Two-way players

darkcloud4579 · 02-24-2008, 02:32 PM

I've wanted to have players who could pitch and be good enough hitters to play a position on their off-days. People do it in college and if you want to do it in the game, the players need to be adept at both and in the rotation.

You can insert the player in both the rotation and into the lineup as a regular player, but if it's a computer controlled team, the AI has to be set not to make roster changes or they'll undo it immediately.

Otherwise, it works just fine and they're able to play both ways for as long as you leave them that way.

wlight1 · 02-24-2008, 05:20 PM

In my solo league, one AI organization has been run so poorly that they have only a handful of hitters rostered at the lowest level of their minors. They fill their lineup with almost all pitchers pretty much every day. Obviously they're not doing well, but a few of the pitchers manage to keep an OPS around .700 in addition to pitching decently (though infrequently). Which I'd say is an accomplishment.

injury log · 02-24-2008, 06:52 PM

Not sure if this bug has been fixed, but in OOTP 2007 a team short on players will sometimes use a pitcher *both* as a starter and a position player in the same game. The guy will bat twice in the lineup, as if he'd been Xeroxed. The game isn't really built for two-way players, though I wrote about my attempts to convert fictional guys from the mound to the field and vice versa here:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...onversion.html

darkcloud4579 · 02-25-2008, 12:23 AM

I can see that as a problem in a league where pitchers can hit. I have a DH league, so I haven't run into it. But that thread link is one I'll check out anyway...the title threw my search off, that's why I made another one.

But that one should be great.

wlight1 · 02-25-2008, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by darkcloud4579

I can see that as a problem in a league where pitchers can hit.

I don't think you'd see it then; in a non-DH league each day's pitcher is added to the "empty" lineup slot and assigned the "P" position. The bug occurs when a player is assigned a position in the field and in the lineup but is then also assigned to pitch.

Tony M · 02-25-2008, 03:50 AM

I'm not sure if this is a bug in DH-leagues but if on the lineup summary screen you unchoose DH it makes both teams bat a pitcher, whereas it should be down to one team if they want to, and not force the other.

ctorg · 02-25-2008, 09:03 AM

I've done this for my own teams before, in cases where I've found two-way guys. Usually they're much better at one or the other. But once I purposely created a two-way guy as the centerpiece of what was going to be a dynasty report (which I never did). I played it for a season or two before deciding that I had made him too good at both things (think Babe Ruth) to make it fun.

darkcloud4579 · 06-14-2008, 06:18 PM

As a lot of us know, in high school and college, kids develop as both hitters and pitchers. This isn't a possibility without massive tweaking in OOTP. Is it ever going to be possible for us to generally edit pitcher hitting statistics? It would be great to have the opportunity to -- again, without massive tweaking -- have to 'decide' whether to make a great prospect a hitter or a pitcher. I know it occurs rarely now, but...it's far more a part of prospect development than is modeled at present.

After seeing Buster Posey, a catcher who was drafted in this year's MLB draft in the college world series today pitching for Florida State, it made me realize that this needed to be something we could do en masse or with better frequency than at present.

Left-handed Badger · 06-14-2008, 07:23 PM

I've used DH since OOTP 4, when I was not allowed to use pitchers even as PH. I tried PH for a P with a P couple of times, the Pitcher in game would still bat and then the Pitcher who I used to pinch hit would go into the game to Pitch.

Now that I've seen this thread, has that ever been adressed? So, that I could at least use a good hitting starting pitcher as a PH on his days off?

The Wolf · 06-14-2008, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wlight1

In my solo league, one AI organization has been run so poorly that they have only a handful of hitters rostered at the lowest level of their minors. They fill their lineup with almost all pitchers pretty much every day. Obviously they're not doing well, but a few of the pitchers manage to keep an OPS around .700 in addition to pitching decently (though infrequently). Which I'd say is an accomplishment.

Whoa, never seen a team do that. That's kind of neat - in a ******ed way.

The Wolf · 06-14-2008, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wlight1

In my solo league, one AI organization has been run so poorly that they have only a handful of hitters rostered at the lowest level of their minors. They fill their lineup with almost all pitchers pretty much every day. Obviously they're not doing well, but a few of the pitchers manage to keep an OPS around .700 in addition to pitching decently (though infrequently). Which I'd say is an accomplishment.

Whoa, never seen a team do that. That's kind of neat - in a ******ed way.

Kelric · 06-15-2008, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

I've used DH since OOTP 4, when I was not allowed to use pitchers even as PH. I tried PH for a P with a P couple of times, the Pitcher in game would still bat and then the Pitcher who I used to pinch hit would go into the game to Pitch.

Now that I've seen this thread, has that ever been adressed? So, that I could at least use a good hitting starting pitcher as a PH on his days off?

Well, yeah, it makes perfect sense that by using a pitcher to pinch-hit for another pitcher, the game assumes you want him to pitch. If you pinch-hit for a second baseman with a second baseman, the game assumes you want him at second base. You have to manually go in there and bring in a new pitcher once your club is back out on the field. What is there to address in this situation?

02-24-2008, 02:32 PM	#1
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,712	Two-way players I've wanted to have players who could pitch and be good enough hitters to play a position on their off-days. People do it in college and if you want to do it in the game, the players need to be adept at both and in the rotation. You can insert the player in both the rotation and into the lineup as a regular player, but if it's a computer controlled team, the AI has to be set not to make roster changes or they'll undo it immediately. Otherwise, it works just fine and they're able to play both ways for as long as you leave them that way.

02-25-2008, 03:50 AM	#6
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06-14-2008, 07:23 PM	#9
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	I've used DH since OOTP 4, when I was not allowed to use pitchers even as PH. I tried PH for a P with a P couple of times, the Pitcher in game would still bat and then the Pitcher who I used to pinch hit would go into the game to Pitch. Now that I've seen this thread, has that ever been adressed? So, that I could at least use a good hitting starting pitcher as a PH on his days off? __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

02-24-2008, 05:20 PM	#2
wlight1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 186	In my solo league, one AI organization has been run so poorly that they have only a handful of hitters rostered at the lowest level of their minors. They fill their lineup with almost all pitchers pretty much every day. Obviously they're not doing well, but a few of the pitchers manage to keep an OPS around .700 in addition to pitching decently (though infrequently). Which I'd say is an accomplishment.

02-24-2008, 06:52 PM	#3
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	Not sure if this bug has been fixed, but in OOTP 2007 a team short on players will sometimes use a pitcher both as a starter and a position player in the same game. The guy will bat twice in the lineup, as if he'd been Xeroxed. The game isn't really built for two-way players, though I wrote about my attempts to convert fictional guys from the mound to the field and vice versa here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...onversion.html

02-25-2008, 12:23 AM	#4
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,712	I can see that as a problem in a league where pitchers can hit. I have a DH league, so I haven't run into it. But that thread link is one I'll check out anyway...the title threw my search off, that's why I made another one. But that one should be great.

06-14-2008, 06:18 PM	#8
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,712	As a lot of us know, in high school and college, kids develop as both hitters and pitchers. This isn't a possibility without massive tweaking in OOTP. Is it ever going to be possible for us to generally edit pitcher hitting statistics? It would be great to have the opportunity to -- again, without massive tweaking -- have to 'decide' whether to make a great prospect a hitter or a pitcher. I know it occurs rarely now, but...it's far more a part of prospect development than is modeled at present. After seeing Buster Posey, a catcher who was drafted in this year's MLB draft in the college world series today pitching for Florida State, it made me realize that this needed to be something we could do en masse or with better frequency than at present.