trading

yankeesrule · 03-25-2003, 08:36 PM

is it just me or does everyone have this problem? Unless you're willing to trade a star to the computer they're not interested unless your trying to get some bench player.

Denton True · 03-25-2003, 08:38 PM

Yea, same problems here. I almost have given up trading. I just read in another topic folder a patch is coming out that may help this

Bohunk · 03-25-2003, 08:42 PM

I have no problems trading, in fact I have to curb my trading because I usually end up with a WS winner and the best minors in the league.

AsTrOFaN · 03-25-2003, 08:45 PM

No. It is very difficult to get 3.5 star and above players. I think it is rather realistic, since you do not see teams trading prospects or so-so players for great players (except for dumps, which are pretty non-existent in OOTP). The problem lies with prospect trading IMO, since they seem to be too easy to trade for after the 5.01 patch.

captainstarball · 03-25-2003, 08:46 PM

The AI values veterans too highly and prospect too lowly, IMO. Same as you Bohunk, I have had a lot of ease in building up my minor leagues to the point I win 130+ a year. AI teams are willing to part with future superstars for marginal veteran starters.
However, I have also noticed the flip, the AI will not give up veteran starters even if they get great offers in their favor.

evangel · 03-25-2003, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by Bohunk
I have no problems trading, in fact I have to curb my trading because I usually end up with a WS winner and the best minors in the league.

I'm with you. I have a problem with taking advantage of the computer as you can trade a two or three star established player for two or three five-star prospects. Do this for a few years and you will soon dominate the game. This needs to be curbed somewhat in future updates, IMHO.

Dargone · 03-25-2003, 08:47 PM

Trading is the most subjective part of the game..

TwinsFan · 03-25-2003, 08:58 PM

Trading was ridiculously easy in 5.1

So I went back to 5.0 to make all of my trades. Still WAY TO EASY though, as i'm able to win 125 games a year with a farm system ranked at over 900 points!

Steve Kuffrey · 03-25-2003, 09:04 PM

There is never going to be a computer trading "engine" that pleases everyone. For some they need to use a little "self-control" and for others they need to up the offer.

DHS23 · 03-25-2003, 10:10 PM

I'm seriously not seeing this trading logic where you're giving up an average player for two or three big time prospects. I've had a tough time trying to trade a 4-star player for one prospect.

William4192 · 03-26-2003, 03:22 PM

If you find a team with a dire need for SP and you have a "Dave Burba" type guy (2-3 stars), you can trade him for some good prospects. This happens in MLB a lot when teams have needs.

D. DeShields for Pedro Martinez anyone?

Joshv02 · 03-26-2003, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by DHS23
I'm seriously not seeing this trading logic where you're giving up an average player for two or three big time prospects. I've had a tough time trying to trade a 4-star player for one prospect.

depends on what you want to get, what you are offering, and what they need. doesn't always happen, just often enough for some people to notice. doesn't always happen in MLB, either.

i still think "overvaluation" of vets is something that (at least some) GMs should have. Vets provide greater data points and greater ability to predict. the ability to collect information itself is valuable.

this is all moot, though, as the next update will change the trading AI. and the next update is looking like towards the end of the first week of april, if i read Marcus's posts correct. so, the complaints/praise should start a few hours later.

DHS23 · 03-26-2003, 05:25 PM

The one thing I have seen in the trading AI is the complaint that they overvalue their prospects, and undervalue yours. I've tried adding a 3.5 star prospect to a deal that was "Close, just a little more", and they wouldn't budge. Took him out, and added a 4 star prospect, same thing. Yet, the AI won't trade a 3.5 star prospect if their life depended on it to shore up a deal.

jor31 · 03-26-2003, 06:34 PM

There should be a force trade option, hidden deep within gsub menus

, for those who want to "help" the Trade AI if they feel the trade is fair.

asamford · 03-26-2003, 06:40 PM

there is, if you're not in manager mode. just select the team you're wanting to trade with for the left side of the trade screen, select your team for the right side of the trade screen, and swap away.

bigphesta · 03-26-2003, 07:33 PM

I've found quite the oppisite. When I have a 28-34 year old 4-5*player who I can't come to terms with I go shopping for 5* prospects and can usually land one and sometimes 2 5* prospects (or a 5* and 3-4*). Guess everyone has a different view on what is 'fair'.

joshv · 03-26-2003, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by DHS23
The one thing I have seen in the trading AI is the complaint that they overvalue their prospects, and undervalue yours. I've tried adding a 3.5 star prospect to a deal that was "Close, just a little more", and they wouldn't budge. Took him out, and added a 4 star prospect, same thing. Yet, the AI won't trade a 3.5 star prospect if their life depended on it to shore up a deal.

without getting into ootp specifics, GMs should "overvalue" their own prospects relative to others. after all, they have greater information re: their own prospects. other 3.5 star prospects are unknowns.

i don't know if ootp "thinks" this way, but all things equal (which they never are) a team should prefer its own 3.5 star prospect to another teams b/c the information costs associated with learning about the other prospect would make the deal a bad one. the risk level is also greater for other prospects b/c of this imperfect information.

ootp doesn't have this issue in some respects b/c i can 'see' everything that everyone else can (if i have a legendary scout). but, there should be a bias anyway.

AsTrOFaN · 03-26-2003, 09:32 PM

Very strange behavior just experienced.

I offer a 3 star prospect, a 3.5 star prospect, and a young 3 star reliever for a 4 star prospect, the team refuses. I decided to approach the deal from a different angle, taking the reliever out and adding another prospect. When I remove the reliever, they agree to it? He's only 27 and has a 6 ERA rating.

evangel · 03-27-2003, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by AsTrOFaN
Very strange behavior just experienced.

I offer a 3 star prospect, a 3.5 star prospect, and a young 3 star reliever for a 4 star prospect, the team refuses. I decided to approach the deal from a different angle, taking the reliever out and adding another prospect. When I remove the reliever, they agree to it? He's only 27 and has a 6 ERA rating.

Did he have a real salary yet, or was he still at the league minimum?

Cuss16 · 03-27-2003, 12:55 AM

i like th trading in the game, it's definitely a big improvement form last year's game

, but there's always room for more...

03-25-2003, 08:36 PM	#1
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	trading is it just me or does everyone have this problem? Unless you're willing to trade a star to the computer they're not interested unless your trying to get some bench player.

03-25-2003, 08:38 PM	#2
Denton True Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 177	Yea, same problems here. I almost have given up trading. I just read in another topic folder a patch is coming out that may help this __________________ Friends call me Cy

03-25-2003, 08:47 PM	#7
Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	Trading is the most subjective part of the game.. __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell

03-25-2003, 08:58 PM	#8
TwinsFan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Some planet in outer space Posts: 199	Trading was ridiculously easy in 5.1 So I went back to 5.0 to make all of my trades. Still WAY TO EASY though, as i'm able to win 125 games a year with a farm system ranked at over 900 points! __________________ OOTP 22 OOTP 21 OOTP 20

03-25-2003, 09:04 PM	#9
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	There is never going to be a computer trading "engine" that pleases everyone. For some they need to use a little "self-control" and for others they need to up the offer. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-25-2003, 08:42 PM	#3
Bohunk Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cleveland Posts: 73	I have no problems trading, in fact I have to curb my trading because I usually end up with a WS winner and the best minors in the league.

03-25-2003, 08:45 PM	#4
AsTrOFaN Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 334	No. It is very difficult to get 3.5 star and above players. I think it is rather realistic, since you do not see teams trading prospects or so-so players for great players (except for dumps, which are pretty non-existent in OOTP). The problem lies with prospect trading IMO, since they seem to be too easy to trade for after the 5.01 patch.

03-25-2003, 08:46 PM	#5
captainstarball Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 112	The AI values veterans too highly and prospect too lowly, IMO. Same as you Bohunk, I have had a lot of ease in building up my minor leagues to the point I win 130+ a year. AI teams are willing to part with future superstars for marginal veteran starters. However, I have also noticed the flip, the AI will not give up veteran starters even if they get great offers in their favor.

03-25-2003, 10:10 PM	#10
DHS23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 506	I'm seriously not seeing this trading logic where you're giving up an average player for two or three big time prospects. I've had a tough time trying to trade a 4-star player for one prospect.

03-26-2003, 03:22 PM	#11
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	If you find a team with a dire need for SP and you have a "Dave Burba" type guy (2-3 stars), you can trade him for some good prospects. This happens in MLB a lot when teams have needs. D. DeShields for Pedro Martinez anyone? __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

03-26-2003, 05:25 PM	#13
DHS23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 506	The one thing I have seen in the trading AI is the complaint that they overvalue their prospects, and undervalue yours. I've tried adding a 3.5 star prospect to a deal that was "Close, just a little more", and they wouldn't budge. Took him out, and added a 4 star prospect, same thing. Yet, the AI won't trade a 3.5 star prospect if their life depended on it to shore up a deal.

03-26-2003, 06:34 PM	#14
jor31 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 296	There should be a force trade option, hidden deep within gsub menus , for those who want to "help" the Trade AI if they feel the trade is fair. __________________ <img src="http://www.seti-stats.de/setistats/userstats.php?bcolor=128,128,128&tcolor=128,128,12 8&l=2&lng=en&id=3123">

03-26-2003, 06:40 PM	#15
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	there is, if you're not in manager mode. just select the team you're wanting to trade with for the left side of the trade screen, select your team for the right side of the trade screen, and swap away.

03-26-2003, 07:33 PM	#16
bigphesta Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 1,366	I've found quite the oppisite. When I have a 28-34 year old 4-5player who I can't come to terms with I go shopping for 5 prospects and can usually land one and sometimes 2 5* prospects (or a 5* and 3-4*). Guess everyone has a different view on what is 'fair'.

03-26-2003, 09:32 PM	#18
AsTrOFaN Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 334	Very strange behavior just experienced. I offer a 3 star prospect, a 3.5 star prospect, and a young 3 star reliever for a 4 star prospect, the team refuses. I decided to approach the deal from a different angle, taking the reliever out and adding another prospect. When I remove the reliever, they agree to it? He's only 27 and has a 6 ERA rating.

03-27-2003, 12:55 AM	#20
Cuss16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: BC, CANADA Posts: 2,994	i like th trading in the game, it's definitely a big improvement form last year's game , but there's always room for more... __________________