Minnesota Twins (Progressing Towards Season 2008) - Page 5

Jonzard · 12-17-2007, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Art99

I don't think the Twins expected him to only have 35 home runs and 210 RBI's in 3 plus seasons.

Actually I think that it is as much or more than they expected out of him. He only had 9 minor league homers. And to be fair, he has played in 415 games, which about 2.5 season of ABs.

mikev · 12-28-2007, 01:24 PM

So I heard on XM's MLB channel that Minnesota has a 4/80 extension offer out to Johan.

Truth?

MorseMoose · 12-28-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

So I heard on XM's MLB channel that Minnesota has a 4/80 extension offer out to Johan.

Truth?

Haven't heard anything, he won't sign though.

MorseMoose · 01-14-2008, 08:51 PM

C'mon Twins!!!!!! Freaking sign Piazza!!

magnet · 01-28-2008, 03:06 AM

Check the sig.

mikev · 01-28-2008, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

C'mon Twins!!!!!! Freaking sign Piazza!!

PLEASE! The A's need a compensation pick!

MorseMoose · 01-28-2008, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mikev

PLEASE! The A's need a compensation pick!

Guh....didn't see that. When does that expire?

Jonzard · 02-04-2008, 02:34 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...t&lid=tab4pos1

He'll always be a Twin to us Twins fan so I thought I would post this article about Koskie and his concussion struggles.

messenjah · 02-05-2008, 02:11 AM

I hate that deal for the Twins they got for Santana. New York offered the best possible player in Hughes and Boston offered the best package, how did they choose the Mets package? They didn't even offer their best prospect. Huge win for the Mets.

Do you think that after this trade, the Haren trade, and the Bedard trade that teams are going to start trading their top pitchers way before free agency in order to get more back. It seems that the Santana return was so little because Santana had only a year left before hitting FA while Bedard and Haren have 2+ years, meaning more cost control for the teams getting them. It's an interesting thing to look at. It seems that more teams are getting onto this bandwagon for cost controlled talent and are willing to pay a lot for them. (Including the Miguel Cabrera trade as well). There have been a lot of huge packages given up for premier talent this offseason and I'm surprised that the best trade chip (Santana) probably got the least in return for him.

CommishJoe · 02-05-2008, 11:49 AM

Since I am a Yankees fan first and a Twins fan second, I had mixed reactions when I heard they went for the Mets offer. The Yankees had what I thought was the best offer on the table with Hughes leading the show. Unfortunately for the Twins, it doesn't appear that Hughes was on the table for very long:

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People who know say the Twins' only window for acquiring starting pitcher Phil Hughes from the New York Yankees in a trade for Johan Santana lasted less than two days, and that was in December.

Then, in a surprising turnabout that broke a 30-year philosophy of extravagant - and stupid - spending, the Yankees changed their minds and decided that committing Santana, 29, to a seven-year contract was too huge a gamble to take. Plus, the Yankees, in the midst of ownership transition, decided they wouldn't part with prospects the way they once did.

The Yankees, for once, might look good on this one. It's clear that in the latter years of Santana's new deal with the Mets, what has virtually become a priceless left arm won't be the same as it is now. And that's assuming that arm remains healthy. People get old, and arms get old.

It's unlikely the Mets will be able to get disability insurance on Santana's deal beyond the first four years. It's simply too big a risk.

As for the Boston Red Sox, they wouldn't offer pticher Jon Lester and outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury together in a package for Santana. And after initial talks, Boston remained relatively passive throughout the Santana sweepstakes.

There are baseball people who think outfielder Carlos Gomez, whom the Twins got for Santana and who might be baseball's fastest player on the basepaths (sub-4 seconds to first base), might have more upside than Ellsbury. That, of course, is to be determined.

The Santana-Mets deal was not a deal made solely by Twins general manager Bill Smith. It was made by Smith, the Pohlad family ownership, top Twins scouts and assorted top front-office officials. The Twins were convinced, under the circumstances, that it was the best they could do.

messenjah · 02-05-2008, 02:35 PM

Still, even with the rumored Sox and Yankees deals on the table, none of them compared to the overall haul that Oakland got for Haren and there's no way you can tell me that Haren is better than Santana. It just seems that Oakland made a great trade by giving up three cost controlled years of all-star pitching and getting back a plethora of prospects. After seeing the uninspiring haul that the Twins got for arguably the best pitcher in baseball, it almost seems like teams will move away from waiting until the last year to trade their upper echelon stars.

It's just an interesting aspect to the way the market is going these days. It seems that everywhere we look the market is changing. Players are signing more long term contracts to lock up their arb/FA years, less top tier FA's on the market, more money in teams hands, and now players are starting to get traded before their last year of arbitration. The way the market works is very different from even 5 years ago.

Jonzard · 02-06-2008, 01:14 AM

I am skeptical of the validity of either of the rumored deals. I'm not saying they weren't real but there is doubt cast upon them that wasn't there when we first heard of them.

PlayTheKids · 02-06-2008, 01:38 AM

I'm sorry, but Carlos Gomez will never be what's been pitched. He's a DUMB player who lacks discipline. The idea he'll become Carlos Beltran will never happen. The Twins' best hope for this deal is that Guerra becomes a rotation topper (possible) and that Humber and Mulvey reach their peaks (No. 3s, I think).

Jonzard · 02-06-2008, 06:27 PM

Jonzard · 02-12-2008, 03:13 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

Livan Hernandez $5mil 1 year.

darkenigma510 · 02-12-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...t&lid=tab4pos1

He'll always be a Twin to us Twins fan so I thought I would post this article about Koskie and his concussion struggles.

Very sad for Koskie. Hope he plays again.

MorseMoose · 02-24-2008, 02:26 PM

vetzballin.com - Videos - MLB 2K8

If Humber pitches like this...it'll be a gooooood year!

Jeremy Weimer · 02-24-2008, 04:18 PM

Anyone can string together two good innings.

phenom · 02-25-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

ctorg · 02-25-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PlayTheKids

I'm sorry, but Carlos Gomez will never be what's been pitched. He's a DUMB player who lacks discipline. The idea he'll become Carlos Beltran will never happen. The Twins' best hope for this deal is that Guerra becomes a rotation topper (possible) and that Humber and Mulvey reach their peaks (No. 3s, I think).

I agree in that I think, from watching him with the Mets last year, Gomez is overhyped. He's really lacking in discipline with the bat and on the bases. On the off chance that he develops some, he may be pretty good, but I think chances are he'll be a bust.

12-28-2007, 01:24 PM	#82
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	So I heard on XM's MLB channel that Minnesota has a 4/80 extension offer out to Johan. Truth? __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

02-04-2008, 02:34 AM	#88
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...t&lid=tab4pos1 He'll always be a Twin to us Twins fan so I thought I would post this article about Koskie and his concussion struggles. __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

02-06-2008, 01:14 AM	#92
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	I am skeptical of the validity of either of the rumored deals. I'm not saying they weren't real but there is doubt cast upon them that wasn't there when we first heard of them. __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

02-06-2008, 06:27 PM	#94
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	__________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

02-12-2008, 03:13 PM	#95
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns Livan Hernandez $5mil 1 year. __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

01-14-2008, 08:51 PM	#84
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	C'mon Twins!!!!!! Freaking sign Piazza!!

01-28-2008, 03:06 AM	#85
magnet Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,029	Check the sig.

02-05-2008, 02:11 AM	#89
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	I hate that deal for the Twins they got for Santana. New York offered the best possible player in Hughes and Boston offered the best package, how did they choose the Mets package? They didn't even offer their best prospect. Huge win for the Mets. Do you think that after this trade, the Haren trade, and the Bedard trade that teams are going to start trading their top pitchers way before free agency in order to get more back. It seems that the Santana return was so little because Santana had only a year left before hitting FA while Bedard and Haren have 2+ years, meaning more cost control for the teams getting them. It's an interesting thing to look at. It seems that more teams are getting onto this bandwagon for cost controlled talent and are willing to pay a lot for them. (Including the Miguel Cabrera trade as well). There have been a lot of huge packages given up for premier talent this offseason and I'm surprised that the best trade chip (Santana) probably got the least in return for him.

02-05-2008, 02:35 PM	#91
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	Still, even with the rumored Sox and Yankees deals on the table, none of them compared to the overall haul that Oakland got for Haren and there's no way you can tell me that Haren is better than Santana. It just seems that Oakland made a great trade by giving up three cost controlled years of all-star pitching and getting back a plethora of prospects. After seeing the uninspiring haul that the Twins got for arguably the best pitcher in baseball, it almost seems like teams will move away from waiting until the last year to trade their upper echelon stars. It's just an interesting aspect to the way the market is going these days. It seems that everywhere we look the market is changing. Players are signing more long term contracts to lock up their arb/FA years, less top tier FA's on the market, more money in teams hands, and now players are starting to get traded before their last year of arbitration. The way the market works is very different from even 5 years ago.

02-06-2008, 01:38 AM	#93
PlayTheKids Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 116	I'm sorry, but Carlos Gomez will never be what's been pitched. He's a DUMB player who lacks discipline. The idea he'll become Carlos Beltran will never happen. The Twins' best hope for this deal is that Guerra becomes a rotation topper (possible) and that Humber and Mulvey reach their peaks (No. 3s, I think).

02-24-2008, 02:26 PM	#97
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	vetzballin.com - Videos - MLB 2K8 If Humber pitches like this...it'll be a gooooood year!

02-24-2008, 04:18 PM	#98
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	Anyone can string together two good innings.