OOTP 6.51 VS The Newer Verisons - Page 3

bababui · 01-13-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

But I will say this: the above is a mass of very personal opinions trying very hard to masquerade as facts.

We could say the same thing about every post that describes the game, couldnt we?

Cooleyvol · 01-13-2008, 02:34 PM

To Sweed

Show me the opinion in that post.

--Number of users on this forum at any given time as compared to three years ago? DOWN
--Number of league posts on the front page of the Online forum as compared? DOWN

Paint it any way you like. The online leagues and their posts are way down. That's FACT. Its not that hard to check.

.........and those solo players that you reference were in online leagues way back when
this game had much higher support on these forums than it does today.

Obviously you're a lover of the new setup, given your trying to debunk factual statements as opinion.

Cooleyvol · 01-13-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

We could say the same thing about every post that describes the game, couldnt we?

--that describes the game? Yes

--that describes the effects of the game on this forum? No

bababui · 01-13-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

To Sweed

Show me the opinion in that post.

--Number of users on this forum at any given time as compared to three years ago? DOWN
--Number of league posts on the front page of the Online forum as compared? DOWN

Paint it any way you like. The online leagues and their posts are way down. That's FACT. Its not that hard to check.

.........and those solo players that you reference were in online leagues way back when
this game had much higher support on these forums than it does today.

Obviously you're a lover of the new setup, given your trying to debunk factual statements as opinion.

What do the number of posters have to do with the actual game??

We could also spin it this way. Many OOTP users are young men. Young men finish theor education and get a job and start a family. They outgrow/have less time for message boards. Also, the world of gaming has evolved since those days and there are more choices out there. If people really wanted a simpler game the other two OOTP competitors would have larger sales.

bababui · 01-13-2008, 02:41 PM

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Obviously you're a lover of the new setup,

Well, it did take a little getting used to. Vut it was worth the sacrifice to get a deeper experience. Thanks to Markus for making most of that depth optional though.

Cooleyvol · 01-13-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

^^^(borrowed from The Wolf with a little edit)

While I respect your opinion. Its just that -- an opinion.
Pretty sure there are a number of solo and historical solo players that would argue with your opinion. Along with a number of players that play both online and solo.

Say what you want, Sweed. I was here from v2 on. I know what drove this game through those years. In those days there were multiple QUALITY leagues that had longevity and history being built.

Today, there's less than ten leagues that I would say fall into that category and most of those are holdovers from the earlier versions.

Why? Its too difficult to a) set up a league the way you want and b) ease of use is just not there as it was in the earlier versions.

I'm not going to argue the point. It really doesnt matter to me anymore. I don't even miss the game anymore. If the new version went back to a more v6 feel, I'd buy it to see how it was. If it doesnt, I won't buy it.

In fact, I think I only come here out of habit. I've been here for 8 years or more.

The proof is right here on the forums for you (and everyone else) to see. This game doesnt cater to the online league player/commissioner as the older versions did.

It sacrificed that for the 'world of baseball'.

Cooleyvol · 01-13-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

What do the number of posters have to do with the actual game??

Come on dude, let's not get silly.

Really, I'm finished. I won't argue the point any further. You think its fine. I don't. I think it moved toward a whole different audience with the move to SI and that cut out those of us that were here for years. You're part of that new audience now, so you like it.

I'm in one online league now and its a freaking chore for me to open the game up. I dread it like the clap. I do it b/c I love the league, but that's b/c it doesnt use OOTP for anything other than simulating the games. I don't have to fool with anything in the game except setting my lineups. If I had to stay inside the game for very long at all, I'd quit that league today.

Sweed · 01-13-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

To Sweed

Show me the opinion in that post.

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

. The masses obviously don't use this game as they did past versions, and like it or not, online leagues built the community this game used to sit atop.

Already did. You have no idea what the masses are\were doing with the game. You only know that post counts are down for online leagues. Could be that every solo player that ever played the game since v1 is still doing so (exaggeration

). You just don't know because they never participated in online leagues. For all you know since day 1 there may have been many more solo players than online players. You assume because online forums have lot's of posts that means there are more online players. I would submit there were more posts because these guys were discussing leagues they were all involved in. As a solo player the only person I really have to discuss my league with is me. I don't have to go online for that

I think there are many more solo players than you do, it's a great way to play.
I tried online once with front office football and hated the experience. Deadlines for imports, drafts, trying to get together with someone to do trades, etc. My OPINION is the vast majority of solo players either rarely or never even visit these boards and if they do, most, probably lurk checking for patch details, mods, or maybe some tidbit of info to help them through a problem they might be having.

You don't like the game because of it's online capabilities or lack there of. You think the majority of players play online. These are simply your OPINIONS and unless you have sales figures from OOTP dev or SI they are only your opinions. No different or no more based in facts than mine.

Cooleyvol · 01-13-2008, 03:53 PM

Last post (I promise)--

FACT:
In 2007 only 285 people have joined this forum
2006 -- 451
2005-- 330
2004 -- 739
2003 -- 1101
2002 -- 1330

Now, while it will be pointed out that these are not sales numbers, the fact remains that these numbers do point out that joining members are way down as compared to the years of v5 and 6...............and joining members to me would have a direct relation to 'new' customers.

I'm not sure, but I think the 05-07 era was the SI era. You'd think, given the huge community over at SI, these numbers would be better.

Take note of the earlier years and their relationship to OOTP version.

jazzrack · 01-13-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

Either way the point I was making stands, at least for me

I'm not seeing why a 6.5 solo player wouldn't be happy with v2007 and a 6.5 type set up.

I want to be clear that i have no ill will towards markus, si or even the direction the game has taken, business is business and these things happen.

but to answer the question. its like using the space shuttle to go 3 blocks to the grocery store, simply more trouble than its worth. but thats just me, I am truely happy that those who like the new versions are happy with it, its just not for me.

i don't see myself leaving the overall community any time soon, i enjoy what time i spend here & I'll look at future versions of the game and if it evolves into something that i like again i'll buy it. I just don't see it happening in the next version or 2.

jazzrack · 01-13-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

Last post (I promise)--

FACT:
In 2007 only 285 people have joined this forum
2006 -- 451
2005-- 330
2004 -- 739
2003 -- 1101
2002 -- 1330

Now, while it will be pointed out that these are not sales numbers, the fact remains that these numbers do point out that joining members are way down as compared to the years of v5 and 6...............and joining members to me would have a direct relation to 'new' customers.

I'm not sure, but I think the 05-07 era was the SI era. You'd think, given the huge community over at SI, these numbers would be better.

Take note of the earlier years and their relationship to OOTP version.

not entirly sure this is a fair way to look at it, there were also forums for it over at SI so some may never had joined here. The split community forums could also be an issue with what feels like a loss of community spirit.

The Wolf · 01-13-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

We could say the same thing about every post that describes the game, couldnt we?

No. Many of them actually are factual, as in how to something, what features are available, etc.

The Wolf · 01-13-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

I think it moved toward a whole different audience with the move to SI and...you're part of that new audience now, so you like it.

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6.51 > 8 > 2007 >>> 2006

bababui · 01-13-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

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6.51 > 8 > 2007 >>> 2006

Only for those who prefer the VW Bug over the BMW. If you want your baseball universe small, solid, insular and not too inclusive 6.51 would be for you.

Recte44 · 01-13-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

Where are the condescending remarks in this thread?

He's referring to my post, which was not condescending at all, just fact.

The Wolf · 01-13-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Only for those who prefer the VW Bug over the BMW.

LOL. More like for those of us who prefer classic cars over modern junkers.

I do know people who prefer Bugs over BMW's. They're called "hippies."

bababui · 01-13-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

LOL. More like for those of us who prefer classic cars over modern junkers.

I do know people who prefer Bugs over BMW's. They're called "hippies."

But gamers can play a simple game on v2007-8. Can they not?

silvam14 · 01-13-2008, 07:28 PM

It seems to me that this topic could get re-hashed ad-nauseum.

You can count me as one who thinks each version has gotten progressively better and I get really excited for each new release.

Its just too bad that some people can't feel that way about it, but hey, that's life right.

The Wolf · 01-13-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

But gamers can play a simple game on v2007-8. Can they not?

Maybe some can. I sure can't.

The Wolf · 01-13-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

You can count me as one who thinks each version has gotten progressively better

Each version has surely gotten more complicated. But this is my question: is OOTP 8 more easier and more fun to play than 6.51 was?

01-13-2008, 07:28 PM	#58
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 9,973	It seems to me that this topic could get re-hashed ad-nauseum. You can count me as one who thinks each version has gotten progressively better and I get really excited for each new release. Its just too bad that some people can't feel that way about it, but hey, that's life right. __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

01-13-2008, 02:34 PM	#42
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	To Sweed Show me the opinion in that post. --Number of users on this forum at any given time as compared to three years ago? DOWN --Number of league posts on the front page of the Online forum as compared? DOWN Paint it any way you like. The online leagues and their posts are way down. That's FACT. Its not that hard to check. .........and those solo players that you reference were in online leagues way back when this game had much higher support on these forums than it does today. Obviously you're a lover of the new setup, given your trying to debunk factual statements as opinion.

01-13-2008, 03:53 PM	#49
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Last post (I promise)-- FACT: In 2007 only 285 people have joined this forum 2006 -- 451 2005-- 330 2004 -- 739 2003 -- 1101 2002 -- 1330 Now, while it will be pointed out that these are not sales numbers, the fact remains that these numbers do point out that joining members are way down as compared to the years of v5 and 6...............and joining members to me would have a direct relation to 'new' customers. I'm not sure, but I think the 05-07 era was the SI era. You'd think, given the huge community over at SI, these numbers would be better. Take note of the earlier years and their relationship to OOTP version.