Unrealistic AI Contract Negotiations Inflating the Market

ttsec · 06-29-2008, 02:58 AM

It seems the AI teams in OOTP are way too generous in giving out expensive contracts. I always see extensions and free agents being signed for amounts that are, IMO, way more than the player is worth.

I know the AI can do better, because I always am able to sign players less than their demand and maybe even less than their value.

For example, I just sign my silver-slugger winning 30 yr-old star first baseman who hits over 1.000 OPS to a 10 million a year contract for 5 years with last year being team option. The AI however, always sign much crappier players to 15+ million a year contracts.

Unfortunately the AI's money-wasting ways are slowly inflating the prices in my league and my frugal negotiations are getting tougher and tougher.

By the way, of 28 teams (I'm the only human team), only 2 teams are in the green (financially), and one of those is me. I make over 30 million in excess cash a year, and most of that goes to revenue sharing. So, I'm, in essence, helping fund the AI's poor spending habits via revenue sharing.

And it's not as if my cheapness prevents me from having a good team, because I already won 3 world series in a row.

IRL, most teams try to be as frugal as possible, but it seems in OOTP every AI team thinks they are they Yankees, but unlike the RL Yankees, they don't all have the market to support their wasteful spending.

I hope the AI becomes "smarter" in the future versions, at least when it comes to spending habits.

Carplos · 06-29-2008, 05:45 AM

As Markus has pointed out--if the AI has cash, they will spend it.

Find a way to lower the amount of cash in the league and contracts should come down.

Markus Heinsohn · 06-29-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Carplos

As Markus has pointed out--if the AI has cash, they will spend it.

Find a way to lower the amount of cash in the league and contracts should come down.

Right

It's the way it works in real life... supply & demand.

TonyJ · 06-29-2008, 07:54 AM

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Carplos · 06-29-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Right

It's the way it works in real life... supply & demand.

But in real life there are all sorts of other expenses which aren't emulated in OOTP. Cash is artificially inflated in OOTP.

I'm all for "supply and demand," but there should be something that keeps the more absurd contracts in line with your contract settings.

tysok · 06-29-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ttsec

It seems the AI teams in OOTP are way too generous in giving out expensive contracts. I always see extensions and free agents being signed for amounts that are, IMO, way more than the player is worth.

I know the AI can do better, because I always am able to sign players less than their demand and maybe even less than their value.

For example, I just sign my silver-slugger winning 30 yr-old star first baseman who hits over 1.000 OPS to a 10 million a year contract for 5 years with last year being team option. The AI however, always sign much crappier players to 15+ million a year contracts.

Unfortunately the AI's money-wasting ways are slowly inflating the prices in my league and my frugal negotiations are getting tougher and tougher.

By the way, of 28 teams (I'm the only human team), only 2 teams are in the green (financially), and one of those is me. I make over 30 million in excess cash a year, and most of that goes to revenue sharing. So, I'm, in essence, helping fund the AI's poor spending habits via revenue sharing.

And it's not as if my cheapness prevents me from having a good team, because I already won 3 world series in a row.

IRL, most teams try to be as frugal as possible, but it seems in OOTP every AI team thinks they are they Yankees, but unlike the RL Yankees, they don't all have the market to support their wasteful spending.

I hope the AI becomes "smarter" in the future versions, at least when it comes to spending habits.

You're signing them to extensions for cheap money? That has been the norm for quite a while. Hadn't heard how the testing went on that this year. Players don't appear to ask for enough in extensions and you can get them cheap.

What year is your league in? Sounds like you're in year 4, 5, or 6... right in the middle of the balloon effect.

ttsec · 06-29-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tysok

What year is your league in? Sounds like you're in year 4, 5, or 6... right in the middle of the balloon effect.

I just got done w/ year 3. I don't know much about OOTP economics.

ike121212 · 06-29-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tysok

What year is your league in? Sounds like you're in year 4, 5, or 6... right in the middle of the balloon effect.

Any advice on how to tweak through these years? I cringe when I see the AI give out contracts for 30%+ of their budget. I've resorted to changing the salary guidelines after each season, but I hate doing it.

tysok · 06-29-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ike121212

Any advice on how to tweak through these years? I cringe when I see the AI give out contracts for 30%+ of their budget. I've resorted to changing the salary guidelines after each season, but I hate doing it.

Year 3 is usually the beginning of the balloon. Probably most teams have a huge surplus of cash... and it's burning a hole through the AI's pockets. They want to spend it and they want to spend it NOW! (not unlike my wife, but that's a different story).

That balloon is going to last a while, then all teams will go heavily into the red... and when it sorts itself out you'll be in a nice little niche for the rest of your league. All of that based on what I've seen with default financials and the way everything seems to keep shaking out.

I don't know how to control it, but haven't put a lot of effort into testing. You may want to have a very low cash max (say 1-2 million) for the first 10 or so years of the league.... or maybe go in as commish and take away most of their cash at the very end of every season for the first 10 or so years.

pipermac · 07-02-2008, 01:53 PM

Mmm..Teams Wastng Money over paying for players? ya I never see that in real life!

Sounds to me like it is pretty accurate to real life!

The only thing I have a problem with is that the salaries are out of whack with the year.

Players in the late 70's making millions of dollars when in real life Kirby Puckett and Ri9ckey Henderson were the first 3 million dollar players and that wasnt until 1989!

06-29-2008, 02:58 AM	#1
ttsec Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 22	Unrealistic AI Contract Negotiations Inflating the Market It seems the AI teams in OOTP are way too generous in giving out expensive contracts. I always see extensions and free agents being signed for amounts that are, IMO, way more than the player is worth. I know the AI can do better, because I always am able to sign players less than their demand and maybe even less than their value. For example, I just sign my silver-slugger winning 30 yr-old star first baseman who hits over 1.000 OPS to a 10 million a year contract for 5 years with last year being team option. The AI however, always sign much crappier players to 15+ million a year contracts. Unfortunately the AI's money-wasting ways are slowly inflating the prices in my league and my frugal negotiations are getting tougher and tougher. By the way, of 28 teams (I'm the only human team), only 2 teams are in the green (financially), and one of those is me. I make over 30 million in excess cash a year, and most of that goes to revenue sharing. So, I'm, in essence, helping fund the AI's poor spending habits via revenue sharing. And it's not as if my cheapness prevents me from having a good team, because I already won 3 world series in a row. IRL, most teams try to be as frugal as possible, but it seems in OOTP every AI team thinks they are they Yankees, but unlike the RL Yankees, they don't all have the market to support their wasteful spending. I hope the AI becomes "smarter" in the future versions, at least when it comes to spending habits. Last edited by ttsec; 06-29-2008 at 03:13 AM.

06-29-2008, 07:54 AM	#4
TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	OT, but I am still waiting impatiently for pictures of Markus getting fit shaced with some randoms to surface a la Dirk Nowitzki. If there is a God this will happen someday. I honestly don't know why this otherwise uneventful thread brought that on but it did. Markus is German. Germans loves them some alcohol. This scenario will happen someday and the OOTP community will react with collective glee when it does. Sooner as opposed to later my friends. TMKUTGW __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

06-29-2008, 05:45 AM	#2
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,845 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	As Markus has pointed out--if the AI has cash, they will spend it. Find a way to lower the amount of cash in the league and contracts should come down.

07-02-2008, 01:53 PM	#10
pipermac Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 6	Mmm..Teams Wastng Money over paying for players? ya I never see that in real life! Sounds to me like it is pretty accurate to real life! The only thing I have a problem with is that the salaries are out of whack with the year. Players in the late 70's making millions of dollars when in real life Kirby Puckett and Ri9ckey Henderson were the first 3 million dollar players and that wasnt until 1989!