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12-09-2001, 07:43 PM
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Hall Of Famer
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HOB - Any questions on a particular player go here
I created this topic to post HOB career recaps on any players you might want to know about. Feel free to list any players you are interested in here. I will also add player profiles on anyone that I find interesting as I continue my recaps of the HOB.
In the Hall of Fame thread I had a request for info on Walt Dropo and Wally Berger. WALT DROPO In the HOB Walt Dropo never made it to the major leagues. In 1949, his first season, he spent the year in AA as a 26 year old. The Red Sox already had Nick Etten and ex-Red Frank McCormick to play first base. In 1950 the Red Sox traded for Phil Cavarretta and that pretty much ended any chance Dropo had of being the starting first baseman. Dropo did not live up to his rating potential and retired following the 1952 season. Cavarretta, on the other hand, became a Hall of Famer. Wally Berger As you can see below, Berger was well travelled. He played for the Braves, Pirates, White Sox, Athletics and Dodgers. The biggest trade he was involved in was a swap that sent him from Philadelphia to Brooklyn for Mel Ott. Berger led the major leagues in homers in 1936 when he had 43. For his efforts he was rewarded with the American League MVP Award that season. He won a World Series and 2 pennants with Pittsburgh and 2 more pennants with the Philadelphia A's. He did miss the 1939 series and the second half of the season with a torn ACL.
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12-09-2001, 08:53 PM
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Thanks Tiger fan - I have a few guys I would like you to check up on if you get the chance:
First off, did Don Dillard ever make it in the HOB? How about Bob Chance? Dillard is a relative and Chance is a favorite online league player of mine. Finally, the often overlooked Claude Osteen - I am hoping he had standout HOB career. |
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12-10-2001, 05:15 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Killebrew:
First off, did Don Dillard ever make it in the HOB? Yes, Dillard did make it and played much longer than he did in real life. As you can see his career was very similiar to what he really accomplished. I will post info on Chance and Osteen when I get the opportunity (likely late tonight). DON DILLARD
No postseason action for Dillard as I am sure followers of the HOB are well aware. The Tribe have not played a playoff game since 1906.
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12-10-2001, 05:29 AM
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Minors (Single A)
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Is Dale Murphy a catcher or outfielder in HOB. In RL, he started as a catcher. He had a great arm, but a Steve Blass-esque inability to throw the ball back to the pitcher. As a result, he was converted to OF, where he enjoyed a near-HOF career.
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12-10-2001, 05:45 AM
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I'm curious about Jeff Tesreau ...
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12-10-2001, 06:50 AM
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As requested here are Chance and Osteen's careers.
Bob Chance First baseman for the Indians finally became a starter in 1966 but lost his job 2 years later when the Tribe dealt for Bob Oliver. Oliver was subsequently moved in 1970 when Cleveland acquired Willie Stargell from Washington. Chance had some modest success as a pinch hitter in 1969 and 1970. He was traded to St Louis with Frank Baker for Julio Gotay. Chance spent most of 1974 in the minors and after spending all of 1975 in AA he retired at the age of 35.
Claude Osteen Osteen made a strong impression as a rookie, narrowly missing out on the rookie of the year award which went to Brooklyn slugger Jim Gentile that season. However, 1957 would be the only solid season of Osteen's career. In early September of 1957 Osteen ruptured a disc in his back and was lost for the season. That injury would affect him the rest of his career. He returned in 1958 but was clearly not the same pitcher he was as an 18 year old rookie. The Reds also suffered going from World Series winners in 1957 with Osteen to a 6th place team the following season. With the emergence of Mike Cuellar and Jim O'Toole there was no longer room for Osteen in the Cincinnati rotation and he would spend most of the next decade in the minors with a few call-ups each year. He was exposed in the 1969 expansion draft and selected by San Diego. He never got much of a chance in San Diego either as injuries again caught up with him. The Padres went with younger arms in their rotation and Osteen was restricted to a few long relief appearances and again spent much of the season in the minors. He certainly had the potential to duplicate or exceed his real life numbers when you consider what he accomplished in 1957 as an 18 year old. It is just to bad because of injury he never got the chance to reach that potential but it is instances like this that make the game so much fun. Imagine if Osteen did not get hurt and the Reds decided to trade or never give Jim O'Toole his chance. If that happened would the Reds have still been the great dynasty they were in the late 60's-early 70's. Or would they have been even better with a healthy Osteen?
[ December 10, 2001: Message edited by: Tiger Fan ]
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12-10-2001, 07:27 AM
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Since I am using IatricSB's modified database (started with it in mid fities of HOB) Dale Murphy imports as an OF but is rated at catcher as well. The Braves used him almost exclusively in the OF.
Dale Murphy Murphy endured some bad teams in Atlanta but things eventually did right themselves. I wont go into much detail so as not to spoil my HOB reports from 1980 on. His production had been dropping in Atlanta but he seems to have found new life with the trade to Oakland. He is still active at the end of 1992 so he may play past his real life retirement of 1993 at the age of 37.
JEFF TESREAU Tesreau started his career with the Giants and moved to the Cardinals as a free agent in 1917 (I had finances turned on until roughly 1920 in my league. They were shut off along with minors to save time on my old computer). Tesreau had his best years with the Pirates and helped them to 3 straight pennants from 1925-27.
[ December 10, 2001: Message edited by: Tiger Fan ]
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12-10-2001, 08:47 AM
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What about Gary Carter? How has he fared?
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12-10-2001, 12:52 PM
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Not sure how far along you are but at some point could you post how Darryl Strawberry and Eric Davis did or have done. They are a pair of my fav's. Thanx
Brian
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12-10-2001, 12:56 PM
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If you get a chance, I'd love to know what happened with my two favorite non-HOF Brooklyn Dodgers: Gil Hodges and The Reading Rifle, Carl Furillo!
Keep up the great work, Tiger!
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12-10-2001, 01:31 PM
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Thanks Tiger Fan, phenominal job. The mostly unknown Bob Chance and often overlooked Claude Osteen are already having HOF-type careers in the CDL online league so maybe they used up their good fortune there
 . Thrilled to see Dillard make it and even play for 10+ years.
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12-10-2001, 06:03 PM
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Thanks for the compliments. I am having a blast researching these guys in my league and learning new things about it all the time. Here are all your latest requests.
Gary Carter I wont talk too much about active players so as not to spoil the articles I will be writing from 1980 on, but I found it real interesting that Carter would move from Montreal to the Mets. As of the end of 1992, which is where I am in my sims, Carter is 38 years old and nearing the end of a solid career. His stats certainly compare very favourably to the catchers in the HOB Hall of Fame.
Darryl Strawberry Strawberry suffered a broken jaw in June of 1992 and missed over a month. Even with the time off he still tied a career high for homers and appears to be reaching his peak at the age of 30. A comparison to his real life career stats shows that Strawberry will likely blow those numbers away. The HOB offers a hint at what he could have been had he not had the personal problems that he did.
Eric Davis Like Strawberry, the 30 year old Davis appears to be just hitting his stride.
Gil Hodges Gil Hodges never became a Brooklyn Dodger in the HOB. In July of 1943 the minor leaguer was dealt to Cincinnati with 3B Frank Skaff for 1B Frank McCormick. In real life Hodges played one major league game in 1943 at the age of 19, went off to military service, and did not make the big leagues again until 1947. In the HOB replay Hodges spent 7 years in the minors before making his major league debut in 1950. His path to the majors in Cincinnati was blocked by a player named Les Scarsella and later Jack Bolling. In real life neither Scarsella or Bolling did much but in the HOB they each had a couple of solid seasons to keep Hodges in the minors. Hodges finally became a regular in 1954 and made his only postseason appearance in 1957. Although Hodges hit just .143 in the World Series, the Reds beat the Yankees in 4 straight games. He had a hot start to the 1959 season and made his first allstar appearance. The allstar game was perhaps his greatest moment as he hit a solo homer in the bottom of the 13th inning off of Detroit reliever Bob Miller to give the National League a 4-3 victory. In 1960, he tore his ACL in an April game and missed the rest of the season. Hadges was 36 at the time and although he did post decent numbers in 1961 his career was nearing the end.
Carl Furillo A member of 2 Dodger World Championship teams and 4 pennant winners, Furillo had a career relatively close to his real life performance. His career highlight was a 2 run homer in the first inning of Game 7 of the 1953 World Series. The Dodgers would beat the Yankees 3-2 in the game and for the second straight season win the series in a 7th game.
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12-10-2001, 10:22 PM
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Hey, I was just curious if you could show us (or just me since I doubt anyone else cares LOL) what Ryne Sandberg has done in HOB. Thanks
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12-11-2001, 12:24 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by BrentBlades:
Hey, I was just curious what Ryne Sandberg has done in HOB. Thanks Ryne Sandberg Here are Sandberg's stats. Since from about 1913 on I have been assigning players to their original teams rather than having a draft Sandberg was never a Chicago Cub. He starts his career a Phillie and is currently with the Blue Jays. He was dealt for Willie Upshaw in what was a steal for the Jays. Upshaw had a couple decent seasons before the trade but has done nothing for the Phillies. Sandberg is now 33 years old (following 1992 season). He is not quite as good as he was in real life at this stage but he may still duplicate his reallife batting average and home run totals since he tailed off a bit at the end of his real life career.
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12-12-2001, 04:53 PM
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How about Ray Chapman, who in real life was killed by Carl Mays' submarine pitch?
BTW, your project is the most fascinating thing I've seen someone do with a baseball sim. Your recaps and posts are all very well-written. I'm a late comer here, so I've missed many of your posts -- are any of your earlier recaps available on the web? We need a Tiger Fan's Historical HOB Abstract.
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12-12-2001, 06:22 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Granny Hamner:
How about Ray Chapman, who in real life was killed by Carl Mays' submarine pitch? We need a Tiger Fan's Historical HOB Abstract. Thanks for the kind words. Glad you enjoy it. Unfortunately my early posts are gone as they were on the first board and it shut down. There are some mid-70's post on the second OOTP board. I did have a website going for a little while but I am not to good at creating them so I prefer to post my recaps here. I love the Historical HOB Abstract idea...maybe I will try and create a web site again when I finish the sim. I just completed the 1993 regular season tonight and I still havent decided what to do when I reach 2001. Maybe keep the league going and call it the Future of Baseball Replay. Anyway, here is the info on both Chapman and Mays, plus a recap on the career of my favorite HOB player. Ray Chapman The shortstop had a long and successful career in the HOB. He was a member of the Senators 1917 World Championship team after leaving Cleveland as a free agent during that offseason. He would have been the American League's best shortstop during the period although National Leaguers Eddie Collins and Rogers Hornsby overshadowed him.
Carl Mays Carl Mays imported as a middle reliever since this was before the modified database became available. He led the major leagues in saves twice and was a 4 time allstar. His 131 career saves ranked him 11th in the first 50 years of the HOB.
While on the topic of Mays I thought I would post the career of one of his teammates with the Red Sox. I am speaking of the only fictional player added to the now 93 year old History of Baseball replay. Tiger Fan On a whim I created myself as a mediocre third baseman and placed 'Tiger Fan' in the free agent pool around 1922. The Red Sox grabbed me and let me develop in the minors for a few seasons before giving me a shot at the big leagues. I was there starting 3B for a couple of seasons but the Red Sox were the worst team in the league at that time. In 1937, you can imagine my excitement when I was dealt to Detroit (I did not arrange this trade or tinker with my player ratings at all). My greatest moment in the game came when I hit a pinch hit homer in the 1937 World Series to help Detroit beat Pittsburgh in 4 straight. I was 'watching' that game being played out and my wife thought I was an idiot when I let out a cheer upon seeing the ball leave the yard. I had 2 other pinch hit opportunities in that series but was retired both times.
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12-13-2001, 02:11 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Tiger Fan:
Thanks for the kind words. Glad you enjoy it. Unfortunately my early posts are gone as they were on the first board and it shut down. There are some mid-70's post on the second OOTP board. I did have a website going for a little while but I am not to good at creating them so I prefer to post my recaps here. I love the Historical HOB Abstract idea...maybe I will try and create a web site again when I finish the sim. I just completed the 1993 regular season tonight and I still havent decided what to do when I reach 2001. Maybe keep the league going and call it the Future of Baseball Replay. You should just make a HoB sabermetrics site. I can make good sites, and if you'd like, I would love to be chosen to be the HoB website webmaster. This is the most popular replay, and as I just lost the whole league file for the second time for my sim. If you'd like, drop me a mail at blind_jerry@mail.com and I'll see what I can do.
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12-13-2001, 09:48 PM
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Steve,
I love your recaps. I'd be interested in how Lymon Bostock performed had he not been shot dead after 3 real life seasons.
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12-14-2001, 02:47 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Aussie Mark:
Steve, I love your recaps. I'd be interested in how Lymon Bostock performed had he not been shot dead after 3 real life seasons. Lyman Bostock Bostock joined the Twins in 1975 and narrowly lost out on rookie of the year honours to teammate Dan Ford (.276,18,88). He finished fourth in the American League in batting that season. He would hit a career high .351 in 1983 but missed 20 games with injuries. Injuries would plague him much of his career as he lost most of the 1980 season with a torn acl that would not allow him back into action until mid May of 1981. Another leg injury late in 1993 would affect his skills. He lost his starting job to Bill Buckner and spent most of 1984 and 1985 in the minors. In 1986 he got another chance to play regularly after the Twins dealt Bill Buckner away. He responded with a solid season and played well in 1987 also. However, age was catching up to him and by 1989 he had lost most of his skills. He retired at the end of 1990 after spending virtually the entire year in AA. The Twins never finished better than 4th place in any of Bostock's 16 seasons. He made 2 allstar teams, both before the devasting ACL injury of 1980. He scored a run in each of the two allstar games but was 0-for-3 with 2 walks. In real life Bostock was fatally shot in Gary, Indiana in the summer of 1978. He was the son of Negro League Star Lyman Bostock Sr.
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12-15-2001, 11:08 AM
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Since I see your now into the 90's I was wondering how a few favorite players have been doing.
I would like to see the stats for Tom Browning, Paul O'Neil, and Barry Larkin |
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