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Old 02-04-2008, 05:06 PM   #221
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Wouldn't some kind of RBI% formula like,

RBI-HR/(RBI-HR)+LOB

(where LOB is runners left on base for the entire season)

at least give you a better idea of production than RBIs?

I don't know if that's really a formula since I just made it up in my head, but I'm basically trying to get an RBI efficiency stat. So the number of RBIs you get minus the number of times you drove in yourself, divided by the total # of runners on base when you came to the plate.

Shouldn't that give you how efficient you were at driving in runs? That wouldn't penalize leadoff hitters who have no one on base in front of them, etc.

So if a hitter has 120 RBIs, 35 homers and left 130 runners on base would have an RBI% of .395.

Or for a leadoff guy who has 40 RBIs, 5 homers, and left 40 runners on base would have an RBI% of .467.

Of course, I don't know if they keep up with the total # of runners left on base for the entire season for each player, and I don't know if that formula actually does what I'm trying to get it to do.

I got a C in STAT405...
Makes sense to me.
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Old 02-04-2008, 05:09 PM   #222
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RBI per 100 ABs is dumb. I don't think I'm doing that exact same thing. Perhaps a little more in depth variation of it.
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Old 02-04-2008, 05:13 PM   #223
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RBI per 100 ABs is dumb. I don't think I'm doing that exact same thing. Perhaps a little more in depth variation of it.
It's not even close to the same thing. Yours actually makes sense.
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I find it amusing that those that believe VORP is the be all end all immediately assume those of us that don't must not understand it. I completely understand VORP and what it is supposed to represent. I merely don't believe it is any thing more than a predictor of future tendencies and a measure of team independant effectiveness and that is it. I can look at counting stats and come up with basically the same conclusions on players that VORP goes through computations to determine...it aint rocket science.
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OK. Wow. Please sign up to participate in my online league. Hold out for a team in the Darn Tootin' Division please.

LOL, everyone ought to want to get in on this action.
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Well, the average OOTP user...downloads the game, manages his favorite team and that's it.
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I find it amusing that those that believe VORP is the be all end all immediately assume those of us that don't must not understand it. I completely understand VORP and what it is supposed to represent. I merely don't believe it is any thing more than a predictor of future tendencies and a measure of team independant effectiveness and that is it. I can look at counting stats and come up with basically the same conclusions on players that VORP goes through computations to determine...it aint rocket science.
Well, better get that application in for the Yanks GM. I haven't read a statement this silly in a while. I really hope Markus chooses his testers wisely.
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LOL, everyone ought to want to get in on this action.
'Course I do!
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OK. Wow. Please sign up to participate in my online league. Hold out for a team in the Darn Tootin' Division please.
You are aware that virtually all fantasy leagues use counting stats pretty much exclusively???? VORP is worthless in Fantasy leagues too!!!!
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You are aware that virtually all fantasy leagues use counting stats pretty much exclusively???? VORP is worthless in Fantasy leagues too!!!!
Fantasy baseball is a complete different animal than OOTP. We're talking about OOTP and real baseball here. What about you?
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Well, a guy who hits a 2-run shot when his team is up by 10 runs is obviously more valuable than the guy who draws a walk or hits a double to lead off the 9th with his team trailing by a run or with the game tied.
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Well, a guy who hits a 2-run shot when his team is up by 10 runs is obviously more valuable than the guy who draws a walk or hits a double to lead off the 9th with his team trailing by a run or with the game tied.

As is a guy who homers with the bases loaded as opposed to homering with the bases empty.
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OK. Wow. Please sign up to participate in my online league. Hold out for a team in the Darn Tootin' Division please.
I have no interest in OOTP6/7/8, If you want to put your name on the list for my league, MLBC, the longest running OOTP league in existence just send me an email.
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Yeah, join his OOTP3 league, it r0x0rs.
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How old are you, 12???
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