Elicense Remote Usage

[cloakscott]

Ugh, I hated this idea of elicense to begin with as it is essentially us leasing usage of this game. But I got over it.

It is non-sensical that I can't install this on all of my computers
and expect to play it at whichever one i'm sitting down, but as I use only 2 computers mainly I survive just being able to play it on either of them.

However, now I've found an even stupider aspect. I have the game installed on my laptop and when I connect to my laptop remotely from my desktop as I often do, I cannot play OOTP5 as "This game is not licensed for remote use". This is utterly horrible, and completely ruins my ability to play the game I PAID FOR as I want to.

I can still get the game to work if I play directly on the laptop, but I don't want to do that.

In any case, if .400 continues to use eLicense they have lost 1 very sad customer who enjoys the games greatly.

Oh well.

[jjmac69]

I have to say I agree with you. I hate elicense. I still haven't bought V5 and I have all of them. I cant get by the feeling I am leasing the game. The sad thing is if a hacker wants the game there is a program out there that cracks elicense very easily (wont name it). I will probably break down eventually and purchase the game (wont crack it as I respect Steve and Markus too much) but I really wish they would consider another CD option (without elicence or soft wrap) Just my opinion

[Joe Canadian]

Originally posted by cloakscott
In any case, if .400 continues to use eLicense they have lost 1 very sad customer who enjoys the games greatly.

You'd actually stop buying the games completely if they continue to use eLicence?

[Qrusher14242]

i hate elicense too. I cant understand why they do it since its not any harder to crack than any other game and it just makes it inconvenient for the person who paid the money to get it. Why was the licenses reduced to 2? Just wondering.

[MVPlaya]

Why wouldn't they make it available in stores? I mean why did they lose their contract with Season Ticket Baseball..they would still get high sales.

[Steve Kuffrey]

Originally posted by RDizzle3
Why wouldn't they make it available in stores? I mean why did they lose their contract with Season Ticket Baseball..they would still get high sales.

Because it costs ALOT of $$$$ to produce a CD, then packaging, shipping, art work for the box, etc, etc....plus more time. Also, if you will take a look here we didn't "lose" our contract they(Infogrames) just decided not to do "any" of the "season ticket" games.

http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...threadid=25760

For US elicense is the most resource effective method, feel free to do a search on the topic as this is NOT a new topic and has been discussed many times as far as why this is so.

[Springtime_for_Hunter]

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Self-rightious crap like this makes it all the more tempting to crack the elicense.

It's clearly <b>not</b> the most resource-effective method, at least in your CD version, which you're selling anyway. Why pay elicense a commission on your sales?

[Qrusher14242]

I dont understand the need for the elicense. Why not send the buyer a key to enter into the game when they run it? Would seem better and less of a hassle.

[MVPlaya]

I dont understand the need for the elicense. Why not send the buyer a key to enter into the game when they run it? Would seem better and less of a hassle.

True, same as a CD.

[Joe Canadian]

Originally posted by Springtime_for_Hunter
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Self-rightious crap like this makes it all the more tempting to crack the elicense.

It's clearly <b>not</b> the most resource-effective method, at least in your CD version, which you're selling anyway. Why pay elicense a commission on your sales?

It's not self-rightious crap, its the truth. The easiest and most cost effective way for .400 Studios to release it's products is via eLicense, at least at this current time. The majority of users have not had any problems with eLicence, and most of the time if someone is having problems with eLicense it has to do with their CPU configuration or other programs on their computer interfering with eLicense. While those problems are unfortunate, ViaTech offers excellent cutomer support and usually replies to e-mails within hours.

I agree it sucks you can't install the game on multiple(more than two) computers, but by doing that its saves .400 Studios money since it prevents people from "sharing" the game. I realize some people want to install it on 3+ cpu's but you can always unlicense the game on one cpu... Allowing remote acess to the game would be nice, but it offers more of a chance that people whould be "sharing" the game.

I'll admit eLicense isn't the ideal way to buy software, however with .400 Studios being a small business it makes economical sence to them, and really thats what matters. It doesn't make much sence for a small business to release a game that is very easy to "share" since they'd loose alot of money.

Oh, and one final thing... saying you are going to crack the game, thus stealing from .400 Studios, is a great way to get banned .

[Treches]

I understand cloakscott's point and also agree that the elicense, despite the immediacy it brings along, is somewhat a pain on certain areas. I have gotten used to it anyway thus far, but still don't agree with the move to reduce the purchase to two licenses instead of three. I comprehend .400 not wanting to see the game passed around, but can also see the customers having to go to Markus' place to play OOTP7 at this pace.

[Joe Canadian]

As far as I know the decision to reduce the number of eLicences was a ViaTech decision, I don't think .400 Studios had a say in it... but I could be wrong.

[TigerGDK]

I comprehend .400 not wanting to see the game passed around, but can also see the customers having to go to Markus' place to play OOTP7 at this pace.

Great idea! Markus... when's the party???

[tcblcommish]

Originally posted by RDizzle3
Why wouldn't they make it available in stores? I mean why did they lose their contract with Season Ticket Baseball..they would still get high sales.

Obviously they didn't get high sales becuase if they did, Infogrames would not allow this to just disappear. I know here and around the Canadian places there is no computer store owners that even wanted it becuase they said it wouldn't sell.
I know that my buddy who ownes a store didn't carry it becuase the supplier to him wouldn't touch it.

However, now I've found an even stupider aspect. I have the game installed on my laptop and when I connect to my laptop remotely from my desktop as I often do, I cannot play OOTP5 as "This game is not licensed for remote use". This is utterly horrible, and completely ruins my ability to play the game I PAID FOR as I want to.

Did you contact ViaTech and ask them if you can have another code so you can place it on 3 computers?
I know that I did that for the ootp4 version and I got a 4th code.
just curious

This is getting to be an old subject. Elicence is the EASIEST way to sell their game, period. If they anger a few people so be it but they will lose more money by using a CD version that doesn't use Elicence than if they kept those in the minority that don't buy the game becuase of it.

To the people that want the store bought CD, do you have any idea how much the cost is to do all that? not to mention the fact that the game would be shipped from Germany (i believe) and would cost a lot of money just for the shipping. The box, manual, CD and case and all the other crap that goes along with it would be very hard for Markus to do.

I too, blasted the ELicence idea and then I truely looked at how much would go into the company trying to produce the CD versions and how much it would cost.

Please let this issue rest... It has been stated many many times before and won't be changing in the near future.

[Bluenoser]

Originally posted by tcblcommish
I know here and around the Canadian places there is no computer store owners that even wanted it becuase they said it wouldn't sell.

I had no problem finding it in stores down east.

Originally posted by tcblcommish
To the people that want the store bought CD, do you have any idea how much the cost is to do all that? not to mention the fact that the game would be shipped from Germany (i believe) and would cost a lot of money just for the shipping. The box, manual, CD and case and all the other crap that goes along with it would be very hard for Markus to do.

I for one would be more than happy to pay the extra cost

Originally posted by tcblcommish
Please let this issue rest... It has been stated many many times before and won't be changing in the near future.

As a consumer, it's my right to make requests of a manufacturer. If we don't express our wishes to the manufacturer, than change is less likely to happen. Sometimes it takes a lot of "expressing" to get change.

Remember, no one is forcing you to read the threads on this subject.

[tcblcommish]

I know that no one is forcing me to read this post but it is also my right to respond as I see fit. I don't understand why there has to be 30 or 40 of these posts that all say the same thing. Why not just start one and keep posting in it. Might have more power with one thread with 500 replies.

I am not trying to bash anyone at all and I never said you didn't have a "Right" to say want you want.

[Steve Kuffrey]

Guys we DO appreciate the fact that you voice your opinions and thoughts on various issues concerning our products....I hope that you will continue to do so. With that being said, I don't see the way our games are distributed changing anytime soon for reasons that have been expressed here and in similar topics.

Put please don't cease voicing your thoughts they are read and considered.

[cloakscott]

Yes, I will not buy another e-licensed game in the future. Ugh. Customers and customer-satisfaction obviously don't matter, its just the bottom-line that does. Using a simple key (which is just as easy to crack as elicense, but deters most hobbiest pirates) would be easy to implement and would make customers much happier, but since they supposedly (although they haven't tested it, so they can't really KNOW) make more money with eLicense they will continue to do it and make their customers angry.

Like I said, the game is amazing, but I can't buy another eLicensed game, it just won't let me use it how I want to.

[Twelvefield]

Here's my thoughts:

1) Infogrames is not my favorite games company. They're usually just on the apathetic side of terrible. It's not a loss to lose their so-called "support" for Season Ticket Baseball.

2) E-licensing is exactly equally lousy as Infogrames, right down to the last iota. The two are different entities, but exactly awful in their usefulness to society as a whole.

So, you pick your poison. Personally, I would have liked to go to the store and buy a packaged game. I design and draw animation for a living. Many of my friends are in the gaming industry. Some design art for game boxes. Others own and run gaming stores. I make enough money now that I like to be able to support those people with my own earnings. There was a time as an artist when I made zero money at all, so I very much appreciate giving artists paying jobs. I think that when you cut artists out of the production team, you're just cheapening your own effort.

Oh, and 3), for Joe Canadian: I am sorry, but I have to point out a spelling error in your last post. The word GOLF is spelled with an "LF" at the end. Your message should correctly read "GOLF LEAFS, GOLF!!"

Canucks All the Way!!!

[tcblcommish]

Oh, and 3), for Joe Canadian: I am sorry, but I have to point out a spelling error in your last post. The word GOLF is spelled with an "LF" at the end. Your message should correctly read "GOLF LEAFS, GOLF!!"

That saying NEVER gets tired!!