PbP question - Page 2

Biggie Fries · 04-04-2003, 03:35 PM

Lots of good ideas here, and--as someone who plays out all of my team's games--well worth implementing at least some of them.
I have never seen a triple play. Unfortunately--pace Eugene Church--I have seen two or three double plays with catcher in the middle this season, and they have cost me some big innings. Otherwise, I'm pretty much where everyone else is...
If I had to start somewhere, I'd start with some folks being thrown out at second trying to stretch singles into doubles.
Also, I have mixed feelings about the pick-off business, which seems to be new to OOTP5. It is more realistic. But, when you are managing your own team, and not trying to steal, it can only be a negative. That is, when the search engine is simming against itself, the pick-offs can plausibly be a cost of whatever stealing activity is going on. But if you are not electing to steal...

LAH · 04-04-2003, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by ctorg
One thing I've seen happen plenty of times in OOTP4 that I'd like not to see happen very often (since it would be a real mental lapse if a guy did this):

Bases loaded, no outs, bottom of the ninth, tie score. Batter hits a groundball to infielder. Infielder picks it up and throws to first, retiring the runner, but the winning run scores, game over.

Perhaps this is fixed in OOTP5, but I don't play games out anymore because I can't stand the PBP.

You need to bring the infield in for a play at the plate...

SSG Troyer · 04-04-2003, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by LAH
You need to bring the infield in for a play at the plate...

But even with the infield back, given the situation, the play should be attempted.

LAH · 04-04-2003, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by SSG Troyer
But even with the infield back, given the situation, the play should be attempted.

I agree.

I also wish there was a "double play depth" option.

But, seeing the rate of progress this series has had with its actual simulation of the game of baseball, I will not hold my breath.

ctorg · 04-04-2003, 04:20 PM

I don't know about OOTP5, but in OOTP4, I actually had it happen with the infield in.

Eugene Church · 04-04-2003, 06:46 PM

We are lucky to have Marcus, Steve and all of the good guys at OOTPB. They listen to us and do all they can to make the game what we want it to be. They can't do it all...Rome wasn't built in a day. I'm sure it is their intention to have all of the basic plays included in the game. One day it will...hopefully OOTP6.

Till then, I will continue to play the game...send in constructive criticism...and be patient.

SSG Troyer · 04-04-2003, 09:46 PM

Or 7 or 8 or 32 ... doesn't matter to me. I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it. Markus has written a great program as it stands right now ... heck, as it stood in OOTP3. Combine the gameplay with the support he's given over the years, and Markus has earned and will receive $35 a year from me for as long as he keeps publishing.

dougtimms · 04-04-2003, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by ctorg
One thing I've seen happen plenty of times in OOTP4 that I'd like not to see happen very often (since it would be a real mental lapse if a guy did this):

Bases loaded, no outs, bottom of the ninth, tie score. Batter hits a groundball to infielder. Infielder picks it up and throws to first, retiring the runner, but the winning run scores, game over.

Perhaps this is fixed in OOTP5, but I don't play games out anymore because I can't stand the PBP.

No, this has not been fixed in ootp5. if i didn't know it was a bug, I'd send my SS down to single A before the end of the 9th inning!

*sigh*

TigerGDK · 04-05-2003, 03:07 AM

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Has anyone else ever gotten the "runner is thrown-out at second trying to stretch a double into a triple" play in the PbP? Gotten that one twice in about 100 games.

Just got one of those in my first week of a new fictional sim... first I'd ever seen.

::edit:: make that two in the fist week!

jmknpk · 04-05-2003, 04:03 PM

Since I enjoy playing most of the games (rather than simming), more variation in descriptions, and distribution of plays more realistic (I have never seen a player thrown out at 2nd base stretching a single...If he's going, seems he's as good as made it).

But what I'd rather see before any of this are more play-by-play options.

For example, pitch by pitch mode for stealing (if the first pitch is a strike, may want to wait and attempt steal if second pitch is a ball...but don't have the functionality).

Also, pitch by pitch would be nice for hit-and-run decisions.

The game offers some decent options for defensive stance (hold runner, guard lines,...). But there's not much ability to indicate to my base coaches what I'd like...e.g. Be aggressive, be conservative,...

Also, I am often frustrated when some options are not presented to me (such as bunt for hit, or hit and run, or steal third, or steal home),... sometimes plays that may not make a lot of sense stiuationally (rare/unusual manager decision) ...but I reserve the right to be a foolish manager and call a foolish play (I may actually have a good reason)...may be a thin line between unexpected surprise and foolish.

I'm getting irritated with my base runners getting picked off more than seems normal, and not having ability to tell them to adjust conservatively when they're not stealing.

Would be nice to request a cutoff play or whatever.

I'd like the option to disable the Argue Call prompt (I don't see that it does me much good).

Would be nice to some how fine tune the base running decisions, etc... with a slider bar or something (haven't even checked...maybe the manager tendencies work in-game for PbP..but doubt it). For example, in my experience, because success greatly outweighs failure of tagging up or going for that extra base when prompted, I have a tendency to always go for it. Would be nice to not be bothered by the question, and just say run aggressively. Or alternately an option to say let me decide every single decision.

jmknpk · 04-05-2003, 04:25 PM

I wish there was an option to say "No color commentary". For each play just give me a simple report. "6-3 out". "Single". "HR!"....whatever. And don't make me click the mouse or hit return for every play. I want ability to make management decisions after each play, but want the game to move along as quickly as possible.

Sometimes I am playing a game more because I want to micro-manage my team (pinch hitters, pitch count, reliever usage..save for later game in series) than watch the game.

For example, blowout situation or I've already clinched a playoff spot, or I'm playing a very weak team....

In these cases, I usually turn the PbP to Very Fast...and ignore whatever it says...and just watch the scoreboard. But sometimes I miss something that I would have noticed had I been following a simple play by play report.

dougtimms · 04-05-2003, 08:00 PM

While we're at it, another item I wish were in the pbp options would be the ability, as a manager, to tell my batters to be patient at the plate.

There are several cases where I would want to do this, for example, if a pitcher walks the first 2 batters, then when the 3rd batter comes up, I would want to tell him not to swing the bat until the pitcher threw a strike.

Antonin · 04-05-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by SSG Troyer
Or 7 or 8 or 32 ... doesn't matter to me. I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it. Markus has written a great program as it stands right now ..... Combine the gameplay with the support he's given over the years, and Markus has earned and will receive $35 a year from me for as long as he keeps publishing.

I agree completely here. I respect the opinions of those who see the pbp setup as extremely flawed, but I will repeat what I said earlier: OOTP5 comes close enough to real baseball to be very exciting and satisfying--to me. Given the number of things that can happen during a RL baseball game, and the complexity of trying to "get the game right" in God-knows how many lines of code, I'm amazed at what the game manages to do. It mimics pretty darned closely what I see when I watch a baseball game on TV. It gives me the feeling that I am actually managing a team and creating my own baseball legend.

I see the opposing team intentionally walk my slugger DH exactly when it would be appropriate to do so. I see my catcher throw out runners trying to steal second. I see double plays, and amazing catches by my outfielders and infielders. I see errors, passed balls, hitting streaks, etc.

I wonder if it's possible to get EVERY type of RL baseball play into the PbP. But come on guys, a lot of stuff IS there already.

And I got OOTP5 for just $45 (with CD)? With all the flexibility this game has, that was a steal.

04-04-2003, 03:35 PM	#21
Biggie Fries Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bryn Mawr, PA USA Posts: 115	PbP stuff Lots of good ideas here, and--as someone who plays out all of my team's games--well worth implementing at least some of them. <p>I have <i>never</i> seen a triple play. Unfortunately--<i>pace</i> Eugene Church--I have seen two or three double plays with catcher in the middle this season, and they have cost me some big innings. Otherwise, I'm pretty much where everyone else is... <p>If I had to start somewhere, I'd start with some folks being thrown out at second trying to stretch singles into doubles. <p>Also, I have mixed feelings about the pick-off business, which seems to be new to OOTP5. It is more realistic. But, when you are managing your own team, and not trying to steal, it can only be a negative. That is, when the search engine is simming against itself, the pick-offs can plausibly be a cost of whatever stealing activity is going on. But if you are not electing to steal...

04-04-2003, 04:20 PM	#25
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I don't know about OOTP5, but in OOTP4, I actually had it happen with the infield in. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

04-04-2003, 09:46 PM	#27
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,598	Or 7 or 8 or 32 ... doesn't matter to me. I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it. Markus has written a great program as it stands right now ... heck, as it stood in OOTP3. Combine the gameplay with the support he's given over the years, and Markus has earned and will receive $35 a year from me for as long as he keeps publishing. __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

04-04-2003, 06:46 PM	#26
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36,056	We are lucky to have Marcus, Steve and all of the good guys at OOTPB. They listen to us and do all they can to make the game what we want it to be. They can't do it all...Rome wasn't built in a day. I'm sure it is their intention to have all of the basic plays included in the game. One day it will...hopefully OOTP6. Till then, I will continue to play the game...send in constructive criticism...and be patient.

04-05-2003, 04:03 PM	#30
jmknpk Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 39	Since I enjoy playing most of the games (rather than simming), more variation in descriptions, and distribution of plays more realistic (I have never seen a player thrown out at 2nd base stretching a single...If he's going, seems he's as good as made it). But what I'd rather see before any of this are more play-by-play options. For example, pitch by pitch mode for stealing (if the first pitch is a strike, may want to wait and attempt steal if second pitch is a ball...but don't have the functionality). Also, pitch by pitch would be nice for hit-and-run decisions. The game offers some decent options for defensive stance (hold runner, guard lines,...). But there's not much ability to indicate to my base coaches what I'd like...e.g. Be aggressive, be conservative,... Also, I am often frustrated when some options are not presented to me (such as bunt for hit, or hit and run, or steal third, or steal home),... sometimes plays that may not make a lot of sense stiuationally (rare/unusual manager decision) ...but I reserve the right to be a foolish manager and call a foolish play (I may actually have a good reason)...may be a thin line between unexpected surprise and foolish. I'm getting irritated with my base runners getting picked off more than seems normal, and not having ability to tell them to adjust conservatively when they're not stealing. Would be nice to request a cutoff play or whatever. I'd like the option to disable the Argue Call prompt (I don't see that it does me much good). Would be nice to some how fine tune the base running decisions, etc... with a slider bar or something (haven't even checked...maybe the manager tendencies work in-game for PbP..but doubt it). For example, in my experience, because success greatly outweighs failure of tagging up or going for that extra base when prompted, I have a tendency to always go for it. Would be nice to not be bothered by the question, and just say run aggressively. Or alternately an option to say let me decide every single decision.

04-05-2003, 04:25 PM	#31
jmknpk Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 39	I wish there was an option to say "No color commentary". For each play just give me a simple report. "6-3 out". "Single". "HR!"....whatever. And don't make me click the mouse or hit return for every play. I want ability to make management decisions after each play, but want the game to move along as quickly as possible. Sometimes I am playing a game more because I want to micro-manage my team (pinch hitters, pitch count, reliever usage..save for later game in series) than watch the game. For example, blowout situation or I've already clinched a playoff spot, or I'm playing a very weak team.... In these cases, I usually turn the PbP to Very Fast...and ignore whatever it says...and just watch the scoreboard. But sometimes I miss something that I would have noticed had I been following a simple play by play report.

04-05-2003, 08:00 PM	#32
dougtimms Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: 1 Posts: 24	While we're at it, another item I wish were in the pbp options would be the ability, as a manager, to tell my batters to be patient at the plate. There are several cases where I would want to do this, for example, if a pitcher walks the first 2 batters, then when the 3rd batter comes up, I would want to tell him not to swing the bat until the pitcher threw a strike.