'07 Patriots .. Best ever ? - Page 2

DougWyatt · 11-04-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

The Colts have flat out been the better team up to this point. If the Pats are the better team over the last 20 minutes, they will win.

Thusfar. I agree. Penalties have been tough - but Addai & the Pass Rush have been tougher.

And DAMN - Whatta pick by Brackett

Prodigal Son · 11-04-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

The Colts have flat out been the better team up to this point.

It looks like a different Patriots team when they play a good team.

marc · 11-04-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

It looks like a different Patriots team when they play a good team.

There's some time left but if this holds up there isn't much doubt who the better team is.

Let's keep in mind the Colts have played without 2 of their top 3 WR's, their starting LT, and 2 LB's.

DougWyatt · 11-04-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

There's some time left but if this holds up there isn't much doubt who the better team is.

Let's keep in mind the Colts have played without 2 of their top 3 WR's, their starting LT, and 2 LB's.

Let's also keep in mind it's in Indy.

marc · 11-04-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DougWyatt

Let's also keep in mind it's in Indy.

Homefield is worth about 3 points, that doesn't exactly even out to losing 1/4 of your starting lineup including your best offensive weapon.

Even if the Pats come back and win, there's no doubt in my mind the Colts are the better team.

DougWyatt · 11-04-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

Homefield is worth about 3 points, that doesn't exactly even out to losing 1/4 of your starting lineup including your best offensive weapon.

Even if the Pats come back and win, there's no doubt in my mind the Colts are the better team.

I wasn't comparing. Just noting. And, I disagree. Sure the "bookies" see it as 3 points - but is often more. (Not saying it is in this case .. just making an observation).

That said .. that was another horrible pass interference call vs. the Pats. Now before someone jumps me ... I'm not jumping up and saying "the refs are costing N.E. the game - just pointing out it was a bad call.

magnet · 11-04-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DougWyatt

I wasn't comparing. Just noting. And, I disagree. Sure the "bookies" see it as 3 points - but is often more. (Not saying it is in this case .. just making an observation).

That said .. that was another horrible pass interference call vs. the Pats. Now before someone jumps me ... I'm not jumping up and saying "the refs are costing N.E. the game - just pointing out it was a bad call.

I agree. That was definitely a phantom penalty.

Art99 · 11-04-2007, 08:02 PM

As impressive as they've been they only played one good team - Dallas. With BB leaving Brady and all his starters in the game with 30 point leads in the 4th quarter to run up the score, well if he gets injured then how great will NE be ? Coaches of most of the other great teams had the class to pull their starters during blowouts. I doubt anyone could even name their backup QB. The 49'ers, Steelers and Cowboys idynasties n the pre-cap era also had great depth which matters later in the season and playoffs and teams in the salary cap era just can't have that kind of depth.

DougWyatt · 11-04-2007, 08:10 PM

Just curious. Why is pulling your starters "classy" ?

I say this. If a team doesn't want the score ran up on them, well - stop the other team. If a coach feels it's in his teams best interest to practice this play or that play, that they need some gametime 2 minute drill work or whatever -- IMO - that's not unclassy.

Prodigal Son · 11-04-2007, 08:12 PM

With the injuries on both sides, I'm not sure if this game will tell us anything about which is the better team.

It does tell us that these teams are very closely-matched.

DougWyatt · 11-04-2007, 08:14 PM

You don't think it'll give us any insight on anybodies hidden "clutch" rating ?

yankeesrule · 11-04-2007, 08:15 PM

definatly gotta wonder how different this game woulda been if not for the numerous key injuries to indy. hopefully get a healthy rematch in january between them

Prodigal Son · 11-04-2007, 08:22 PM

I'm surprised the Pats didn't run a fake kneel play right there and toss it deep.

The Sox Guy · 11-04-2007, 08:42 PM

What a game. This one really did live up to the hype, which is rare.

QuestGAV · 11-04-2007, 08:47 PM

Addai was the best player on the field for 3 quarters, Brady dominated the 4th. Great game, I wish those two teams could play every week as it's not much fun watching either of them roll over JV squads.

Erich Ingram · 11-04-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Art99

As impressive as they've been they only played one good team - Dallas. With BB leaving Brady and all his starters in the game with 30 point leads in the 4th quarter to run up the score, well if he gets injured then how great will NE be ? Coaches of most of the other great teams had the class to pull their starters during blowouts. I doubt anyone could even name their backup QB. The 49'ers, Steelers and Cowboys idynasties n the pre-cap era also had great depth which matters later in the season and playoffs and teams in the salary cap era just can't have that kind of depth.

Everyone knows the backup QB is Matt Cassel. He is the guy that threw the pick 6 against Miami and then scored the run-up the score td last week.

1998 Yankees · 11-04-2007, 11:04 PM

Here's the remaining Patriots schedule, with current opponent team records. Seven games left on the path to glory. Speculation?

WK 10 Bye
WK 11 at Buffalo (4-4, Home: 3-2)
WK 12 Philadelphia (3-4, Road: 2-2)
WK 13 at Baltimore (4-3, Home: 3-0)
WK 14 Pittsburgh (5-2, Road: 2-2)
WK 15 NY Jets (1-8, Road: 0-4)
WK 16 Miami (0-8, Road: 0-4)
WK 17 at NY Giants (6-2, Home: 3-1)

It figures my team may be the one that they make history against by winning their final game.

Erik W. · 11-04-2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Here's the remaining Patriots schedule, with current opponent team records. Seven games left on the path to glory. Speculation?

Depends. If BB keeps on with the mentality of destroying everyone in order to show that his success has nothing to do with illegal video tapes, they could go undefeated. But if they take their foot off the gas after clinching as most teams do, they won't.

Bryan Swartz · 11-04-2007, 11:17 PM

I've seen two teams in my time that I thought capable of going undefeated. Late 90s Broncos and mid-80s Bears. Note that the Giants and Dolphins are on New England's schedule(those being the teams that handed those teams their first loss). I say the odds are against the Patriots, but they could possibly do it. I never thought Denver would lose after TD had 1300 or some-odd yards in the first eight games, and then they lost twice. What will happen is if New England wins a couple more, it is going to be more and more difficult for them to reach the emotional level of their opponents: every team they play, espescially bad ones, will come with the effort of their life knowing they can salvage at least partially a crappy year by being the team that denied history.

1998 Yankees · 11-04-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan Swartz

What will happen is if New England wins a couple more, it is going to be more and more difficult for them to reach the emotional level of their opponents: every team they play, espescially bad ones, will come with the effort of their life knowing they can salvage at least partially a crappy year by being the team that denied history.

I won't dignify the Jets and the Dolphins as trap games, but there are some possible sleepers among the rest who could cause trouble.

11-04-2007, 08:42 PM	#34
The Sox Guy Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 37	What a game. This one really did live up to the hype, which is rare. __________________ Boston Red Sox Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.

11-04-2007, 08:02 PM	#28
Art99 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 242	As impressive as they've been they only played one good team - Dallas. With BB leaving Brady and all his starters in the game with 30 point leads in the 4th quarter to run up the score, well if he gets injured then how great will NE be ? Coaches of most of the other great teams had the class to pull their starters during blowouts. I doubt anyone could even name their backup QB. The 49'ers, Steelers and Cowboys idynasties n the pre-cap era also had great depth which matters later in the season and playoffs and teams in the salary cap era just can't have that kind of depth.

11-04-2007, 08:10 PM	#29
DougWyatt All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,117	Just curious. Why is pulling your starters "classy" ? I say this. If a team doesn't want the score ran up on them, well - stop the other team. If a coach feels it's in his teams best interest to practice this play or that play, that they need some gametime 2 minute drill work or whatever -- IMO - that's not unclassy.

11-04-2007, 08:12 PM	#30
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	With the injuries on both sides, I'm not sure if this game will tell us anything about which is the better team. It does tell us that these teams are very closely-matched.

11-04-2007, 08:14 PM	#31
DougWyatt All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,117	You don't think it'll give us any insight on anybodies hidden "clutch" rating ?

11-04-2007, 08:15 PM	#32
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	definatly gotta wonder how different this game woulda been if not for the numerous key injuries to indy. hopefully get a healthy rematch in january between them

11-04-2007, 08:22 PM	#33
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	I'm surprised the Pats didn't run a fake kneel play right there and toss it deep.

11-04-2007, 08:47 PM	#35
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,008	Addai was the best player on the field for 3 quarters, Brady dominated the 4th. Great game, I wish those two teams could play every week as it's not much fun watching either of them roll over JV squads.

11-04-2007, 11:04 PM	#37
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Here's the remaining Patriots schedule, with current opponent team records. Seven games left on the path to glory. Speculation? WK 10 Bye WK 11 at Buffalo (4-4, Home: 3-2) WK 12 Philadelphia (3-4, Road: 2-2) WK 13 at Baltimore (4-3, Home: 3-0) WK 14 Pittsburgh (5-2, Road: 2-2) WK 15 NY Jets (1-8, Road: 0-4) WK 16 Miami (0-8, Road: 0-4) WK 17 at NY Giants (6-2, Home: 3-1) It figures my team may be the one that they make history against by winning their final game.

11-04-2007, 11:17 PM	#39
Bryan Swartz Major Leagues Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 457	I've seen two teams in my time that I thought capable of going undefeated. Late 90s Broncos and mid-80s Bears. Note that the Giants and Dolphins are on New England's schedule(those being the teams that handed those teams their first loss). I say the odds are against the Patriots, but they could possibly do it. I never thought Denver would lose after TD had 1300 or some-odd yards in the first eight games, and then they lost twice. What will happen is if New England wins a couple more, it is going to be more and more difficult for them to reach the emotional level of their opponents: every team they play, espescially bad ones, will come with the effort of their life knowing they can salvage at least partially a crappy year by being the team that denied history.