Alternate Boxing History (ABH)

Pugilistica · 05-06-2008, 10:36 PM

Hi everyone. I am new to setting up a replay scenario so I thought I would post some tidbits and see what anyone thought.

Basically I am working with heavyweights right now. I began with the year 1875. All fighters start as Beginning and are randomly paired up by the auto-scheduler. All non-championship bouts are 10 rounds for simplicity's sake. Conditioning checks are made. Max # of bouts each month (12 in a year) = 30% of total possible. I like and always use the WBC rule set.

Fighters retire either in the year listed in their bio or when their losses exceed their victories by 10, whichever comes first. Again, this is just to make it simple for my first major attempt. I will also retire those that advance to the Retired stage.

When 1885 hits, the top 2 ranked fighters will fight for the first belt. Now, when maximum bout number is taken into account, the next 25% ranked will fight amongst eachother, followed by the next 50%, then the last 25%. This will mark the beginning of fighters fighting only those near their ranking.

Champs will fight twice a year, to defend their belt. Again, always the next best ranked contender. Everything is based on the program and I do not make judgements, which I know is not always perfect because of the ranking system. I just want this to run right now with little to no "fudging".

Because champs will fight a lot less, especially if they can hold on to their belt, if they are champ for 4 years I will advance their career stage by 1.

I am currently ready to begin 1880. Professor Charles Hadley is currently ranked #1 with John Knifton #2. Newcomer in 1879, John Sullivan, blazed a trail with 4 straight victories, his first against highly ranked Joe Coburn.

George Godfrey and Bill Farnan join John Sullivan as the only undefeated fighters, though all are currently unranked at this time.

mh2365 · 05-08-2008, 05:12 PM

Good stuff .... keep it coming.

Pugilistica · 05-08-2008, 09:03 PM

Ugh, due to problems in getting auto-aging to work with importing fighters (despite the fact that I did unlink them), I had to start over. I merely imported ALL heavyweights and set them all at beginning, active, and will work with it that way and it is working great. But of course things are slightly different this go-around.

Alternate Boxing History (ABH) - Heavyweights

Loosely organized bouts began in 1875. By January of 1885, we had our first champion.

Two fighters showed superior skill (and maybe a bit of luck) by rising to the heap at the end of 1884. At number 1 was Austrailian Bill Farnan, 23-2-1 (19). His only losses were his debut against George Rooke, who KO'ed him in round 1, and a decision loss to George Godfrey a year later. But after that second loss, Farnan strung together an impressive string of KO victories against such opponents as Frank Slavin, Charlie Richardson, and Professor William Miller.

Number 2 was Irish-born Mike Cleary, 28-3-3 (20). Cleary also lost his pro debut, in a majority decision loss to Steve Taylor. His other losses were again Professor William Miller and George Godfrey. But Cleary stacked 9 straight KO victories enroute to his bout with Farnan, among them Mike Conley, a young Bob Fitzsimmons, and Frank Slavin. With the KO power of these two combatants, no one expected the bout to go the full 12 rounds.

Cleary was only floored twice in his career before going up against the slugging Bill Farnan, but was floored twice again in the bout. But he did not quit and put on quite the show, often giving more than Farnan could handle. Incredibly, the bout did go the distance and Farnan became the first champion on a dubious majority decision.

Cleary's hopes for a rematch in June may have been spoiled by losing to journeyman John Dwyer 2 months later in another close majority decision loss. Cleary, who is now clearly past his prime, may never reach the fighting form he was in when he climbed to #2 in the rankings.

It is now May 1885. Farnan will defend his title in June. Professor Charles Hadley and Frank Herald are among possible opponents, with up and comers like Peter Jackson and John Sullivan striking fear in the hearts of their opponents.

End of April 1885
Champion: Bill Farnan 25-2-1 (19)

1. Professor Charles Hadley 27-5-0 (9)
2. Frank Herald 9-3-0 (5)
3. Peter Jackson 12-2-0 (5)
4. Joe Goss 27-4-3 (4)
5. John Dwyer 21-8-4 (3)

Notables

13. John Sullivan 13-1-0 (11)
29. Paddy Ryan 9-8-0 (7)
xx. Bob Fitzsimmons 6-3-0 (4)
xx. Pat Killen 6-0-0 (5)

Pugilistica · 05-08-2008, 10:34 PM

Bill Farnan's first title defense came against a fighter many felt didn't deserve a shot. Frank Herald, 9-3 (5), barely had the experience to be among the contenders let alone fight for the title. But victories over George Rooke, Dominick McCaffrey, Bob Fitzsimmons, Joe Goss, Charles Hadley, and Joe Coburn skyrocketed this opportunist over the likes of Peter Jackson and Professor Charles Hadley and into the ring with Bill Farnan.

Bill Farnan may have dodged a bullet as the bout went to the scorecards after 6 rounds due to suffering a severe cut from a head butt. The decision earned him his first successful title defense.

Other notable fights saw Peter Jackson defeat John Sullivan by decision.

Charles Hadley defeated William Miller, John Dwyer, and Mike Cleary twice, to solidify his standing as the next challenger for the title in 1886.

After losing his first 3 fights, Bob Fitzsimmons has now proved to be a threat as he won his next 8 bouts and sliding into 4th place.

Pat Killen is 9-0 with 8 KOs, but except for a decision victory over an aging Joe Coburn, who has he fought?

bear · 05-08-2008, 11:40 PM

Nice to see your new uni. Thanks for sharing.

Bear

Pugilistica · 05-13-2008, 08:38 PM

It is now the beginning of 1888. Boxing history has already been changed as in 3 years we have had 3 different champions. Bill Farnan and Charles Hadley became the first great rivalry in the ABH. (Its been very hard to shake Farnan out of the #2 spot...he seems to always be involved in title fights).

Champions
1885 Bill Farnan (MD Mike Cleary)
1886 Charles Hadley (KO8)
1887 Bill Farnan (UD)
1887 Peter Jackson (TKO3)

Jackson (17-2) will now defend his title against fellow countryman, Bill Farnan (30-5-2). Farnan will attempt to regain the title for third time.

Hard hitting John L. Sullivan is 17-6 with 15 KOs. 2 of his losses were to Bob Fitzsimmons. Every time Sullivan has a shot to rise in the rankings, he loses a big fight. He is currently ranked #10.

Pat Killen, ranked #6, is 12-2 with 11 big KOs. His most impressive bout was his last one, a split decision loss to former champion Professor Charles Hadley.

On the rise: Someone to look out for is James J. Corbett (6-1, 3KOs). His loss was a humiliating KO2 to Billy "Australian" Smith.

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05-06-2008, 10:36 PM	#1
Pugilistica Bat Boy Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	Alternate Boxing History (ABH) Hi everyone. I am new to setting up a replay scenario so I thought I would post some tidbits and see what anyone thought. Basically I am working with heavyweights right now. I began with the year 1875. All fighters start as Beginning and are randomly paired up by the auto-scheduler. All non-championship bouts are 10 rounds for simplicity's sake. Conditioning checks are made. Max # of bouts each month (12 in a year) = 30% of total possible. I like and always use the WBC rule set. Fighters retire either in the year listed in their bio or when their losses exceed their victories by 10, whichever comes first. Again, this is just to make it simple for my first major attempt. I will also retire those that advance to the Retired stage. When 1885 hits, the top 2 ranked fighters will fight for the first belt. Now, when maximum bout number is taken into account, the next 25% ranked will fight amongst eachother, followed by the next 50%, then the last 25%. This will mark the beginning of fighters fighting only those near their ranking. Champs will fight twice a year, to defend their belt. Again, always the next best ranked contender. Everything is based on the program and I do not make judgements, which I know is not always perfect because of the ranking system. I just want this to run right now with little to no "fudging". Because champs will fight a lot less, especially if they can hold on to their belt, if they are champ for 4 years I will advance their career stage by 1. I am currently ready to begin 1880. Professor Charles Hadley is currently ranked #1 with John Knifton #2. Newcomer in 1879, John Sullivan, blazed a trail with 4 straight victories, his first against highly ranked Joe Coburn. George Godfrey and Bill Farnan join John Sullivan as the only undefeated fighters, though all are currently unranked at this time.

05-08-2008, 05:12 PM	#2
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Good stuff .... keep it coming.

05-08-2008, 09:03 PM	#3
Pugilistica Bat Boy Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	Ugh, due to problems in getting auto-aging to work with importing fighters (despite the fact that I did unlink them), I had to start over. I merely imported ALL heavyweights and set them all at beginning, active, and will work with it that way and it is working great. But of course things are slightly different this go-around. Alternate Boxing History (ABH) - Heavyweights Loosely organized bouts began in 1875. By January of 1885, we had our first champion. Two fighters showed superior skill (and maybe a bit of luck) by rising to the heap at the end of 1884. At number 1 was Austrailian Bill Farnan, 23-2-1 (19). His only losses were his debut against George Rooke, who KO'ed him in round 1, and a decision loss to George Godfrey a year later. But after that second loss, Farnan strung together an impressive string of KO victories against such opponents as Frank Slavin, Charlie Richardson, and Professor William Miller. Number 2 was Irish-born Mike Cleary, 28-3-3 (20). Cleary also lost his pro debut, in a majority decision loss to Steve Taylor. His other losses were again Professor William Miller and George Godfrey. But Cleary stacked 9 straight KO victories enroute to his bout with Farnan, among them Mike Conley, a young Bob Fitzsimmons, and Frank Slavin. With the KO power of these two combatants, no one expected the bout to go the full 12 rounds. Cleary was only floored twice in his career before going up against the slugging Bill Farnan, but was floored twice again in the bout. But he did not quit and put on quite the show, often giving more than Farnan could handle. Incredibly, the bout did go the distance and Farnan became the first champion on a dubious majority decision. Cleary's hopes for a rematch in June may have been spoiled by losing to journeyman John Dwyer 2 months later in another close majority decision loss. Cleary, who is now clearly past his prime, may never reach the fighting form he was in when he climbed to #2 in the rankings. It is now May 1885. Farnan will defend his title in June. Professor Charles Hadley and Frank Herald are among possible opponents, with up and comers like Peter Jackson and John Sullivan striking fear in the hearts of their opponents. End of April 1885 Champion: Bill Farnan 25-2-1 (19) 1. Professor Charles Hadley 27-5-0 (9) 2. Frank Herald 9-3-0 (5) 3. Peter Jackson 12-2-0 (5) 4. Joe Goss 27-4-3 (4) 5. John Dwyer 21-8-4 (3) Notables 13. John Sullivan 13-1-0 (11) 29. Paddy Ryan 9-8-0 (7) xx. Bob Fitzsimmons 6-3-0 (4) xx. Pat Killen 6-0-0 (5)

05-08-2008, 10:34 PM	#4
Pugilistica Bat Boy Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	Bill Farnan's first title defense came against a fighter many felt didn't deserve a shot. Frank Herald, 9-3 (5), barely had the experience to be among the contenders let alone fight for the title. But victories over George Rooke, Dominick McCaffrey, Bob Fitzsimmons, Joe Goss, Charles Hadley, and Joe Coburn skyrocketed this opportunist over the likes of Peter Jackson and Professor Charles Hadley and into the ring with Bill Farnan. Bill Farnan may have dodged a bullet as the bout went to the scorecards after 6 rounds due to suffering a severe cut from a head butt. The decision earned him his first successful title defense. Other notable fights saw Peter Jackson defeat John Sullivan by decision. Charles Hadley defeated William Miller, John Dwyer, and Mike Cleary twice, to solidify his standing as the next challenger for the title in 1886. After losing his first 3 fights, Bob Fitzsimmons has now proved to be a threat as he won his next 8 bouts and sliding into 4th place. Pat Killen is 9-0 with 8 KOs, but except for a decision victory over an aging Joe Coburn, who has he fought?

05-13-2008, 08:38 PM	#6
Pugilistica Bat Boy Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	It is now the beginning of 1888. Boxing history has already been changed as in 3 years we have had 3 different champions. Bill Farnan and Charles Hadley became the first great rivalry in the ABH. (Its been very hard to shake Farnan out of the #2 spot...he seems to always be involved in title fights). Champions 1885 Bill Farnan (MD Mike Cleary) 1886 Charles Hadley (KO8) 1887 Bill Farnan (UD) 1887 Peter Jackson (TKO3) Jackson (17-2) will now defend his title against fellow countryman, Bill Farnan (30-5-2). Farnan will attempt to regain the title for third time. Hard hitting John L. Sullivan is 17-6 with 15 KOs. 2 of his losses were to Bob Fitzsimmons. Every time Sullivan has a shot to rise in the rankings, he loses a big fight. He is currently ranked #10. Pat Killen, ranked #6, is 12-2 with 11 big KOs. His most impressive bout was his last one, a split decision loss to former champion Professor Charles Hadley. On the rise: Someone to look out for is James J. Corbett (6-1, 3KOs). His loss was a humiliating KO2 to Billy "Australian" Smith.