2007-08 NHL Thread...

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by ukslamjam

Here here! Give the real players chance to play without the risk of getting injured by goons!!! I'm all for the physical aspect of the game but what Boulerice did was just plain stupid!! I'm a Flyers fan and I think the guy should of been banned for life! It was disgraceful!!

The way the Flyers are going I wouldn't say that too loud.

[ukslamjam]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

The way the Flyers are going I wouldn't say that too loud.

[Mad Bomber]

I believe people like Bertuzzi, Downie and Boulerice should be thrown out of the league for their actions on the ice. My god Bertuzzi didn't even get much of a suspension for what he did to Steve Moore, and before someone says he got a
year remember there was the strike/lockout, and the fact he was unable to play
in Europe, well half the league didn't play in Europe.


Greg

[Big Hugg]

The real issue the NHL has is how inconcistent they are. Check this Jordan Tootoo play: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gf8ivNA36yI

He just blatantly charges the guy and elbows him in the face and they don't even call a penalty.

Of course, the follow up by the Phoenix guy is a blatant cheap shot and he got thrown out of the game.

Tootoo got nothing.

[Mad Bomber]

Originally Posted by Big Hugg

The real issue the NHL has is how inconcistent they are. Check this Jordan Tootoo play: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gf8ivNA36yI

He just blatantly charges the guy and elbows him in the face and they don't even call a penalty.

Of course, the follow up by the Phoenix guy is a blatant cheap shot and he got thrown out of the game.

Tootoo got nothing.

I totally agree, Tootoo is another stiff. Here is something to consider as we spoke of this in the Newsroom yesterday, what if they trimmed the rosters to
18 players ? how many goons do you think would be left in the league then ?
I think the first people they would rid themselves of are the goons hopefully.

Greg

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Originally Posted by Big Hugg

The real issue the NHL has is how inconcistent they are. Check this Jordan Tootoo play: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gf8ivNA36yI

He just blatantly charges the guy and elbows him in the face and they don't even call a penalty.

Of course, the follow up by the Phoenix guy is a blatant cheap shot and he got thrown out of the game.

Tootoo got nothing.

I'm sorry but I am with the majority of people who only see the elbow leave his side AFTER the hit.



At least I understand people seeing that though unlike some who have said he left his feet. Anything to defend Downey

I have no love for Tootoo, I hope one day a zamboni hits him, but if het picked up a suspension it should be for the charge and playacting the Weller clothesline and then for 1-2 games with a fine for being a repeat offender.

If you really want to argue consistency then go after the Sutton elbow against the Rangers.

[ukslamjam]

I just hope the NHL can crack down ASAP on this kind of behaviour before it drives more fans away!

[Big Hugg]

Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

I'm sorry but I am with the majority of people who only see the elbow leave his side AFTER the hit.

Yeah, that picture is pretty good evidence really. Hadn't seen it.

Anyway, it's just not why I watch the game. I get no thrill from seeing a guy skate 5 strides and hit a guy who has no idea it's coming. I hate how this crap overshadows the ridiculous level of skill that's on the ice in every NHL game.

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Originally Posted by Big Hugg

Yeah, that picture is pretty good evidence really. Hadn't seen it.

Anyway, it's just not why I watch the game. I get no thrill from seeing a guy skate 5 strides and hit a guy who has no idea it's coming. I hate how this crap overshadows the ridiculous level of skill that's on the ice in every NHL game.

Oh no, there is no doubt it was a charge. I actually learnt through Tootoo's hit that there is no written rule to determine how many strides is a charge. I, along with many others, thought it was three strides, but there is no total in the rulebook for this which is kinda odd.

On a related note - There are a few players each year who skate around with their heads down so when did they stop teaching this?! This was the one of the first things I was ever told and I'm in the UK so it must be in My First Book in Canada

And another thing. What is the purpose of padding? Protection, right? So why do players need shoulder pads that could probably stop a bullet??

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Bob McKenzie pisses me off. That is all.

[piperclap]

Originally Posted by Mad Bomber

I totally agree, Tootoo is another stiff. Here is something to consider as we spoke of this in the Newsroom yesterday, what if they trimmed the rosters to
18 players ? how many goons do you think would be left in the league then ?
I think the first people they would rid themselves of are the goons hopefully.

Greg

There's a difference between goons and cheap shot artists.

You'd never see a team's goon do things like this-mostly because they know they will have to answer the bell at some point. In fact, someone from the canucks should have been over the boards pounding boulerice into a coma after that happened.

But then again, I'm kind of old school in my thinking that a few good fighters are a better deterrant than penalties and suspensions. If another team's players know they will have to answer for their indiscretions, they will be a bit more cautious with the behavior.

[Le Grande Orange]

The Leafs blew a 3-1 lead and lost 6-4. They were outshot 52-27. To which I can only say... Ha! Ha!

Someday the Leafs supporters in this town are going to realize that management has been playing them for chumps for years and years... and maybe then Toronto will actually get a Cup contending team instead of the pretenders which have been trotted out...

[marc]

Flyers in 1st place!

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Originally Posted by marc

Flyers in 1st place!

In the Crush, Kill and Destroy stat columns? :slurpsoup:

[Mad Bomber]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The Leafs blew a 3-1 lead and lost 6-4. They were outshot 52-27. To which I can only say... Ha! Ha!

Someday the Leafs supporters in this town are going to realize that management has been playing them for chumps for years and years... and maybe then Toronto will actually get a Cup contending team instead of the pretenders which have been trotted out...

I remember quite vividly back in the 80's when I started working at CBC, and many of the Leaf fans I worked with at the time would say, I can't wait until Harold Ballard dies and we finally win the Stanley Cup!! well guess what guys
Ballard passed away years ago, and the team has had several owners since then, and they still can't stop the bleeding.


Greg

[Jestre]

Originally Posted by ukslamjam

I just hope the NHL can crack down ASAP on this kind of behaviour before it drives more fans away!

Its the NHL's crackdown on the game that has caused this problem, used to be the players would take care of policing the cheapshot artists by beating them senseless. Cheapshots were much rarer during the rough and tumble 70's and 80's before Bettman pansified the league. The worst cheapshot guys back then were guys like Cashman and Dale Hunter that would just swat at guys legs/ankles with their lumber otherwise they knew Tiger Williams or Dave Schultz would beat the crap out of them. Go back to the way the game was played back in the 70's and guys like Boulerice would disappear.

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Originally Posted by Jestre

Its the NHL's crackdown on the game that has caused this problem, used to be the players would take care of policing the cheapshot artists by beating them senseless. Cheapshots were much rarer during the rough and tumble 70's and 80's before Bettman pansified the league. The worst cheapshot guys back then were guys like Cashman and Dale Hunter that would just swat at guys legs/ankles with their lumber otherwise they knew Tiger Williams or Dave Schultz would beat the crap out of them. Go back to the way the game was played back in the 70's and guys like Boulerice would disappear.

Well I don't think you'll find many who want to keep the instigator rule so hopefully the league will get another things right and dump it before long.

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by Jestre

Its the NHL's crackdown on the game that has caused this problem, used to be the players would take care of policing the cheapshot artists by beating them senseless. Cheapshots were much rarer during the rough and tumble 70's and 80's before Bettman pansified the league. The worst cheapshot guys back then were guys like Cashman and Dale Hunter that would just swat at guys legs/ankles with their lumber otherwise they knew Tiger Williams or Dave Schultz would beat the crap out of them. Go back to the way the game was played back in the 70's and guys like Boulerice would disappear.

Funny you should mention Dale Hunter. Of all the people you could've picked, you picked the guy who blindsided Pierre Turgeon and kept him out for a good part of the playoffs? It's not like Hunter was alone in his day - his teammate Louis Sleigher sucker punched and ended a Canadien player's career during the Good Friday game, which saw what, 2-3 brawls?

To claim that cracking down on violence and imposing significant suspensions leads to violence is an odd statement. We're not dealing with mentally ill people here, we're dealing with sane people who are able to control themselves. You know, hockey is a very lenient sport on violence - if a baseball hitter cross-checked a masked catcher with his bat, you can be sure he wouldn't get a 2-3 game suspension. Even basketball and its criminals has less on-field violence than hockey. Yet I don't see them encouraging violence.

If you want to see goon hockey, go watch Slapshot. I'd rather see a sport where the guys who actually know how to play aren't endangered by the Dale Hunters and Louis Sleighers of this world. I'd kick them out for good.

[ukslamjam]

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

If you want to see goon hockey, go watch Slapshot. I'd rather see a sport where the guys who actually know how to play aren't endangered by the Dale Hunters and Louis Sleighers of this world. I'd kick them out for good.

I just want the non-hockey fans out there to see how skillful this great game really is. Alot of people are still blinded by the violence and thats not what hockey is really about.

On a lighter note, Slapshot is a great film by the way! I saw the jerseys for sale in the hockey hall of fame and was very tempted!

[Chappy]

Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

Punish the player for the hit not any injury that results from the hit. Although if we have a Bertuzzi/Moore situation and the injury is severe then throw a whole season at them. But I would like to see stiff penalties for shots to the head if the other player bounces back up again or not.

Secondly this suspension hardly hits the Flyers, in fact it probably helps them as they don't have to keep Boulerice' wage on the cap and they can instead bring up a REAL hockey player in his place. Keep him on the roster through his suspension and fine the team. A couple hundred grand won't dent many pockets among the NHL teams but it does something else to say, "Look, this **** stops now!"

When Brooks Orpik broke Erik Cole's neck, all Orpik got was a 3-game suspension. Although I agree that the crime should be punished regardless of injury, when you do cause a player to miss months of play, I think the offender should miss at least as much time as the victim.