Auto-fill minors or not?

rbhollow63 · 04-04-2003, 10:41 PM

I just downloaded the roster sets from the Baseball Archive and am about to start managing a season with the '84 Cubbies. I noticed that my minor league teams are severly depleted. I hate to think what happens if a rash of injuries breaks out. Should I auto fill all my minor leagues from the league setup or not? If I do, will it auto fill for all teams or just mine? Thanks as always for responding.

Steve Kuffrey · 04-04-2003, 10:43 PM

No, do not "fill minors", if you do anything fill AA or so.......just for depth.

blackrussian · 04-04-2003, 11:13 PM

when would you recommend using the fill minors option? i took yr suggestion a while ago, about the AA fill and it worked well. got depth without being buried in players.

v'

Steve Kuffrey · 04-04-2003, 11:20 PM

Personally, I would never "fill minors".

Qrusher14242 · 04-04-2003, 11:42 PM

Can the option for it be removed then in at least until it gets fixed? Would help so people unaware that it will cause problems wont use it.

blackrussian · 04-04-2003, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
Personally, I would never "fill minors".

not to be too facetious, but why have this option then? i guess it doesnt hurt, esp. since you can do it for each level of the organization...

what about starting an empty league, filling the minors for all the teams, then promoting a 25 man roster from your newly created minor leaguers (for each team)? i imagine it would make for some bad teams but it might be interesting.

v'

Steve Kuffrey · 04-05-2003, 12:00 AM

The above case would be the only time I guess that I would use it.

BleacherBum · 04-05-2003, 12:47 AM

I thought I had found another use for this - getting the CPU teams loaded with 3rd and 4th stringers, so they would focus their spending on top talent. No luck though. See attached detail if interested...

http://www.400studios.com/board/show...threadid=30219

LedgerSko · 04-05-2003, 12:59 AM

dont do it

tcblcommish · 04-05-2003, 01:58 AM

I must have missed this before, what happens when you do that?

c-man · 04-05-2003, 02:36 AM

I really, really, really wish the AI would be tweaked to be able to manage full minor league rosters, and manage the finances of minor leaguers in a more realistic way. Having a game function (fill minors) that you shouldn't use because the AI can't handle it is strange, especially since it has been this way for at least 3 versions of the game. Also having to manually monitor the AI's minors management and limit draft picks to prevent logjams is a problem that has been in the game since I started playing at version 3.

It seems like a fairly fundamental aspect of the game, and it seems like fixing this should assume a higher priority IMHO. Not only for realism but also, it is a major handicap to the AI that it can't manage it's minor league system effectively. Full minors was supposed to be a feature of 5 and I hope that it still will be.

sorry i really don't mean to rant, this particular problem really gets me for some reason. It is a gameplay issue that I think should assume a very high priority, if not the highest, over more cosmetic aspects of the game.

blackrussian · 04-05-2003, 03:32 AM

when i first started playing the game, i filled up all the minors and had some really bizarre results. when i went into the transaction screen, some players listed (in AAA for example) did not match the profile when the name was clicked on.

but yeah, otherwise its as good as having one level of minors.

v'

jmknpk · 04-05-2003, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
Personally, I would never "fill minors".

Is that a) personal preference, b) because of a bug (i.e. my league is going to be hosed somewhere down the road), or c) because there will be too many players and player distribution/promotion won't fall out in a natural way?

I've been playing fill minors every league I've started (thought of it as having beginning of season tryouts to fill my minor clubs). I haven't played any seasons long enought to notice a big problem (I play every game). But would like to find out whether I "should" stop filling leagues.

Thanks

Johnny Slick · 04-05-2003, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmknpk
Is that a) personal preference, b) because of a bug (i.e. my league is going to be hosed somewhere down the road), or c) because there will be too many players and player distribution/promotion won't fall out in a natural way?

I've been playing fill minors every league I've started (thought of it as having beginning of season tryouts to fill my minor clubs). I haven't played any seasons long enought to notice a big problem (I play every game). But would like to find out whether I "should" stop filling leagues.

I don't think I've ever seen an undrafted player even reach the majors, so I don't think it's a very big deal either way. Think of it as the in-game equivalent of late-round drafting.

John Craven

autarkis33 · 04-05-2003, 11:26 AM

The only time you ever want to do that is starting with an empty league, which I don't know why you would do that anyways as you could just start with fictional players. Fictional players are far better as a whole for talent. Maybe you don't want to draft or something.

But otherwise, pushing that button and confirming is the fastest way to wreck your league.

Applecorey · 04-05-2003, 11:38 AM

I tried that. I deleted all the players and filled the minors with minors. Ran computer manager and let it play. The League totals ratings were very difficult to adjust.
You get low average high homer hitters. It took me 70 years to get league totals to come out normal. I doubt the totals i ended up with would have worked in the first year. This was with OOTP4. Maybe OOTP5 adjusts better. I'll probably try it again. It was interesting having a team full of .200 hitters who all hit 30 homers.

blackrussian · 04-05-2003, 03:38 PM

i got similar results, but not quite as extreme. the league was definitely pitching oriented. only 1 .300 hitter but a bunch of guys who hit 40+ homers. interestingly, no 20 game winners. the league stats actually reminded me of '68 type baseball.

v'

04-04-2003, 10:41 PM	#1
rbhollow63 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, TN Posts: 45	Auto-fill minors or not? I just downloaded the roster sets from the Baseball Archive and am about to start managing a season with the '84 Cubbies. I noticed that my minor league teams are severly depleted. I hate to think what happens if a rash of injuries breaks out. Should I auto fill all my minor leagues from the league setup or not? If I do, will it auto fill for all teams or just mine? Thanks as always for responding.

04-04-2003, 10:43 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	No, do not "fill minors", if you do anything fill AA or so.......just for depth. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-04-2003, 11:13 PM	#3
blackrussian All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 954	when would you recommend using the fill minors option? i took yr suggestion a while ago, about the AA fill and it worked well. got depth without being buried in players. v' __________________ v'

04-04-2003, 11:20 PM	#4
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Personally, I would never "fill minors". __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-05-2003, 12:00 AM	#7
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	The above case would be the only time I guess that I would use it. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-04-2003, 11:42 PM	#5
Qrusher14242 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,253	Can the option for it be removed then in at least until it gets fixed? Would help so people unaware that it will cause problems wont use it.

04-05-2003, 12:47 AM	#8
BleacherBum All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 672	I thought I had found another use for this - getting the CPU teams loaded with 3rd and 4th stringers, so they would focus their spending on top talent. No luck though. See attached detail if interested... http://www.400studios.com/board/show...threadid=30219 __________________ Right Field Sucks!

04-05-2003, 12:59 AM	#9
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	dont do it

04-05-2003, 01:58 AM	#10
tcblcommish Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,444	I must have missed this before, what happens when you do that?

04-05-2003, 02:36 AM	#11
c-man Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 130	I really, really, really wish the AI would be tweaked to be able to manage full minor league rosters, and manage the finances of minor leaguers in a more realistic way. Having a game function (fill minors) that you shouldn't use because the AI can't handle it is strange, especially since it has been this way for at least 3 versions of the game. Also having to manually monitor the AI's minors management and limit draft picks to prevent logjams is a problem that has been in the game since I started playing at version 3. It seems like a fairly fundamental aspect of the game, and it seems like fixing this should assume a higher priority IMHO. Not only for realism but also, it is a major handicap to the AI that it can't manage it's minor league system effectively. Full minors was supposed to be a feature of 5 and I hope that it still will be. sorry i really don't mean to rant, this particular problem really gets me for some reason. It is a gameplay issue that I think should assume a very high priority, if not the highest, over more cosmetic aspects of the game. Last edited by c-man; 04-05-2003 at 02:39 AM.

04-05-2003, 03:32 AM	#12
blackrussian All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 954	when i first started playing the game, i filled up all the minors and had some really bizarre results. when i went into the transaction screen, some players listed (in AAA for example) did not match the profile when the name was clicked on. but yeah, otherwise its as good as having one level of minors. v' __________________ v'

04-05-2003, 11:26 AM	#15
autarkis33 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 247	The only time you ever want to do that is starting with an empty league, which I don't know why you would do that anyways as you could just start with fictional players. Fictional players are far better as a whole for talent. Maybe you don't want to draft or something. But otherwise, pushing that button and confirming is the fastest way to wreck your league. __________________ "I'm not crazy, I'm just a little unwell" Commissioner of the <A HREF="http://www.bpla-ootp.com">BPLA</A> GM of the Iowa Crop Circles in <A HREF="http://www.dpbl.net/potd">POTD</A> Manager of the Lennongrad Coleopteras in <A HREF="http://beta.simleagues.com">Beta Baseball</A> Only HOF Leftfielder in LBL - 2nd career AVG, 3B's and SB's - 3rd in Hits and HR's

04-05-2003, 11:38 AM	#16
Applecorey Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 307	Filling teams with just minor leagers. I tried that. I deleted all the players and filled the minors with minors. Ran computer manager and let it play. The League totals ratings were very difficult to adjust. You get low average high homer hitters. It took me 70 years to get league totals to come out normal. I doubt the totals i ended up with would have worked in the first year. This was with OOTP4. Maybe OOTP5 adjusts better. I'll probably try it again. It was interesting having a team full of .200 hitters who all hit 30 homers. __________________ www.boardgamegeek.com

04-05-2003, 03:38 PM	#17
blackrussian All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 954	i got similar results, but not quite as extreme. the league was definitely pitching oriented. only 1 .300 hitter but a bunch of guys who hit 40+ homers. interestingly, no 20 game winners. the league stats actually reminded me of '68 type baseball. v' __________________ v'