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Old 06-26-2008, 05:41 PM   #1
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Scouted by OSA vs. My Scout

Before I ask my question, thanks for such a great game! This game has been like crack to me to years and still loving it. Here's my question:

I'm a little confused on which scout to believe, the OSA scout or My personal scout in both current rating and potential rating. My scout has a 17 out of 20 rating for scouting majors for example which should be pretty good but the player performance don't really match up. What is really confusing, I have a player, Luis Henrandez (SS) from Baltimore who has a wide difference in current and potential rating and I'm not sure who to believe?
OSA: 9/8/7/7/12
Ken Griffin: 1/6/13/12/11/20

Any advice would be helpful.
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:08 PM   #2
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Before I ask my question, thanks for such a great game! This game has been like crack to me to years and still loving it. Here's my question:

I'm a little confused on which scout to believe, the OSA scout or My personal scout in both current rating and potential rating. My scout has a 17 out of 20 rating for scouting majors for example which should be pretty good but the player performance don't really match up. What is really confusing, I have a player, Luis Henrandez (SS) from Baltimore who has a wide difference in current and potential rating and I'm not sure who to believe?
OSA: 9/8/7/7/12
Ken Griffin: 1/6/13/12/11/20

Any advice would be helpful.
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In the world of OOTP leagues, in addition to individual team scouting directors, there also exists an unbiased scouting agency known as the OOTP Scouting Association (OSA). OSA scouts players on a regular basis, and can provide a second data point for you in analyzing scouting reports. Even if you fire your scouting director, OSA can still provide you with some data on players. Unfortunately, OSA is woefully understaffed, and as a result, OSA only updates player scouting reports annually. OSA scouts are also woefully underpaid, and as a result, they can be wildly inaccurate at times. As with most scouting, the younger the player is, the less likely OSA scouting reports are to be accurate. Most scouting directors who are available for hire will provide better information than the OSA scouts do. The bottom line is that, whenever possible, you should use your own scouting department's information.
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:18 PM   #3
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Right on. That is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. Have a good one. By the way, your Yankees are killing my Pirates in Interleague play. Joba looks like he is going to be really good.
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:29 PM   #4
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Right on. That is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. Have a good one. By the way, your Yankees are killing my Pirates in Interleague play. Joba looks like he is going to be really good.

And all this time I didn't think Pirates fans exist!
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:32 PM   #5
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Before I ask my question, thanks for such a great game! This game has been like crack to me to years and still loving it. Here's my question:

I'm a little confused on which scout to believe, the OSA scout or My personal scout in both current rating and potential rating. My scout has a 17 out of 20 rating for scouting majors for example which should be pretty good but the player performance don't really match up. What is really confusing, I have a player, Luis Henrandez (SS) from Baltimore who has a wide difference in current and potential rating and I'm not sure who to believe?
OSA: 9/8/7/7/12
Ken Griffin: 1/6/13/12/11/20

Any advice would be helpful.
I'm still trying to figure it out myself. I've been in commissioner mode for a while and comparing the player's ratings in edit mode to the scout's rating. Sometimes, it's right on, other times, I think the player is my scout's own son. Perhaps it takes time for the scout to adjust his ratings to better reflect the actual skills of the player.
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:53 PM   #6
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Sometimes, it's right on, other times, I think the player is my scout's own son.
This is the beauty of leaving scouts on.
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Old 07-02-2008, 02:50 PM   #7
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I have never been a fan of the scouting system on the previous versions of the game, but in order to try something a little more challenging, I decided to leave it on for my test run with the new game. I am finding that even though my scouting director is very good at scouting the major leagues (90 out of 100), when I turned the scouting off just to see how close he was, he turned out to be way off on quite a few players. I would think if the guy is supposed to be good and the game says to "trust your scouts", they shouldn't be that far off. I had a few guys that I traded for with 65 out of 80 as a potential rating turn to 35 or lower when I turned off the scouting. (I appologize to the above poster who is a Pirates fan, I took them for the challenge of turning them around, and they flat out stink in the game!!!) I don't think there should be that big of a discrepancy. I can understand that in real life they can be way off, but if the guy is supposed to be so good I don't think it should be that far off.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:01 PM   #8
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I am interested in the scouting as well, especially as it relates to the draft. There are only about 20 players whose potential is greater than 1 star. My budget is 3.5 million for scouting and I have a pretty good scout.

I understand that there will be variance between the scout and actual performance, etc. I'm just trying to figure out how to draft players when they all appear to be 1 star players.

The Pirates are leading the NL Central in my first season, though I(Cards) just swept them and am within 1.5.

I love this game. It is awesome stuff.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:11 PM   #9
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I am interested in the scouting as well, especially as it relates to the draft. There are only about 20 players whose potential is greater than 1 star. My budget is 3.5 million for scouting and I have a pretty good scout.

I understand that there will be variance between the scout and actual performance, etc. I'm just trying to figure out how to draft players when they all appear to be 1 star players.

I had a similar experience in my league. I had a scouting budget of $8 million and a pretty highly ranked scout (18 for AM scouting). Yet when the draft pool was announced there were only about 10 guys with a potential greater than 1*.
Actually this went on for a couple of years and then suddenly the talent base seemed to grow as more and more high potential prospects turned up. At the moment this has somewhat leveled of at what I would think is a realistic rate of talented players. I am not sure whether this is pure coincidence or not, I guess it might also be possible that the effects of an increase in the scouting budget and a better scout don't kick in instantaneously but rather take some time.

After all in real life scouting data doesn't magically appear over night either, no matter how much money is spent. In real life scouts need a couple of years to correctly evaluate players correctly. Maybe this is the case here as well, I don't know.
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:23 PM   #10
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I had a similar experience in my league. I had a scouting budget of $8 million and a pretty highly ranked scout (18 for AM scouting). Yet when the draft pool was announced there were only about 10 guys with a potential greater than 1*.
Actually this went on for a couple of years and then suddenly the talent base seemed to grow as more and more high potential prospects turned up. At the moment this has somewhat leveled of at what I would think is a realistic rate of talented players. I am not sure whether this is pure coincidence or not, I guess it might also be possible that the effects of an increase in the scouting budget and a better scout don't kick in instantaneously but rather take some time.

After all in real life scouting data doesn't magically appear over night either, no matter how much money is spent. In real life scouts need a couple of years to correctly evaluate players correctly. Maybe this is the case here as well, I don't know.
Thanks. I have a much smaller budget for scouting and I am concerned that is a problem, but I checked the other teams and they are all at 2 Mil. I am higher than that amount.

Is there a specific scouting function I am supposed to do to get my scout to eval players or do they automatically do it? I read the manual, but am making sure I am not missing anything.
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