Improving Prospect Ratings

evangel · 03-25-2003, 05:02 PM

I've never really noticed this before, but I tend not to follow my low-quality prospects, either, so it might have been happening all along. The only reason I noticed it this time is that it happened to my son (manager mode) in OOTP5.

I had to draft him (after all, he's my son!), even though he was a one-and-a-half star shortstop prospect. He struggled in my minor-league system for three years, and then, at age twenty-one, he takes off. He is now a four-star prospect, with all of his bating ratings increased at least one level - sometimes more. Before someone brings up the scouting issue, it was the same scout from beginning to end, and he was legendary.

The player is now my big-league backup with a 6 in batting and routinely hits in the .300 range for the season.

Is this a normal occurance for such a low-level prospect? Does spring training help that much? Do your minor-league coaches make THAT much of a difference? Just wanted to hear others' experiences with this phenomenon.

sporr · 03-25-2003, 05:09 PM

Sounds like he was a diamond in the rough. Just as some sure-things fizzle, there are some late round picks who take off and come out of nowhere. It's great that it was your son this time!

Ktulu · 03-25-2003, 05:34 PM

Wonder what the owner and other prospects thought of you drafting your son and giving him preferential treatment?

Curious what round did you draft him in.

evangel · 03-25-2003, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by Ktulu
Curious what round did you draft him in.

I drafted him in the first round to make sure that I got him, so I don't really know how far he would have fallen in the draft. I usually end up picking last due to the previous season's record, so there is not usually much left at this point.

I still wish I knew whether this is more random, or do the minor league coaches have that much influence in raising the talent levels of a player.

TwinMonster · 03-25-2003, 05:57 PM

I occasionallly have low level prospects that turn out to be decent players. Generally, they don't turn into stars, just respectable backups or fill in type players. It seems to be pretty random to me.

chippered · 03-25-2003, 05:57 PM

This happens, just like someone else said, plus prospects can bust. I've also seen situations like yours where the players talents will decrease after he advances to the higher minors after increasing in the lower minors. Fun part of the game, just like in real life.

TwinsFan · 03-25-2003, 07:25 PM

Yep, seen it happen in OOTP4. Some team cut a guy rated Fair,Poor,Fair- he was one of the last players picked in the draft. I picked him up and he developed into a Brilliant, Good, Good stud.

asamford · 03-26-2003, 03:05 AM

yep, random talent bump (RTB). Wonderful thing when it goes up in your favor. Not so fun when your G/B/B prospect all of a sudden turns into F/A/F. (It works both ways)

woody5254 · 03-26-2003, 11:18 AM

I think this is one thing that has really improved in OOTP5. The randomness of the talent bumps are great. It used to be pretty standard to have the younger players getting increases and the older players to decline. Now you just don't even know what to expect. Guys that are 35 even get talents bumps now and again, which is great.

sporr · 03-26-2003, 11:40 AM

Yeah, Woody, I am banking on the older guys lasting in the Maelstrom or my team is in trouble.

woody5254 · 03-26-2003, 11:43 AM

Shane, when was the last time you had a prospect in the top 100 anyway?

Codered · 03-26-2003, 11:46 AM

I've been hit for leaving prospects in the minors too long because I couldn't fit them into the majors. I usually collect too many good pitching prospects. I had to use Moss as a MR to fit room for my 4 and 5 star pitching prospects ready to play now to avoid having them drop like a few others did.

MontyBurns · 03-26-2003, 12:38 PM

I like the new development algorithms a lot. I've drafted 4-5 star players, had them nosedive to 1-2 stars and rebound to as high as 4 stars. Right now I've got a CF who I drafted 1st overall (I took over the Marlins after a 56-106 season). He looked like a sure-fire superstar. After 2 yrs. in A-AA his rating suddenly plummeted to 2 stars (same scout). Now he's back to 3 1/2 stars and looks to be a pretty good major leaguer.

03-25-2003, 05:02 PM	#1
evangel Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 79	Improving Prospect Ratings I've never really noticed this before, but I tend not to follow my low-quality prospects, either, so it might have been happening all along. The only reason I noticed it this time is that it happened to my son (manager mode) in OOTP5. I had to draft him (after all, he's my son!), even though he was a one-and-a-half star shortstop prospect. He struggled in my minor-league system for three years, and then, at age twenty-one, he takes off. He is now a four-star prospect, with all of his bating ratings increased at least one level - sometimes more. Before someone brings up the scouting issue, it was the same scout from beginning to end, and he was legendary. The player is now my big-league backup with a 6 in batting and routinely hits in the .300 range for the season. Is this a normal occurance for such a low-level prospect? Does spring training help that much? Do your minor-league coaches make THAT much of a difference? Just wanted to hear others' experiences with this phenomenon.

03-25-2003, 05:34 PM	#3
Ktulu Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: BC Posts: 4,710	Wonder what the owner and other prospects thought of you drafting your son and giving him preferential treatment? Curious what round did you draft him in. __________________ "The ice is getting even more thinner, my friend!"

03-25-2003, 07:25 PM	#7
TwinsFan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Some planet in outer space Posts: 199	Yep, seen it happen in OOTP4. Some team cut a guy rated Fair,Poor,Fair- he was one of the last players picked in the draft. I picked him up and he developed into a Brilliant, Good, Good stud. __________________ OOTP 22 OOTP 21 OOTP 20

03-26-2003, 11:18 AM	#9
woody5254 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hector, NY Posts: 6,130	I think this is one thing that has really improved in OOTP5. The randomness of the talent bumps are great. It used to be pretty standard to have the younger players getting increases and the older players to decline. Now you just don't even know what to expect. Guys that are 35 even get talents bumps now and again, which is great. __________________ Check out: You Pick Tourney Version 2.0 Standings Thread You Pick The Teams Tourney: Main Thread The Colossal 20th Century Tourney:Main Thread Chicago White Sox(Original Owner:2001-) Baseball Maelstrom -2001,2011,2013 World Series Champions -2002,2010 Maelstrom Tourney Champs Arizona Diamondbacks(2003-) NAHHBL Indianapolis Racers(Expansion Team:1993-)ABC

03-26-2003, 11:43 AM	#11
woody5254 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hector, NY Posts: 6,130	Shane, when was the last time you had a prospect in the top 100 anyway? __________________ Check out: You Pick Tourney Version 2.0 Standings Thread You Pick The Teams Tourney: Main Thread The Colossal 20th Century Tourney:Main Thread Chicago White Sox(Original Owner:2001-) Baseball Maelstrom -2001,2011,2013 World Series Champions -2002,2010 Maelstrom Tourney Champs Arizona Diamondbacks(2003-) NAHHBL Indianapolis Racers(Expansion Team:1993-)ABC

03-25-2003, 05:09 PM	#2
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Sounds like he was a diamond in the rough. Just as some sure-things fizzle, there are some late round picks who take off and come out of nowhere. It's great that it was your son this time!

03-25-2003, 05:57 PM	#5
TwinMonster Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Minnepolis Posts: 325	I occasionallly have low level prospects that turn out to be decent players. Generally, they don't turn into stars, just respectable backups or fill in type players. It seems to be pretty random to me.

03-25-2003, 05:57 PM	#6
chippered Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 191	This happens, just like someone else said, plus prospects can bust. I've also seen situations like yours where the players talents will decrease after he advances to the higher minors after increasing in the lower minors. Fun part of the game, just like in real life.

03-26-2003, 03:05 AM	#8
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	yep, random talent bump (RTB). Wonderful thing when it goes up in your favor. Not so fun when your G/B/B prospect all of a sudden turns into F/A/F. (It works both ways)

03-26-2003, 11:40 AM	#10
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Yeah, Woody, I am banking on the older guys lasting in the Maelstrom or my team is in trouble.

03-26-2003, 11:46 AM	#12
Codered Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 18	I've been hit for leaving prospects in the minors too long because I couldn't fit them into the majors. I usually collect too many good pitching prospects. I had to use Moss as a MR to fit room for my 4 and 5 star pitching prospects ready to play now to avoid having them drop like a few others did.

03-26-2003, 12:38 PM	#13
MontyBurns Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NV Posts: 7	I like the new development algorithms a lot. I've drafted 4-5 star players, had them nosedive to 1-2 stars and rebound to as high as 4 stars. Right now I've got a CF who I drafted 1st overall (I took over the Marlins after a 56-106 season). He looked like a sure-fire superstar. After 2 yrs. in A-AA his rating suddenly plummeted to 2 stars (same scout). Now he's back to 3 1/2 stars and looks to be a pretty good major leaguer.