NHL but cannot get to see very many of the games.
Who is the better player? Crosby or Ovechkin?

We realize they are two different styles of players. One is more there to support his teammates and one is more there to score goals and then support his teammates.
But which one is better to build a franchise around?

Botha re the same to build a team around IMO. One player does not a team make. Just look at Vincent Lacalvier.

As for whose better, both bring a scoring punch, good passing, and what not so it boils down the their accomplishments to date. In that area Crosby is leading the pack.

Long_Long_Name · 01-28-2009, 10:27 PM

If I had to build a franchise around any player in the NHL, I'd pick Carey Price. Why? He's the best young goaltender in the NHL, and no player can have a bigger impact on your team than a goaltender. If I had to build a team for the next 2-3 years, I'd pick Roberto Luongo, the best goaltender in the NHL.

As for Ovechkin/Crosby, well, I'll put it this way: I'd build my franchise around Crosby before Ovechkin, but I think that Ovechkin, right now, is a better player. It's not much of a Lemieux/Gretzky comparison (a better one would be Malkin/Crosby; Malkin is just as good as the other two), but yes, they play a different style, and you can't really go wrong with either. It's like Lemieux/Gretzky - I think Lemieux was a far superior athlete and an overall just slightly better player than Gretzky, but I'd build my team around Gretzky if I had to pick.

canadiancreed · 01-28-2009, 11:29 PM

Agree with Price, not just because of the fact that I support the Habs, but also because if your'e going to put a great player on your team, he goalie is the place to go. A great scorer in a team of average players wont' get you as far as a great goalie will.

Big Hugg · 01-29-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

A great scorer in a team of average players wont' get you as far as a great goalie will.

Currently being proven by Rick Nash & Steve Mason

Afino · 02-01-2009, 01:33 PM

I love Habs fans. I really do.

Give me Malkin or give me death. I do agree with LLN that Ovechkin is a better PLAYER than both of them at this time, but I'd take both Malkin and Crosby before Ovie if I'm drafting a team from scratch.

Goalies grow on trees, and you can always build a trap (sorry, SYSTEM) around them. Right, Steve Mason?

12-21-2008, 12:34 PM	#327
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	And Nitti sucked versus Montréal a few days ago. In any case, I hope Patrice Bergeron isn't in danger. We have hear a very talented guy, who plays an admirable brand of hockey and is the best forward on his team. Seeing him go down with a serious injury once was awful, but a second knock to the head, that was painful to watch. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

01-05-2009, 01:58 AM	#333
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	I think an idea the NHL might have to entertain is the presentation of the all-star game outside. The "Winter Classic" gets a much higher profile than the All-Star Game, and since the NHL is desperately looking for an identity for its all-star game, well, we might have a winner. Plus, it gets rid of one of the arguments against playing outside, that being that the game "counts". Finally, the all-star break during the holidays would probably be popular with the players and the teams' staffs. That said, there are obviously some down sides. First, you can difficultly have them in half the markets. Second, I suppose it loses the NHL some revenue. I'd also like to say that fan voting is not that fantastic. I'm a Canadien fan, and it has 4 players in the Eastern starting lineup. Alexei Kovalev has no business being on the all-star team, and Carey Price, while one of the top 5 goaltenders in the East, and probably all-star worthy, has not been the most deserving this year. That said, I don't have a problem with either Andrei Markov or Mike Komisarek - I believe that they are respectively the best defender and the best stay-at-home defenseman in the Eastern Conference. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

01-14-2009, 10:37 AM	#334
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 9,927	Ahhh, another great victory last night for my B's. Bruins keep rolling along.... __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

01-28-2009, 10:27 PM	#337
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	If I had to build a franchise around any player in the NHL, I'd pick Carey Price. Why? He's the best young goaltender in the NHL, and no player can have a bigger impact on your team than a goaltender. If I had to build a team for the next 2-3 years, I'd pick Roberto Luongo, the best goaltender in the NHL. As for Ovechkin/Crosby, well, I'll put it this way: I'd build my franchise around Crosby before Ovechkin, but I think that Ovechkin, right now, is a better player. It's not much of a Lemieux/Gretzky comparison (a better one would be Malkin/Crosby; Malkin is just as good as the other two), but yes, they play a different style, and you can't really go wrong with either. It's like Lemieux/Gretzky - I think Lemieux was a far superior athlete and an overall just slightly better player than Gretzky, but I'd build my team around Gretzky if I had to pick. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

02-01-2009, 01:33 PM	#340
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,828	I love Habs fans. I really do. Give me Malkin or give me death. I do agree with LLN that Ovechkin is a better PLAYER than both of them at this time, but I'd take both Malkin and Crosby before Ovie if I'm drafting a team from scratch. Goalies grow on trees, and you can always build a trap (sorry, SYSTEM) around them. Right, Steve Mason? __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers Last edited by Afino; 02-01-2009 at 01:35 PM.

12-03-2008, 01:48 PM	#321
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	The media would have to start focusing on skill at the sport, not for being a asshat first. Dont' expect that to change anytime soon. On mroe relevant news (and to put my previous statement into action a little), looks like we have our third victim coach wise, and a familiar face back behind the bench. Guess being the coach of the Laffs doesn't equal the black spot after all. NHL.com - News: Hurricanes name Maurice to replace Laviolette - 12/03/2008

12-18-2008, 07:21 PM	#322
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,183	Well look who finally made his mind up: Sundin agrees to deal with Canucks

12-21-2008, 09:56 AM	#326
Kekkonen All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting the 'in' in Finland Posts: 739	I haven't had the chance to watch an NHL game in a long while, but last night I sat down and watched the Caps vs. Flyers game. That was a weird one; it's not often you see a team outshoot the opposition 48 to 28 (with plenty of real scoring chances among those 48 shots) and lose 1-7. Niittymäki was awesome (and Johnson and Theodore at the other end weren't).

12-21-2008, 06:11 PM	#328
Big Hugg All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 933	Derick Brassard's out for the season. It's just so fun being a Blue Jackets fan.

01-02-2009, 10:35 AM	#332
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,183	Not NHL related, but a hockey storey I've been following, which came to a tragic ending Friday. Dunlops' Sanderson passes away as a result of head trauma

01-28-2009, 05:50 PM	#335
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	I thought I would put this argument out on the table. It was between me and one of my office mates. Two guys who follow the NHL but cannot get to see very many of the games. Who is the better player? Crosby or Ovechkin? We realize they are two different styles of players. One is more there to support his teammates and one is more there to score goals and then support his teammates. But which one is better to build a franchise around?

01-28-2009, 11:29 PM	#338
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Agree with Price, not just because of the fact that I support the Habs, but also because if your'e going to put a great player on your team, he goalie is the place to go. A great scorer in a team of average players wont' get you as far as a great goalie will.