I got screwed! Would this happen in real MLB? If so, still unfair!

metball4 · 07-21-2008, 08:37 PM

So it's the 2nd season of my dynasty using real players, and of course I'm the Mets. I finish (or so I think) with a 90-72 record in 1st place. To my surprise, the Marlins finish .5 games out of 1st place, but they had only played 161 games. So...then I had to play a 1 game series in which I lost. Now I'm .5 game out, and ultimately out of the playoffs.

Would this happened in the MLB? If so, how is it fair that my team, the mets, had to play a 163'rd game? Had the marlins played their missed game with whoever it was, they would've either been TIED if they won, or in 2nd place. So because they decided to forget about the game, I feel it could ONLY hurt me in the long run..which it did.

I'm just curious if this is the real, right rule? If so, do you think its fair? Just bad luck?

Ahh I'm upset, I spent a lot of time (5 hours last night) building this team, making trades, etc. Erk

Thanks

jayharvill · 07-21-2008, 08:49 PM

in real life that would not have happened....they would have made FLA, with their 161 games, play whatever team also played 161 games(in real life, this would be a make-up of a rained out game)...if they won that game, then yes, you would have had to play a one-game playoff for the division title

if you had a 1.5 game lead and the FLA 162nd game meant nothing, then they wouldn't have played the game

every year there are usually 2-4 teams who only play 161 games----they won't reschedule those late season rainouts unless it affects playoff positions/qualifying

metball4 · 07-21-2008, 08:52 PM

Thats what I figured, which is very annoying bc it has me missing the playoffs. Is there any way I can edit the schedual now or is it too late. Booo OOTP..be smarter then this

Charley575 · 07-21-2008, 08:55 PM

HOw does this even happen in OOTP? How did they miss a game? There aren't rainoouts in OOTP, are there?

Well, I'm pretty sure that in real MLB, this situation would force them to make up the game first, then have the tie breaker, if necessary.

metball4 · 07-21-2008, 09:05 PM

Guess it is possible. It was a game b/t marlins and phillies (last place) bc they played only 161. Very frustrating..

Cork55 · 07-21-2008, 09:50 PM

There are no rain outs in OOTP. I would check the schedule that you are using to see if it actually contains the missing game.

-Cork55

AZTarHeel · 07-21-2008, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cork55

There are no rain outs in OOTP. I would check the schedule that you are using to see if it actually contains the missing game.

-Cork55

YEP -- maybe the AI generated a schedule will games missign or you imported a schedule that was set up this way by accident ... that stinks my friend ... just win more games next time -- haha ... sorry, don't mean to rub it in ... I was the red sox in 2004 with OOTP5, set the record for most wins by a franchise in a single season, then got waxed by the A's in the ALCS in five games ... And I played out every game over about a six month period-- talk about mad!

toxicavenger74 · 07-21-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by metball4

So it's the 2nd season of my dynasty using real players, and of course I'm the Mets. I finish (or so I think) with a 90-72 record in 1st place. To my surprise, the Marlins finish .5 games out of 1st place, but they had only played 161 games. So...then I had to play a 1 game series in which I lost. Now I'm .5 game out, and ultimately out of the playoffs.

Would this happened in the MLB? If so, how is it fair that my team, the mets, had to play a 163'rd game? Had the marlins played their missed game with whoever it was, they would've either been TIED if they won, or in 2nd place. So because they decided to forget about the game, I feel it could ONLY hurt me in the long run..which it did.

I'm just curious if this is the real, right rule? If so, do you think its fair? Just bad luck?

Ahh I'm upset, I spent a lot of time (5 hours last night) building this team, making trades, etc. Erk

Thanks

Something with the schedule had to have been screwed up. This was not an OOTP rainout or anything like that because that does not exist in OOTP land. So, either the game was deleted by the user or the schedule was bad upon import.

oldtime · 07-21-2008, 10:03 PM

You can always check the schedule on the reports page and make sure everyone is playing the same number of games, proper balance, etc. I always do this before running a season, or using a new schedule.

If you get to the end of a season and this happens, before playing the one game playoff, you can go to the schedule edit screen, and add the phillies-marlins game to the last day of the season, so the results occur before a one day play off is needed.

CRTsports.com · 07-21-2008, 10:11 PM

In my dynasty I only played 161 games in 2008. Was rained out a game and never made it up.

oldtime · 07-21-2008, 10:12 PM

By the way, something very similar to this did happen in MLB in 1972.

Because the season started very late due to a players strike, team picked up there schedules on the dates where they would have been without a strike, no make ups of lost games.

The Detroit Tigers won he division by a half game.

Detroit DET 86 70 .551 --
BostonRS BOS 85 70 .548 0.5
Bltmore BAL 80 74 .519 5.0
NewYorkY NYY 79 76 .510 6.5
Clvlnd CLE 72 84 .462 14.0
Milwkee MIL 65 91 .417 21.0

toxicavenger74 · 07-21-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CRTsports.com

In my dynasty I only played 161 games in 2008. Was rained out a game and never made it up.

This was not a OOTP rainout, this had to be self imposed.

CRTsports.com · 07-21-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by toxicavenger74

This was not a OOTP rainout, this had to be self imposed.

Been playing OOTP for a long time and have no idea how it could be "self imposed." If you take a look at my sig I just played 161 that season. I will look back at that file in v 6.12 and see.

CRTsports.com · 07-21-2008, 10:59 PM

It was actually in 6.5 and as you can see in the standings in my division, two teams played 163 games and two played 161.

toxicavenger74 · 07-21-2008, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRTsports.com

It was actually in 6.5 and as you can see in the standings in my division, two teams played 163 games and two played 161.

Interesting, did you use custom schedules at all or OOTP generated schedules?

Otherwise there had to have been some type of schedule bug that occurred on occassion. As long as it wasn't duplicated in V9.

CRTsports.com · 07-21-2008, 11:11 PM

No custom schedule. I am using an old school HaloFan roster set that is from v6 at launch. Been moving the league over with every version. I have not had this happen since then but still a weird thing to happen.

Cork55 · 07-21-2008, 11:45 PM

I would double check your schedule to see if the same two teams played 161/163 games, because if they did, your schedule might be bad. If not, then it is a very odd bug.

-Cork55

Lucas718 · 07-22-2008, 06:17 AM

I would think Minnesota & Cleveland, the 2 teams who played 163 might have had a 1 game playoff. If you look at their recent streak, they would have finished tied after 162 games. Stats in a 1 game playoff count towards the regular season.

toxicavenger74 · 07-22-2008, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas718

I would think Minnesota & Cleveland, the 2 teams who played 163 might have had a 1 game playoff. If you look at their recent streak, they would have finished tied after 162 games. Stats in a 1 game playoff count towards the regular season.

I think this is understood. The issue is with the 161 games played. In real baseball this happens. In OOTP it should not unless the end user designs it this way. The concern now has to be with the OP and his issue since it is with the most recent version and is the only version that can be corrected.

The issue is occuring because either the imported schedule is not correct, OOTP is generating a schedule that is not correct, the game is being deleted either accidently or on purpose , the game is actually being played but not counted in the standings or the game is scheduled but for some reason is not recognized and is not playable.

CRTsports.com · 07-22-2008, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas718

I would think Minnesota & Cleveland, the 2 teams who played 163 might have had a 1 game playoff. If you look at their recent streak, they would have finished tied after 162 games. Stats in a 1 game playoff count towards the regular season.

You are correct. Meant to put that in the original post but forgot about it when I posted.

07-21-2008, 08:37 PM	#1
metball4 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 328	I got screwed! Would this happen in real MLB? If so, still unfair! So it's the 2nd season of my dynasty using real players, and of course I'm the Mets. I finish (or so I think) with a 90-72 record in 1st place. To my surprise, the Marlins finish .5 games out of 1st place, but they had only played 161 games. So...then I had to play a 1 game series in which I lost. Now I'm .5 game out, and ultimately out of the playoffs. Would this happened in the MLB? If so, how is it fair that my team, the mets, had to play a 163'rd game? Had the marlins played their missed game with whoever it was, they would've either been TIED if they won, or in 2nd place. So because they decided to forget about the game, I feel it could ONLY hurt me in the long run..which it did. I'm just curious if this is the real, right rule? If so, do you think its fair? Just bad luck? Ahh I'm upset, I spent a lot of time (5 hours last night) building this team, making trades, etc. Erk Thanks __________________ Mets in 2003...or 2074 Lets Go Mets!

07-21-2008, 08:52 PM	#3
metball4 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 328	Thats what I figured, which is very annoying bc it has me missing the playoffs. Is there any way I can edit the schedual now or is it too late. Booo OOTP..be smarter then this __________________ Mets in 2003...or 2074 Lets Go Mets!

07-21-2008, 09:05 PM	#5
metball4 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 328	Guess it is possible. It was a game b/t marlins and phillies (last place) bc they played only 161. Very frustrating.. __________________ Mets in 2003...or 2074 Lets Go Mets!

07-21-2008, 10:11 PM	#10
CRTsports.com Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 400	In my dynasty I only played 161 games in 2008. Was rained out a game and never made it up. __________________ Offline Solo League Kansas City Royals - (713-744)(1-3) -- READ ABOUT IT HERE!!! -- 2004 81-81----2012 83-79 -- 2005 64-98----2013 -- 2006 54-108 -- 2007 72-90 -- 2008 76-85 -- 2009 89-73 -- 2010 86-76 -- 2011 108-54 (1-3) Central Division Champs

07-21-2008, 10:59 PM	#14
CRTsports.com Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 400	It was actually in 6.5 and as you can see in the standings in my division, two teams played 163 games and two played 161. __________________ Offline Solo League Kansas City Royals - (713-744)(1-3) -- READ ABOUT IT HERE!!! -- 2004 81-81----2012 83-79 -- 2005 64-98----2013 -- 2006 54-108 -- 2007 72-90 -- 2008 76-85 -- 2009 89-73 -- 2010 86-76 -- 2011 108-54 (1-3) Central Division Champs Last edited by CRTsports.com; 07-21-2008 at 11:01 PM.

07-21-2008, 08:49 PM	#2
jayharvill Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 90	in real life that would not have happened....they would have made FLA, with their 161 games, play whatever team also played 161 games(in real life, this would be a make-up of a rained out game)...if they won that game, then yes, you would have had to play a one-game playoff for the division title if you had a 1.5 game lead and the FLA 162nd game meant nothing, then they wouldn't have played the game every year there are usually 2-4 teams who only play 161 games----they won't reschedule those late season rainouts unless it affects playoff positions/qualifying

07-21-2008, 08:55 PM	#4
Charley575 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 544	HOw does this even happen in OOTP? How did they miss a game? There aren't rainoouts in OOTP, are there? Well, I'm pretty sure that in real MLB, this situation would force them to make up the game first, then have the tie breaker, if necessary.

07-21-2008, 09:50 PM	#6
Cork55 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon, WI Posts: 1,588	There are no rain outs in OOTP. I would check the schedule that you are using to see if it actually contains the missing game. -Cork55

07-21-2008, 10:03 PM	#9
oldtime Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 127	You can always check the schedule on the reports page and make sure everyone is playing the same number of games, proper balance, etc. I always do this before running a season, or using a new schedule. If you get to the end of a season and this happens, before playing the one game playoff, you can go to the schedule edit screen, and add the phillies-marlins game to the last day of the season, so the results occur before a one day play off is needed.

07-21-2008, 10:12 PM	#11
oldtime Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 127	By the way, something very similar to this did happen in MLB in 1972. Because the season started very late due to a players strike, team picked up there schedules on the dates where they would have been without a strike, no make ups of lost games. The Detroit Tigers won he division by a half game. Detroit DET 86 70 .551 -- BostonRS BOS 85 70 .548 0.5 Bltmore BAL 80 74 .519 5.0 NewYorkY NYY 79 76 .510 6.5 Clvlnd CLE 72 84 .462 14.0 Milwkee MIL 65 91 .417 21.0

07-21-2008, 11:11 PM	#16
CRTsports.com Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 400	No custom schedule. I am using an old school HaloFan roster set that is from v6 at launch. Been moving the league over with every version. I have not had this happen since then but still a weird thing to happen. __________________ Offline Solo League Kansas City Royals - (713-744)(1-3) -- READ ABOUT IT HERE!!! -- 2004 81-81----2012 83-79 -- 2005 64-98----2013 -- 2006 54-108 -- 2007 72-90 -- 2008 76-85 -- 2009 89-73 -- 2010 86-76 -- 2011 108-54 (1-3) Central Division Champs

07-21-2008, 11:45 PM	#17
Cork55 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon, WI Posts: 1,588	I would double check your schedule to see if the same two teams played 161/163 games, because if they did, your schedule might be bad. If not, then it is a very odd bug. -Cork55

07-22-2008, 06:17 AM	#18
Lucas718 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 402	I would think Minnesota & Cleveland, the 2 teams who played 163 might have had a 1 game playoff. If you look at their recent streak, they would have finished tied after 162 games. Stats in a 1 game playoff count towards the regular season.