New to boxing, need help scoring fights

[ShaunGBD]

I don't watch boxing (MMA fan) but I like TBCB games. Well, when I judge the fights I don't know how to score, what to look for, etc, etc. Could someone help me score the right way.

[JohntheHammerHeyes]

Hope this help a bit:

If a judge deems that fighter A has won or out boxed fighter B in a round, then he will score the round 10 to fighter A and 9 to fighter B.
If fighter B is knocked down by fighter A and receives a count, then the round is scored 10 points to fighter A and 8 points to fighter B.
If the judge decides that neither fighter won a round then he or she will score it 10 points to each fighter.
If a fighter is a penalized by the referee for a foul, eg for a low blow, then the referee will instruct the judges to deduct a point for that fighter from their score card for that round only.
At the end of all the rounds the points are totaled for all the rounds and each judge gives his or her decision for the whole fight.

A Judge may total his scoring and both fighters receive the same total of points. The decision from that judge will be a draw.
The fighter with the most judges’ decisions wins.
A split decision is where one judge scores it a win for fighter A and the other two judges score it a win for fighter B.

[zyberianwarrior]

Originally Posted by JohntheHammerHeyes

Hope this help a bit:

If a judge deems that fighter A has won or out boxed fighter B in a round, then he will score the round 10 to fighter A and 9 to fighter B.
If fighter B is knocked down by fighter A and receives a count, then the round is scored 10 points to fighter A and 8 points to fighter B.
If the judge decides that neither fighter won a round then he or she will score it 10 points to each fighter.
If a fighter is a penalized by the referee for a foul, eg for a low blow, then the referee will instruct the judges to deduct a point for that fighter from their score card for that round only.
At the end of all the rounds the points are totaled for all the rounds and each judge gives his or her decision for the whole fight.

A Judge may total his scoring and both fighters receive the same total of points. The decision from that judge will be a draw.
The fighter with the most judges’ decisions wins.
A split decision is where one judge scores it a win for fighter A and the other two judges score it a win for fighter B.

Mosty correct I the 10-8 round while accecpted is not mandatory. There have been fights with a kd and it was scored 10-9. Judges also look for how the fighter handles themselves in the ring and hometown favorites and championship holders are in a way factored into scoring as well. In a lot of cases a punch that causes a cut is also heavily factored in that round. Sometimes a fighter can steal a round with an impressive last minute surge.

Also boxing is NOT MMA they don't quit after being in an arm bar for five seconds. Pro wrestling is more real than MMA.

[javier_83]

how do you score if both fighters get knockdown in the same round??

[Cap]

Originally Posted by javier_83

how do you score if both fighters get knockdown in the same round??

The knockdowns likely cancel each other out and you look at who dominated the rest of the action. Might end up with an even round, but usually there is an edge for one fighter over the other.

Cap

[aaaaaaaaa]

Originally Posted by javier_83

how do you score if both fighters get knockdown in the same round??

10-9 for the winner of the round or 10-10

[mikehoudini]

Originally Posted by ShaunGBD

I don't watch boxing (MMA fan) but I like TBCB games. Well, when I judge the fights I don't know how to score, what to look for, etc, etc. Could someone help me score the right way.

Here’s how I did scoring in the board game, based on the 10 points system:

If Fighter A outscored Fighter B by 1 to 2 points, I’d generally score it 10-9, but I also factored in ring movement (a plus) and clinching (a minus) as well as fouls and punches missed. This brought an air of subjectivity into the scoring. So, if Fighter A outscored Fighter B, 15-13, but A clinched a lot while B moved around the ring, I might score it even or even 10-9 B (the random factor on the judges made for variable scoring). Occasionally, I’d score an even round 10-9, if one of the 2 showed good ring movement. If either fighter had a big rally at the end of a round in a round that ended up even, I might go his way, because of the last impressions.

If Fighter A outscored Fighter B by 3-5 points, I’d score it 10-9 A, unless it was a hometown fight for Fighter B, then I might give him the hometown advantage (same for Champ bias in a championship fight).

If Fighter A outscored Fighter B by 6-12 points, I’d score it 10-9 A, regardless of other factors. There was too much discrepancy in scoring for ring movement et cetera to come into play.

If Fighter A outscored Fighter B by 13-16 points, I’d consider scoring the round 10-8, and might resort to the variable cards.

If Fighter A outscored Fighter B by 17-20 points, I scored it 10-8. A lot of the guys on the forum (most of whom are more knowledgeable than me) wouldn’t score this 10-8, but rather 10-9, as they think that you need a knockdown to score a round 10-8. I use that option sometimes when I score a fight by rounds, as you either win, lose or tie, with no point distinctions.

If Fighter A outscored Fighter B by 21-24 points, I’d do it like the 13-16 scenario, so the round could come out 10-7. And if the margin was 25-28, it would definitely be 10-7.

Knockdowns affected everything.

A fighter could lose the round on points but still score a KD, and I’d score it rather 10-9 or even, depending on how badly he was losing the round (I had a guy get a 1 count KD at the end of the round, the scoring of which went 18-8 against him, so I had it even). Generally, I’d score it 10-9.

If Fighter A scored the KD and won the round by 1-12 points, I’d score it 10-8; 13-16, I’d consider 10-7; 17-20, it would be 10-7 (again, I’m in the minority here).

If they traded knockdowns, I’d score it based upon the points difference above, but the winner might win 9-8.

If there were 2 knockdowns by Fighter A, I’d generally go 10-7 (maybe more, depending on points differential). If 3 KD, 10-6, and so on.

This is all a pretty long-winded way of saying that there are subjective elements as well as more empirical ones that can be used. The judge’s bias is great, as is hometown advantage ( 2 people can see a round, or fight, dramatically differently). Best of luck in whichever way you score!

[Cap]

If I were allowed to judge a fight, I'd score a round 10-9 for the winner; 10-8 if the winner clearly dominated the round and did everything but knock his opponent down; 10-7 if the winner dominated the round and scored a knockdown; 10-6 if the winner dominated the round and scored more than one knockdown. Othwise what the heck is the point of having 10 points? The more I thinnk about it, the more reasonable a 5-point system sounds.

Cap

[meade95]

The 10 pt system works just fine - (especially with decent judges.....but more importantly it helps offset bad judges to the best degree possible).

A 10-9 for the fighter who wins the round (lands the most direct shots / power shots / RG, etc, dictates the pace, etc, etc).

Going with a simple 10-9 here.......Doesn't allow for any one round to be vastly more important than others - And that is important -

Also, a 10-8 round should only be given (IMO) for a KD scored - That is the bonus a fighter gets for staying on his feet....he may take a beating....but if he doesn't go down...there should be an incentive.

If we started from the premise of judges scoring rounds from 10-10 to 10-6...based on how well they think fighter X dominated a round......that would only cause decisions more foolish than we are seeing now (at times) and at a much higher rate.

10-10 (for truly even rounds).
10-9 (for rounds in which a fighter clearly wins or and wins just barely).
10-8 (for rounds in which the fighter that clearly wins scores a KD).
10-7 (only for rounds in which multiple KDs are scored).

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by zyberianwarrior

Also boxing is NOT MMA they don't quit after being in an arm bar for five seconds. Pro wrestling is more real than MMA.

Nice. Some of you guys around here are pretty small-minded.

[meade95]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Nice. Some of you guys around here are pretty small-minded.

Don't let it bother you - Some people like to show their as$ for no apparent reason - Both sports have a lot to offer -

I am a boxing fan first and foremost without a doubt - But MMA has some excellent atheletes and it is sport in every sense of the word.

[mh2365]

I'm one of those that thinks the MMA is nothing more than glorified bum fights

[wildhawke11]

If you really want a little more realism play as a judge but turn of the points scored being shown by the computer, Now you have to score the rounds like a real judge who would not have the luxury of seeing all the scored points. After watching or scoring a fight in this way i find the game much more exciting as sometimes like a real fight its hard to know who to give the round to.

[meade95]

Originally Posted by wildhawke11

If you really want a little more realism play as a judge but turn of the points scored being shown by the computer, Now you have to score the rounds like a real judge who would not have the luxury of seeing all the scored points. After watching or scoring a fight in this way i find the game much more exciting as sometimes like a real fight its hard to know who to give the round to.

Agreed - I have Points set to "off" as well - Makes for much better viewing / simming - IMO -

[zyberianwarrior]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Nice. Some of you guys around here are pretty small-minded.

small minded???? The second they put in an arm bar or an ankle lock they tap out instantly. No way can I show respect for this "sport" especially when the analyists says this will be a great fight, one takedown and an arm bar later its over. One moment I did like was when a "fighter" was using illegal blows the ref (the one that is a real LAPD cop) literally pulls the fighter away and gets all in his face. At least wrestling while scripted is more "realistic" when it comes to tapping out on simple arm bars.

As for the scoring 10-6 rounds are EXTREMLY RARE. But the rest is pretty much accurate as far as scoing guidlines. As for each boxer getting a knockdown, it is typically scored a 9-9 if even the rest of the way.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by zyberianwarrior

As for the scoring 10-6 rounds are EXTREMLY RARE. But the rest is pretty much accurate as far as scoing guidlines. As for each boxer getting a knockdown, it is typically scored a 9-9 if even the rest of the way.

In the 10-point must system, the winner of a round must get 10, so this kind of round could be 10-10. The "winner" can get 9, but only if there is a deduction for a foul.

[mikehoudini]

Originally Posted by Thunder

In the 10-point must system, the winner of a round must get 10, so this kind of round could be 10-10. The "winner" can get 9, but only if there is a deduction for a foul.

If I only had a brain! "Must" is the operative word of the must system. Thanks, Thunder! I must have had too many beers!

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by mikehoudini

If I only had a brain! "Must" is the operative word of the must system. Thanks, Thunder! I must have had too many beers!

no problemo

[Calis]

Originally Posted by zyberianwarrior

small minded???? The second they put in an arm bar or an ankle lock they tap out instantly. No way can I show respect for this "sport" especially when the analyists says this will be a great fight, one takedown and an arm bar later its over. One moment I did like was when a "fighter" was using illegal blows the ref (the one that is a real LAPD cop) literally pulls the fighter away and gets all in his face. At least wrestling while scripted is more "realistic" when it comes to tapping out on simple arm bars.

As for the scoring 10-6 rounds are EXTREMLY RARE. But the rest is pretty much accurate as far as scoing guidlines. As for each boxer getting a knockdown, it is typically scored a 9-9 if even the rest of the way.

Not sure why I'll even bother responding to this, but what the hell. Have you ever been in an armbar or an anklelock, especially by someone EXTREMELY well versed in the maneuvers? Not tapping immediately is a good way to end your career. This isn't just a pain threshold thing, this is ligaments and tendons being mangled. There's nothing "simple" about it, and a well placed submission hold is not a simple matter to get out of.

I've seen lots of MMA bashing around here and other boxing forums, but this takes the cake for the most ignorant attack.

[zyberianwarrior]

Originally Posted by Calis

Not sure why I'll even bother responding to this, but what the hell. Have you ever been in an armbar or an anklelock, especially by someone EXTREMELY well versed in the maneuvers? Not tapping immediately is a good way to end your career. This isn't just a pain threshold thing, this is ligaments and tendons being mangled. There's nothing "simple" about it, and a well placed submission hold is not a simple matter to get out of.

I've seen lots of MMA bashing around here and other boxing forums, but this takes the cake for the most ignorant attack.

YES! Nuff said! KO punch is one thing kicking the crap out of his legs is one thing but a rollover in a simple arm bar and tap like a little girl is something else. All it is is pressure points simple. I've seen guys go in ther face all mangled bloodied and they take it but toss them down tie them up and they tap. Don't believe me fine look at previous bouts see how quick they tap when they are on the ground. It's ridicouls. Just like comparing MMA to Boxing. I'm sure MMA has a place somewhere but not for me. MH has it right. And I'll go even one further its Toughman in a cage. Notice there are not so many "toughman" competitions now???? Fight Club started this