All Time Divisional Greats

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 06:05 PM

I am running a tournament to find who the best all time fighter is in each division. I'm starting off with the heavyweights as follows.

Competitors in the Heavyweight Division are as in the list below as seeded in the tournament:

1. Muhammed Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Jack Dempsey
5. Mike Tyson
6. Sonny Liston
7. Jack Johnson
8. Larry Holmes
9. Joe Frazier
10.George Foreman
11.Harry Wills
12.Peter Jackson
13.Riddick Bowe
14.Jersey Joe Walcott
15.Max Schmeling
16.Billy Miske
17.Sam McVey
18.Lennox Lewis
19.Sam Langford
20.James Jefferies
21.Joe Jeanette
22.George Godfrey
23.James J Corbett
24.George Chuvalo
25.Jimmy Young
26.Paolino Uzcudun
27.Roscoe Toles
28.Ernie Terrell
29.John L Sullivan
30.Earnie Shavers
31.Jack Sharkey
32.Gregorio Peralta
33.Floyd Patterson
34.Ken Norton
35.Ray Mercer
36.Oliver McCall
37.Wladimir Klitschko
38.Vitali Klitschko
39.Tommy Farr
40.Jimmy Ellis
41.Robert Cleroux
42.Oscar Bonavena
43.Tim Witherspoon
44.Nikolay Valuev
45.Tony Tucker
46.David Tua
47.Pinklon Thomas
48.Johnny Summerlin
49.Abe Simon
50.Tom Sharkey
51.Axel Schulz
52.Lee Ramage
53.Greg Page
54.Frank Moran
55.Joe Mesi
56.Eddie Machen
57.Serguei Lyakhovich
58.Roland LaStarza
59.Kirk Johnson
60.Ike Ibeabuchi
61.Arturo Godoy
62.Jack Gardner
63.Max Baer
64.Joe Bugner

Fighters will fight their opposite number in the next 32 seeded opponents for the first round. In other words 1st seed will fight 33rd seed, 2nd seed will fight 34th seed, 3rd seed will fight 35th seed and so on.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 06:10 PM

Feel free to let me know who you fancy or are following....

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 07:14 PM

Following fighters are through to the second round:

1.Muhammed Ali
2.Joe Louis
3.Rocky Marciano
4.Jack Dempsey
5.Mike Tyson
6.Sonny Liston
7.Jack Johnson
8.Jimmy Ellis
9.Joe Frazier
10.George Foreman
11.Tim Witherspoon
12.Peter Jackson
13.Riddick Bowe
14.Jersey Joe Walcott
15.Max Schmeling
16.Billy Miske
17.Sam McVey
18.Lennox Lewis
19.Sam Langford
20.Lee Ramage
21.Joe Jeanette
22.George Godfrey
23.James J. Corbett
24.George Chuvalo
25.Serguei Lyakhovich
26.Paolino Uzcudun
27.Roscoe Toles
28.Ernie Terrell
29.Arturo Godoy
30.Jack Gardner
31.Max Baer
32.Gregorio Peralta

Will post coverage of all second round fights as they happen.....

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 07:22 PM

Muhammed Ali gave McVey a thorough battering in this fight. McVey did well in the opening round but after that it was one sided. Ali caused a swelling under his opponents right eye and managed to knock him to the canvas 3 times towards the end of the bout.

Ali won almost every round on the judges scorecard and was scored 293-268.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 07:26 PM

In this embarrassing bout, Lewis was knocked to the canvas in the opening round. He managed to get up again but shortly afterwards a hook smashed into his jaw and the ref declared a TKO in Round 1!

Louis flung 47 punches in total and Lewis managed a pathetic 6 before succumbing to 'The Brown Bomber'.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 07:34 PM

In the biggest upset of the competition thus far, Rocky Marciano was stopped in the 6th round by Sam Langford.

Marciano mauled Langford in the opening round but it was after that that the 'Brockton Blockbuster' failed to perform to the expected standard. A hook to the jaw in Round 6 dropped him to the canvas. When he got up, Marciano was still shaky on his legs and sensing his opportunity, Langford tried to finish him off. Marciano was saved only by the ref declaring a TKO. A disappointing result as Marciano was one of the favourites for the tournament.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 07:47 PM

Dempsey managed a majority points decision against Ramage but it was a closely fought contest with Dempsey managing to pull ahead by knocking Ramage to the canvas in the 9th.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 07:51 PM

In another surprising bout, Joe Jeanette utterly outboxed Tyson, knocking him to the canvas in Rounds 1 and 10 before winning by unanimous decision.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 07:55 PM

Someone was smiling on Liston as he was behind on all the judges scorecards and looked to be all at sea in this bout. But he opened up in the 5th round and battered Godfrey to the canvas scoring a KO.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 07:58 PM

Jack Johnson won due to a disqualification after Corbett used his shoulder in the 9th round of this fight in which Johnson was ahead on points.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 08:04 PM

Ellis managed to make Chuvalo look like an amateur in this fight and won by unanimous decision. Ellis' progress has been surprising in this competition as many didnt expect him to progress beyond the 1st round let alone make it to the 3rd!

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 08:14 PM

Joe Frazier didnt disappoint as he dispatched his opponent by TKO in the final minute of the final round in spite of suffering a cut over his left eye in the 6th. He still managed to close both of Lyackhovichs eyes during the fight and knock him to the canvas in the 9th and 10th before the ref jumped in and ended the carnage.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 08:18 PM

Uzcudun did well to go the distance with a big puncher like Foreman but in the end he still lost by unanimous decision. Foreman progresses to the 3rd Round.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 08:38 PM

In spite of knocking Toles onto his backside in the second, Witherspoon was outboxed and lost a majority decision.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 08:41 PM

Terrells handspeed was too much for the slower Jackson and he won convincingly by unanimous decision.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 08:44 PM

Bowe appeared to be struggling in the opening 3 rounds of this bout before being subjected to a battering by Bowes fists in the 4th which forced the ref to jump between them and declare a TKO victory for Bowe.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 08:49 PM

Walcott fought on in spite of a cut under his left eye due to a flurry of punches from Gardner. With blood dripping down his face onto his chest, Walcott outboxed his opponent to win by unanimous decision.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 08:52 PM

Schmeling looked as if he might have been able to outbox Baer but shortly after falling to the canvas in the 2nd Round, his hopes of progressing to the 3rd Round of both the bout and this competition evaporated as the ref jumped in and declared a TKO victory for Baer.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 08:57 PM

Miske managed to physically injure Peralta to secure his place in the 3rd round by TKO victory in the 8th Round of what may well have been a close points decision.

muhammed ali · 11-26-2008, 09:05 PM

And so we have separated the wheat from the chaff. There have definitely been a few surprises - notably the defeat of both Rocky Marciano and Mike Tyson by Sam Langford and Joe Jeanette in the second round of he competition.

The final 16 will fight in the following bouts:

Muhammed Ali v. Joe Frazier

Joe Louis v. George Foreman

Sam Langford v. Roscoe Toles

Jack Dempsey v. Ernie Terrell

Joe Jeanette v. Riddick Bowe

Sonny Liston v. Jersey Joe Walcott

Jack Johnson v. Max Baer

Jimmy Ellis v. Billy Miske

Let me know who your favourites are to progress to the Quarter Finals or win the competition.....

11-26-2008, 06:05 PM	#1
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	All Time Divisional Greats I am running a tournament to find who the best all time fighter is in each division. I'm starting off with the heavyweights as follows. Competitors in the Heavyweight Division are as in the list below as seeded in the tournament: 1. Muhammed Ali 2. Joe Louis 3. Rocky Marciano 4. Jack Dempsey 5. Mike Tyson 6. Sonny Liston 7. Jack Johnson 8. Larry Holmes 9. Joe Frazier 10.George Foreman 11.Harry Wills 12.Peter Jackson 13.Riddick Bowe 14.Jersey Joe Walcott 15.Max Schmeling 16.Billy Miske 17.Sam McVey 18.Lennox Lewis 19.Sam Langford 20.James Jefferies 21.Joe Jeanette 22.George Godfrey 23.James J Corbett 24.George Chuvalo 25.Jimmy Young 26.Paolino Uzcudun 27.Roscoe Toles 28.Ernie Terrell 29.John L Sullivan 30.Earnie Shavers 31.Jack Sharkey 32.Gregorio Peralta 33.Floyd Patterson 34.Ken Norton 35.Ray Mercer 36.Oliver McCall 37.Wladimir Klitschko 38.Vitali Klitschko 39.Tommy Farr 40.Jimmy Ellis 41.Robert Cleroux 42.Oscar Bonavena 43.Tim Witherspoon 44.Nikolay Valuev 45.Tony Tucker 46.David Tua 47.Pinklon Thomas 48.Johnny Summerlin 49.Abe Simon 50.Tom Sharkey 51.Axel Schulz 52.Lee Ramage 53.Greg Page 54.Frank Moran 55.Joe Mesi 56.Eddie Machen 57.Serguei Lyakhovich 58.Roland LaStarza 59.Kirk Johnson 60.Ike Ibeabuchi 61.Arturo Godoy 62.Jack Gardner 63.Max Baer 64.Joe Bugner Fighters will fight their opposite number in the next 32 seeded opponents for the first round. In other words 1st seed will fight 33rd seed, 2nd seed will fight 34th seed, 3rd seed will fight 35th seed and so on.

11-26-2008, 06:10 PM	#2
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	favourites Feel free to let me know who you fancy or are following....

11-26-2008, 07:14 PM	#3
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	2nd round Following fighters are through to the second round: 1.Muhammed Ali 2.Joe Louis 3.Rocky Marciano 4.Jack Dempsey 5.Mike Tyson 6.Sonny Liston 7.Jack Johnson 8.Jimmy Ellis 9.Joe Frazier 10.George Foreman 11.Tim Witherspoon 12.Peter Jackson 13.Riddick Bowe 14.Jersey Joe Walcott 15.Max Schmeling 16.Billy Miske 17.Sam McVey 18.Lennox Lewis 19.Sam Langford 20.Lee Ramage 21.Joe Jeanette 22.George Godfrey 23.James J. Corbett 24.George Chuvalo 25.Serguei Lyakhovich 26.Paolino Uzcudun 27.Roscoe Toles 28.Ernie Terrell 29.Arturo Godoy 30.Jack Gardner 31.Max Baer 32.Gregorio Peralta Will post coverage of all second round fights as they happen.....

11-26-2008, 07:22 PM	#4
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Muhammed Ali v. Sam McVey Muhammed Ali gave McVey a thorough battering in this fight. McVey did well in the opening round but after that it was one sided. Ali caused a swelling under his opponents right eye and managed to knock him to the canvas 3 times towards the end of the bout. Ali won almost every round on the judges scorecard and was scored 293-268.

11-26-2008, 07:26 PM	#5
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Joe Louis v. Lennox Lewis In this embarrassing bout, Lewis was knocked to the canvas in the opening round. He managed to get up again but shortly afterwards a hook smashed into his jaw and the ref declared a TKO in Round 1! Louis flung 47 punches in total and Lewis managed a pathetic 6 before succumbing to 'The Brown Bomber'.

11-26-2008, 07:34 PM	#6
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Rocky Marciano v. Sam Langford In the biggest upset of the competition thus far, Rocky Marciano was stopped in the 6th round by Sam Langford. Marciano mauled Langford in the opening round but it was after that that the 'Brockton Blockbuster' failed to perform to the expected standard. A hook to the jaw in Round 6 dropped him to the canvas. When he got up, Marciano was still shaky on his legs and sensing his opportunity, Langford tried to finish him off. Marciano was saved only by the ref declaring a TKO. A disappointing result as Marciano was one of the favourites for the tournament.

11-26-2008, 07:47 PM	#7
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Jack Dempsey v. Lee Ramage Dempsey managed a majority points decision against Ramage but it was a closely fought contest with Dempsey managing to pull ahead by knocking Ramage to the canvas in the 9th.

11-26-2008, 07:51 PM	#8
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Mike Tyson v. Joe Jeanette In another surprising bout, Joe Jeanette utterly outboxed Tyson, knocking him to the canvas in Rounds 1 and 10 before winning by unanimous decision.

11-26-2008, 07:55 PM	#9
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Sonny Liston v. George Godfrey Someone was smiling on Liston as he was behind on all the judges scorecards and looked to be all at sea in this bout. But he opened up in the 5th round and battered Godfrey to the canvas scoring a KO.

11-26-2008, 07:58 PM	#10
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Jack Johnson v. James J Corbett Jack Johnson won due to a disqualification after Corbett used his shoulder in the 9th round of this fight in which Johnson was ahead on points.

11-26-2008, 08:04 PM	#11
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Jimmy Ellis v. George Chuvalo Ellis managed to make Chuvalo look like an amateur in this fight and won by unanimous decision. Ellis' progress has been surprising in this competition as many didnt expect him to progress beyond the 1st round let alone make it to the 3rd!

11-26-2008, 08:14 PM	#12
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Joe Frazier v. Serguei Lyackhovich Joe Frazier didnt disappoint as he dispatched his opponent by TKO in the final minute of the final round in spite of suffering a cut over his left eye in the 6th. He still managed to close both of Lyackhovichs eyes during the fight and knock him to the canvas in the 9th and 10th before the ref jumped in and ended the carnage.

11-26-2008, 08:18 PM	#13
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	George Foreman v. Paolino Uzcudun Uzcudun did well to go the distance with a big puncher like Foreman but in the end he still lost by unanimous decision. Foreman progresses to the 3rd Round.

11-26-2008, 08:38 PM	#14
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Tim Witherspoon v. Roscoe Toles In spite of knocking Toles onto his backside in the second, Witherspoon was outboxed and lost a majority decision.

11-26-2008, 08:41 PM	#15
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Peter Jackson v. Ernie Terrell Terrells handspeed was too much for the slower Jackson and he won convincingly by unanimous decision.

11-26-2008, 08:44 PM	#16
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Riddick Bowe v. Arturo Godoy Bowe appeared to be struggling in the opening 3 rounds of this bout before being subjected to a battering by Bowes fists in the 4th which forced the ref to jump between them and declare a TKO victory for Bowe.

11-26-2008, 08:49 PM	#17
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Jersey Joe Walcott v. Joe Gardner Walcott fought on in spite of a cut under his left eye due to a flurry of punches from Gardner. With blood dripping down his face onto his chest, Walcott outboxed his opponent to win by unanimous decision.

11-26-2008, 08:52 PM	#18
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Max Schmeling v, Max Baer Schmeling looked as if he might have been able to outbox Baer but shortly after falling to the canvas in the 2nd Round, his hopes of progressing to the 3rd Round of both the bout and this competition evaporated as the ref jumped in and declared a TKO victory for Baer.

11-26-2008, 08:57 PM	#19
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Billy Miske v. Gregorio Peralta Miske managed to physically injure Peralta to secure his place in the 3rd round by TKO victory in the 8th Round of what may well have been a close points decision.

11-26-2008, 09:05 PM	#20
muhammed ali Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Final 16 And so we have separated the wheat from the chaff. There have definitely been a few surprises - notably the defeat of both Rocky Marciano and Mike Tyson by Sam Langford and Joe Jeanette in the second round of he competition. The final 16 will fight in the following bouts: Muhammed Ali v. Joe Frazier Joe Louis v. George Foreman Sam Langford v. Roscoe Toles Jack Dempsey v. Ernie Terrell Joe Jeanette v. Riddick Bowe Sonny Liston v. Jersey Joe Walcott Jack Johnson v. Max Baer Jimmy Ellis v. Billy Miske Let me know who your favourites are to progress to the Quarter Finals or win the competition.....