Markus..please tweak the Milestone Watch

LCS213 · 12-15-2007, 07:43 PM

Does anyone else agree that it would make sense to have the Milestone Watch page sorted differently. As it stands now, each milestone category (Hits, HR's, etc) is sorted alphabetically by player name.
For example:

HR milestones

Name Age Team Milestone Current Missing
Player A 36 Boston 400 HR's 373 HR's 27 HR's
Player B 32 Boston 200 HR's 179 HR's 21 HR's
Player C 34 Chicago 300 HR's 298 HR's 2 HR's
Player D 38 Houston 400 HR's 385 HR's 15 HR's
and so on.
I think it should first be sorted by the actual milestone, then within each milestone, sorted alphabetically. It's much easier to read that way, and more intuitive. It gets really tough to read when there are 50+ players on the list.

HR milestones

Name Age Team Milestone Current Missing
Player A 36 Boston 400 HR's 373 HR's 27 HR's
Player D 38 Houston 400 HR's 385 HR's 15 HR's
Player C 34 Chicago 300 HR's 298 HR's 2 HR's
Player B 32 Boston 200 HR's 179 HR's 21 HR's

This shouldn't be too difficult to fix. Please do!

Giants44 · 12-15-2007, 08:07 PM

I haven't looked at this yet, but I agree with your recommendation.

mars001 · 12-15-2007, 08:14 PM

That sounds good to me too. I love the new Milestone Watch, but I have to say I was a bit disappointed to have a player surpass the milestone without a notice. I was hoping for a news story, a message, or at least an entry in the players history.

andymac · 12-15-2007, 08:17 PM

I would say the secondary sort should be how close how close they are to the record in ascending order as well.

targy · 12-15-2007, 11:23 PM

I think the Milestone section should allow you to sort each section the way you want.

Tyke · 12-16-2007, 05:40 AM

I agree with andymac, and also with mars001 that it would be nice to have a news item triggered when a milestone is passed. Great feature, though!

1998 Yankees · 12-16-2007, 09:33 AM

There's also a bit of a problem with listing players within 100 home runs of a milestone when the screen says only those within 30 should be shown. It seems, by the way, that the intent was to make the cutoff a good season's worth of the statistic. This day and age, I would make the home runs watch within 50 homers, not 30.

1998 Yankees · 12-16-2007, 09:45 AM

Dola,

Maybe the milestone K's needs to be tweaked too. Should not Smoltz be appearing on this list, as he needs only 182 strikeouts for 3,000? Only these two appear right now.

Or, is all of this a function of the MLB roster set included in the game, which is all that I have been looking at so far with the Milestone Watch? Is it functioning correctly in other games?

The Wolf · 12-16-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mars001

That sounds good to me too. I love the new Milestone Watch, but I have to say I was a bit disappointed to have a player surpass the milestone without a notice. I was hoping for a news story, a message, or at least an entry in the players history.

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ctorg · 12-16-2007, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mars001

That sounds good to me too. I love the new Milestone Watch, but I have to say I was a bit disappointed to have a player surpass the milestone without a notice. I was hoping for a news story, a message, or at least an entry in the players history.

I know it has been improved upon over time, but one area where, even now, I still think OOTP needs more work, is in defining what triggers a news article. There are all kinds of events that should trigger them but don't, from team events (I scored 26 runs in a game not long ago, but the only news article about it was that one of my guys had 5 hits) to player accomplishments (I had a guy strike out 21 batters in a game. He also pitched a shutout. The shutout produced a news article, but not the 21 Ks).

The game needs to have more of an awareness of its own history. When an all-time record is broken, it should be noted. It would even be nice to see things like homerun chases being documented (although I understand that this would be quite difficult to do). But this is for another thread, I guess.

1998 Yankees · 12-16-2007, 10:49 AM

I have a feeling that this thread will shortly either go to next page or sink down into the depths without resolution of the basic question of whether the Milestone Watch is even working properly. If so, given the other problems I am seeing with OOTP 8, I might revert back to OOTP 2007 and hunker down for a year or so. (Not that I'm impatient . . . no . . . I should sign off because I'm getting unusually cranky with OOTP for some reason . . . I think I need a timeout . . .

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koohead · 12-16-2007, 10:50 AM

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought it was a little weird to see players who are 80 HRs away on the milestone watch list. would also like to be able to click on a column and sort that way.
Def agree that primary sort should't be Name. should def be the milestone first.

1998 Yankees · 12-16-2007, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koohead

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought it was a little weird to see players who are 80 HRs away on the milestone watch list. would also like to be able to click on a column and sort that way.
Def agree that primary sort should't be Name. should def be the milestone first.

Yeah, I don't mean to highjack the thread, I agree about the sorting and the message generation, but for some reason the flaws are bothering me. I want to sign off on OOTP 8/2007, do you know what I am saying?

QuestGAV · 12-16-2007, 11:00 AM

I think implementing Targy's suggestion would be great. In the absence of that, it definitely needs to be ordered more intuitively.

Doughnuts? · 12-16-2007, 04:52 PM

It should be implemented properly. It's a little sloppy right now.

LCS213 · 12-16-2007, 09:17 PM

I guess the real question is...what are the odds of it getting fixed? I've had a lot of faith in Markus and the crew over the years, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Which is why I plunked down the few bucks for OOTP8, to support the team. I just don't see how this gets out of beta without someone saying "Hey, maybe we could do this better?" Sigh...it's why i really wanted to be on the beta team, because it's little things like this that separate a really good game from a great game.

I just hope OOTP isn't going the way of an EA Sports game, where you'll see new features added but not done right. Then the next year that feature is fixed. The next year the feature is removed and/or changed completely. And after a few more years it's brought back, and the cycle continues.

Markus Heinsohn · 12-17-2007, 05:06 AM

Fixed!

There will be a new patch today that also adresses historical league importing issues with the new lahman DB

The Wolf · 12-17-2007, 06:24 AM

This incremental patch thing with full installs needed every time is a pain, but it sure is nice getting all of our issues addressed.

The Wolf · 12-17-2007, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LCS213

I guess the real question is...what are the odds of it getting fixed?

Infinite to one in favor.

Markus Heinsohn · 12-17-2007, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

This incremental patch thing with full installs needed every time is a pain, but it sure is nice getting all of our issues addressed.

You do not need a full install if you just want the milestone and historical issue fixed

12-15-2007, 07:43 PM	#1
LCS213 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 170	Markus..please tweak the Milestone Watch Does anyone else agree that it would make sense to have the Milestone Watch page sorted differently. As it stands now, each milestone category (Hits, HR's, etc) is sorted alphabetically by player name. For example: HR milestones Name Age Team Milestone Current Missing Player A 36 Boston 400 HR's 373 HR's 27 HR's Player B 32 Boston 200 HR's 179 HR's 21 HR's Player C 34 Chicago 300 HR's 298 HR's 2 HR's Player D 38 Houston 400 HR's 385 HR's 15 HR's and so on. I think it should first be sorted by the actual milestone, then within each milestone, sorted alphabetically. It's much easier to read that way, and more intuitive. It gets really tough to read when there are 50+ players on the list. HR milestones Name Age Team Milestone Current Missing Player A 36 Boston 400 HR's 373 HR's 27 HR's Player D 38 Houston 400 HR's 385 HR's 15 HR's Player C 34 Chicago 300 HR's 298 HR's 2 HR's Player B 32 Boston 200 HR's 179 HR's 21 HR's This shouldn't be too difficult to fix. Please do!

12-15-2007, 08:07 PM	#2
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 2,408	I haven't looked at this yet, but I agree with your recommendation. __________________ "In a text sim - Immersion is everything" -Me "Judge a man not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" -Martin Luther King "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Einstein "The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." -Muhammad Ali "Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything." -Toby Harrah

12-15-2007, 08:17 PM	#4
andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	I would say the secondary sort should be how close how close they are to the record in ascending order as well. __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac

12-15-2007, 11:23 PM	#5
targy All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 1,152	I think the Milestone section should allow you to sort each section the way you want. __________________ www.emerge180.com

12-16-2007, 09:33 AM	#7
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	There's also a bit of a problem with listing players within 100 home runs of a milestone when the screen says only those within 30 should be shown. It seems, by the way, that the intent was to make the cutoff a good season's worth of the statistic. This day and age, I would make the home runs watch within 50 homers, not 30. Attached Images

12-15-2007, 08:14 PM	#3
mars001 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 951	That sounds good to me too. I love the new Milestone Watch, but I have to say I was a bit disappointed to have a player surpass the milestone without a notice. I was hoping for a news story, a message, or at least an entry in the players history.

12-16-2007, 05:40 AM	#6
Tyke All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Cleckheaton, West Yorkshire, U.K. Posts: 1,142	I agree with andymac, and also with mars001 that it would be nice to have a news item triggered when a milestone is passed. Great feature, though!

12-16-2007, 09:45 AM	#8
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Dola, Maybe the milestone K's needs to be tweaked too. Should not Smoltz be appearing on this list, as he needs only 182 strikeouts for 3,000? Only these two appear right now. Or, is all of this a function of the MLB roster set included in the game, which is all that I have been looking at so far with the Milestone Watch? Is it functioning correctly in other games? Attached Images Last edited by 1998 Yankees; 12-16-2007 at 09:49 AM.

12-16-2007, 10:49 AM	#11
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	I have a feeling that this thread will shortly either go to next page or sink down into the depths without resolution of the basic question of whether the Milestone Watch is even working properly. If so, given the other problems I am seeing with OOTP 8, I might revert back to OOTP 2007 and hunker down for a year or so. (Not that I'm impatient . . . no . . . I should sign off because I'm getting unusually cranky with OOTP for some reason . . . I think I need a timeout . . . ) Last edited by 1998 Yankees; 12-16-2007 at 10:52 AM.

12-16-2007, 10:50 AM	#12
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,233	I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought it was a little weird to see players who are 80 HRs away on the milestone watch list. would also like to be able to click on a column and sort that way. Def agree that primary sort should't be Name. should def be the milestone first. __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

12-16-2007, 11:00 AM	#14
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	I think implementing Targy's suggestion would be great. In the absence of that, it definitely needs to be ordered more intuitively.

12-16-2007, 04:52 PM	#15
Doughnuts? All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 704	It should be implemented properly. It's a little sloppy right now.

12-16-2007, 09:17 PM	#16
LCS213 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 170	I guess the real question is...what are the odds of it getting fixed? I've had a lot of faith in Markus and the crew over the years, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Which is why I plunked down the few bucks for OOTP8, to support the team. I just don't see how this gets out of beta without someone saying "Hey, maybe we could do this better?" Sigh...it's why i really wanted to be on the beta team, because it's little things like this that separate a really good game from a great game. I just hope OOTP isn't going the way of an EA Sports game, where you'll see new features added but not done right. Then the next year that feature is fixed. The next year the feature is removed and/or changed completely. And after a few more years it's brought back, and the cycle continues.

12-17-2007, 05:06 AM	#17
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	Fixed! There will be a new patch today that also adresses historical league importing issues with the new lahman DB