BZ 1520: Starters removed in Historical League

bailey · 06-27-2008, 12:13 AM

I created an historical league using the league creation wizard.

I started in 1871 and did not import history. I used neutralized stats and peak seasons of career.

Everything else was left as default except:

I changed the league name and I changed Cleveland Forest Citys to Cleveland Lumberjacks.

What I found was that starters like Bob Gibson and Greg Maddox led the leaderboard in Games Started, but generally had fewer innings pitched than games started which led to odd W-L records, like 5-100 for Maddox.

The earliest pitchers seem fine, but around 1920 you get pitchers like Dutch Leonard who started 630 games between 1912-1932 who had some years with normal IP and some years with less IP than GS. After 1940 starters routinely have less IP than GS.

I ended the sim on 1/1/2009 and this happened twice.

Tony M · 06-27-2008, 02:34 AM

If you go into League Setup and then along to the Strategy tab, what is showing as the modifier for Starter Endurance?

bailey · 06-27-2008, 03:23 AM

That's an interesting question. For both of my historical test leagues, when I try to go to the strategy tab, the game crashes.

Tony M · 06-27-2008, 03:29 AM

What sort of game results are you getting? The fact that Pitchers have IP<GS sort of implies getting shelled in the first inning. Can you look at some box scores in the first year and see what is going on (maybe post a few screenshots)

bailey · 06-27-2008, 04:24 AM

Most of the starters are taken out as soon as they give up a hit. If they don't give up a hit, they are lifted in the 3rd inning. I think it's odd the game crashes when I try to go to the strategy tab. For some reason, neither game will even open anymore. (It gets stuck at finalizing 100%).

Spritze · 06-27-2008, 10:15 PM

Starting Pitcher Endurance Modifier increases exponentially so if you could see the strategy tab and the field it would have numbers in the millions for that modifier.
You will notice the RP modifier never changes at all. That is because this modifier has the same problem and has been disabled.
This bug has been reported.

Nutlaw · 06-28-2008, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

This bug has been reported.

Do you have a BZ number for it?

Spritze · 06-29-2008, 06:22 PM

I have figured out how this is happening. The modifiers are trying to get to 25 or 26 outs per GS and OOTP does not get any higher than around 19 outs so the modifier increases for the next year again trying for 25 or 26 outs and even with the increased modifier it still only gets to around 19 so it increases the modifier again the next year and so on and so on. As time moves forward from 1871 this modifiers attains humongous levels. If you start a league in 1901 however the modifier tries to attain far fewer outs (around 20 or so) and this exponential increase does not happen for as many years and the exponential increase while still there is far less and eventually outs per GS falls to levels OOTP can attain.

I changed the era_stats.txt file and was able to put an end to the exponential increase by altering all the columns that had to do with SP or GS as I don't know which of them actually is the culprit. I simply dropped everything by 30% which was probably more than necessary but it did make the challenge go away.

Nutlaw · 07-12-2008, 11:18 AM

This issue was claimed fixed for the upcoming patch. If you still have trouble with this matter after patching, please post a link to this thread along with a detailed explanation of what happened and we will re-open this report. Thanks.

06-27-2008, 12:13 AM	#1
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,366	BZ 1520: Starters removed in Historical League I created an historical league using the league creation wizard. I started in 1871 and did not import history. I used neutralized stats and peak seasons of career. Everything else was left as default except: I changed the league name and I changed Cleveland Forest Citys to Cleveland Lumberjacks. What I found was that starters like Bob Gibson and Greg Maddox led the leaderboard in Games Started, but generally had fewer innings pitched than games started which led to odd W-L records, like 5-100 for Maddox. The earliest pitchers seem fine, but around 1920 you get pitchers like Dutch Leonard who started 630 games between 1912-1932 who had some years with normal IP and some years with less IP than GS. After 1940 starters routinely have less IP than GS. I ended the sim on 1/1/2009 and this happened twice. Last edited by bailey; 06-27-2008 at 12:14 AM.

06-27-2008, 02:34 AM	#2
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156	If you go into League Setup and then along to the Strategy tab, what is showing as the modifier for Starter Endurance? __________________ This signature is intentionally blank

06-27-2008, 03:29 AM	#4
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156	What sort of game results are you getting? The fact that Pitchers have IP<GS sort of implies getting shelled in the first inning. Can you look at some box scores in the first year and see what is going on (maybe post a few screenshots) __________________ This signature is intentionally blank

06-29-2008, 06:22 PM	#8
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Bz 1520 I have figured out how this is happening. The modifiers are trying to get to 25 or 26 outs per GS and OOTP does not get any higher than around 19 outs so the modifier increases for the next year again trying for 25 or 26 outs and even with the increased modifier it still only gets to around 19 so it increases the modifier again the next year and so on and so on. As time moves forward from 1871 this modifiers attains humongous levels. If you start a league in 1901 however the modifier tries to attain far fewer outs (around 20 or so) and this exponential increase does not happen for as many years and the exponential increase while still there is far less and eventually outs per GS falls to levels OOTP can attain. I changed the era_stats.txt file and was able to put an end to the exponential increase by altering all the columns that had to do with SP or GS as I don't know which of them actually is the culprit. I simply dropped everything by 30% which was probably more than necessary but it did make the challenge go away.

06-27-2008, 03:23 AM	#3
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,366	That's an interesting question. For both of my historical test leagues, when I try to go to the strategy tab, the game crashes.

06-27-2008, 04:24 AM	#5
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,366	Most of the starters are taken out as soon as they give up a hit. If they don't give up a hit, they are lifted in the 3rd inning. I think it's odd the game crashes when I try to go to the strategy tab. For some reason, neither game will even open anymore. (It gets stuck at finalizing 100%).

06-27-2008, 10:15 PM	#6
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Starting Pitcher Endurance Modifier increases exponentially so if you could see the strategy tab and the field it would have numbers in the millions for that modifier. You will notice the RP modifier never changes at all. That is because this modifier has the same problem and has been disabled. This bug has been reported.

07-12-2008, 11:18 AM	#9
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	This issue was claimed fixed for the upcoming patch. If you still have trouble with this matter after patching, please post a link to this thread along with a detailed explanation of what happened and we will re-open this report. Thanks.