How difficult is it to build a winner

PSUColonel · 11-26-2008, 01:54 AM

How easy or tough do you think it is to build a consistent winner in OOTP? I would define consistent winner by getting a team to the point where they at least have a winning record every year for the most part.

canadiancreed · 11-26-2008, 08:39 AM

Depend son the league really. For the most part I've found it easyish to tough depending on my competition.

AirmenSmith · 11-26-2008, 09:50 AM

For me I would say easy. If you play the game without any house rules making a team be a winner season after season is easy.

deadringer · 11-26-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AirmenSmith

For me I would say easy. If you play the game without any house rules making a team be a winner season after season is easy.

+1

Mike Donlin · 11-26-2008, 10:28 AM

Even with house rules it can be extremely easy.

This is against the AI, of course. On-line leagues are different.

PSUColonel · 11-26-2008, 03:58 PM

This might be OOTP's biggest problem. OF course there are a multitude of reason for this. Many of which are mentioned here:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...dly-human.html

playball335 · 11-26-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This might be OOTP's biggest problem. OF course there are a multitude of reason for this. Many of which are mentioned here:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...dly-human.html

Being a solo only player I couldn't agree more.

BMD · 11-26-2008, 04:29 PM

Another solo player here, I find myself starting lots of leagues. The challenge is starting with a bad team and building a strong organization (not just the major league team). After a couple of years though, once I like where my organization is, I find it way to easy to maintain the big league club a pennant contender year after year without exception. I then lose interest and start a new league. I can't remember the last time I had a league go 10+ years.

PotatoPeeler · 11-26-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BMD

Another solo player here, I find myself starting lots of leagues. The challenge is starting with a bad team and building a strong organization (not just the major league team). After a couple of years though, once I like where my organization is, I find it way to easy to maintain the big league club a pennant contender year after year without exception. I then lose interest and start a new league. I can't remember the last time I had a league go 10+ years.

You wouldn't happen to be Bill Parcells, would you?

BMD · 11-26-2008, 04:37 PM

Never thought of it that way. I have a whole new respect for the Tuna now. :d

mikev · 11-26-2008, 04:46 PM

Simple solution: Join an online league.

PotatoPeeler · 11-26-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BMD

Never thought of it that way. I have a whole new respect for the Tuna now. :d

Heh. Well, it was the first thing that struck me when I read your post.

BTW, I love the Cheif Wiggum quote in your Location.

Isura · 11-26-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Simple solution: Join an online league.

It's simple but not necessarily the best. Online just doesn't work for me for several reasons. I enjoy the day to day management decisions and watching the phb. I also don't have the time to keep up with a regular online league schedule.

BMD · 11-26-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Isura

It's simple but not necessarily the best. Online just doesn't work for me for several reasons. I enjoy the day to day management decisions and watching the phb. I also don't have the time to keep up with a regular online league schedule.

Ditto

PSUColonel · 11-26-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Simple solution: Join an online league.

easier said than done. I've been looking for a good league to join where I can GM my Phillies, and the fact is, 1. there aren't that many really good leagues with high participation, and 2. There aren't that many good leagues with high participation where I can GM the Phillies. I also like making day to day decisions....just as a real GM does.

Garlon · 11-26-2008, 06:01 PM

I ran a historical simulation recently from 1901-2007. I managed the Cubs and in those 107 seasons I only had 6 seasons below a .500 record. 23 seasons my winning percentage was .600+. I made the playoffs 70 times and won the World Series 28 times. I had financials off (no free agency), Retire According to History enabled, and built my team solely through the rookie draft. I never made a single trade in 107 seasons, although trading was enabled so that the CPU teams could trade with each other.

mikev · 11-26-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

easier said than done. I've been looking for a good league to join where I can GM my Phillies, and the fact is, 1. there aren't that many really good leagues with high participation, and 2. There aren't that many good leagues with high participation where I can GM the Phillies. I also like making day to day decisions....just as a real GM does.

That's because, IMO, the best online leagues are fictional. MLB based leagues generally fail, but if they DO last long enough, they become fictional leagues anyway.

Afino · 11-26-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Simple solution: Join an online league.

I'm learning the hard way how hard it's going to be to build a team from the ground up, eh Mike?

PSUColonel · 11-26-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

That's because, IMO, the best online leagues are fictional. MLB based leagues generally fail, but if they DO last long enough, they become fictional leagues anyway.

any suggestions? I'd like to create my own franchise from scratch

PSUColonel · 11-27-2008, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Simple solution: Join an online league.

Also, that's not going to help the AI improve.

View Poll Results: How difficult is it to build a consistent winner?
Extremely Tough	1	2.00%
Tough	6	12.00%
Somewhat Tough	7	14.00%
Somewhat Easy	14	28.00%
Easy	13	26.00%
Extremely Easy	9	18.00%
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11-26-2008, 01:54 AM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,106	How difficult is it to build a winner How easy or tough do you think it is to build a consistent winner in OOTP? I would define consistent winner by getting a team to the point where they at least have a winning record every year for the most part.

11-26-2008, 09:50 AM	#3
AirmenSmith Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kalispell, MT Posts: 2,094	For me I would say easy. If you play the game without any house rules making a team be a winner season after season is easy. __________________ Come join me on my Twitch Channel for gaming at its excellence Twitch Link

11-26-2008, 04:46 PM	#11
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Simple solution: Join an online league. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

11-26-2008, 08:39 AM	#2
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Depend son the league really. For the most part I've found it easyish to tough depending on my competition.

11-26-2008, 10:28 AM	#5
Mike Donlin All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Life, friends, is boring. Posts: 840	Even with house rules it can be extremely easy. This is against the AI, of course. On-line leagues are different.

11-26-2008, 03:58 PM	#6
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,106	This might be OOTP's biggest problem. OF course there are a multitude of reason for this. Many of which are mentioned here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...dly-human.html

11-26-2008, 04:29 PM	#8
BMD All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Somewhere raising the Jolly Roger Posts: 515	Another solo player here, I find myself starting lots of leagues. The challenge is starting with a bad team and building a strong organization (not just the major league team). After a couple of years though, once I like where my organization is, I find it way to easy to maintain the big league club a pennant contender year after year without exception. I then lose interest and start a new league. I can't remember the last time I had a league go 10+ years.

11-26-2008, 04:37 PM	#10
BMD All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Somewhere raising the Jolly Roger Posts: 515	Never thought of it that way. I have a whole new respect for the Tuna now. :d

11-26-2008, 06:01 PM	#16
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,266	I ran a historical simulation recently from 1901-2007. I managed the Cubs and in those 107 seasons I only had 6 seasons below a .500 record. 23 seasons my winning percentage was .600+. I made the playoffs 70 times and won the World Series 28 times. I had financials off (no free agency), Retire According to History enabled, and built my team solely through the rookie draft. I never made a single trade in 107 seasons, although trading was enabled so that the CPU teams could trade with each other.