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Ignatius J · 04-10-2002, 06:11 AM

I put together a little 6 team league consisting of all-star teams grouped by 20 year period... I just wanted some thoughts and feedback. Who knows, maybe I missed someone. We'll start with 1900-1919...

1900-1919
Pitchers: C. Mathewson, T.F Brown, W. Johnson, C. Young, G. Alexander, E. Plank, R. Marquard, S.J Wood, C. Mays, J. Chesbro, J. Tannehill, J. McGinnity, D. Phillipe

Catchers: R. Breshnahan, C. Meyers, J. Kling

First/Third/Corner: F. Chance, J. Daubert, H.R Baker, H. Zimmerman, S. McInnis, H. Steinfeldt

Second/Short/Middle: N. LaJoie, H. Wagner, E. Collins, J. Evers

Outfield: T. Cobb, T. Speaker, E. Delahanty, W. Keeler, J. Jackson, S. Crawford, Z. Wheat, J. Burkett.

Thoughts: I think this, along with maybe the 40-50's team is probably the strongest team of the six. The pitching staff is amazing and the outfield of Cobb, Jackson and Speaker would bat a combined .350 in all likelyhood. Lajoie and Wagner are solid up the middle and Eddie Collins is there if they falter. The corners are probably the weak spot with a lack of power.

What do you guys think?

Next Up: 1920-1939

Ignatius J · 04-10-2002, 06:29 AM

1920-1939:

Pitchers: L. Grove, C. Hubbell, D. Dean, D. Vance, U. Shocker, F. Marberry, W. Moore, E. Rixey, R. Ruffing, B. Grimes, W. Hoyt

Catchers: M. Cochrane, G. Hartnett, B. Dickey

First/Third/Corner: L. Gehrig, J. Foxx, P. Traynor, G. Sisler

Second/Short/Middle: R. Hornsby, J. Cronin, C. Gehringer, F. Frisch, A. Vaughn

Outfield: B. Ruth, H. Manush, M. Ott, A. Simmons, P. Waner, H. Heilmann, C. Klein

Thoughts: A rock solid offense, with power and average spread throughout. Who do you play, Gehrig, Sisler or Foxx? Maybe a DH league would help these guys out. Pitching is thin, well, I guess as thin as it could be in a 6 team all-time all-star league. If the pitching holds up, they could do some damage.

Next up, the Negro League team.

Ignatius J · 04-10-2002, 06:39 AM

Negro Leagues:

Pitchers: S. Paige, H. Smith, J. Rogan, R. Foster, S.J Williams, M. dahigo, D. Barnhill, T. Radcliffe, D. Redding, W. Jefferson

Catchers: J. Gibson, B. Ewing, B. Mickey

First/Third/Corner: B. Leonard, M. Irvin, J. Johnson, R. Dandridge

Second/Short/Middle: J. Robinson, P. Lloyd, L. Day, W. Wells, C. Torriente

Outfield: O. Charleston, C.P Bell, L. Doby, T. Stearns, M. Suttles, M. Irvin

Thoughts: This is the best I could piece together from various sites, books, etc. I'm still not totally sure I've done everyone justice here, because the stats are hard to come by. It's a solid team though, with balance and a strong pitching staff.

Next: 1940-1959

Ignatius J · 04-10-2002, 06:54 AM

Ed. Note... I forgot to include Lefty Gomez in the 20-39 team...

1940-1959:

Pitchers: B. Feller, W. Spahn, E. Wynn, H. Newhouser, R. Roberts, W. Ford, B. Lemon, P. Roe, C. Erskine, T. Wilks,

Catchers: R. Campanella, Y. Berra

First/Third/Corner: S. Musial, J. Mize, E. Matthews, A. Rosen, K. Keltner, G. Hodges

Second/Short/Middle: N. Fox, L. Boudreau, B. Doerr, P.W Reese,

Outfield: W. Mays, T. Williams, J. DiMaggio, M. Mantle, D. Snider, R. Ashburn

Thoughts: In a DH league, the outfielders alone could hit a combined .340 with 170 HR's. Throw in Musial, Matthews, Berra and Hodges, and you have a power-packed team. The staff has a lot of firepower led by Feller and Spahn. This team is my pick to win the league.

Ignatius J · 04-10-2002, 07:04 AM

1960-1979:

Pitchers: T. Seaver, S. Koufax, S. Carlton, D. Drysdale, N. Ryan, J. Palmer, B. Gibson, J. Marichal, M. Marshall, T. McGraw, G. Gossage, R. Fingers

Catchers: J. Bench, T. Simmons, C. Fisk

First/Third/Corner: F. Robinson, H. Killebrew, W. McCovey, B. Robinson, R. Santo, R. Carew

Second/Short/Middle: J. Morgan, E. Banks, L. Aparacio, P. Rose

Outfielders: H. Aaron, R. Clemente, R. Jackson, L. Brock, A. Kaline, C. Yastremski

As I got closer and closer to the present, I included more and more people, because more is known about their skills, etc. An outstanding staff top to bottom and excellent defense (Morgan, Aparacio, Clemente, Robinson, Bench)define this team. Can they compete??

Ignatius J · 04-10-2002, 07:13 AM

1980-Present

Pitchers: R. Clemens, G. Maddux, R. Johnson, O. Hershiser, J. Morris, T. Glavine, B. Saberhagen, M. Mussina, J. Franco, D. Eckersley, T. Hoffman, M. Rivera

Catchers: M. Piazza, I. Rodriguez, G. Carter

First/Third/Corner: M. McGwire, E. Murray, G. Brett, M. Schmidt, W. Boggs, J. Giambi, P. Molitor

Second/Short/Middle: R. Alomar, R. Sandberg, C. Ripken, R. Yount, O. Smith, A. Rodriguez, D. Jeter

Outfielders: B. Bonds, K. Griffey Jr., T. Gwynn, K. Puckett, S. Sosa, R. Henderson, A. Dawson

Some say the stars of today would crush the players of yesterday because of the advances in technology, weight training, etc. Others say the game has been diluted by expansion and tarnished. I believe that today's stars would do more than hold their own against any era, and I'd love to see it.

Jestre · 04-10-2002, 07:34 AM

I'd put Ed Walsh and Rube Waddell ahead of several of the 1900-1919 pitchers...

mtw · 04-10-2002, 07:48 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ignatius J:
1980-Present

Pitchers: R. Clemens, G. Maddux, R. Johnson, O. Hershiser, J. Morris, T. Glavine, B. Saberhagen, M. Mussina, J. Franco, D. Eckersley, T. Hoffman, M. Rivera

Catchers: M. Piazza, I. Rodriguez, G. Carter

First/Third/Corner: M. McGwire, E. Murray, G. Brett, M. Schmidt, W. Boggs, J. Giambi, P. Molitor

Second/Short/Middle: R. Alomar, R. Sandberg, C. Ripken, R. Yount, O. Smith, A. Rodriguez, D. Jeter

Outfielders: B. Bonds, K. Griffey Jr., T. Gwynn, K. Puckett, S. Sosa, R. Henderson, A. Dawson
<hr /></blockquote>Assuming this is an All-Time

SP: Pedro for Hershiser (even in shorter career, Pedros career is MUCH better than Hershiser's was)

RP: Goose for Hoffman, Lee Smith for Rivera (2 guys peformed well for a much longer time)

1B: Bagwell for Giambi (Bagwell has been the best offensive player in the game the last 10 years, save for Bonds and maybe Jr.), look at Frank Thomas, Edgar Martinez for Molitor (and maybe even Murray)

2B/SS: Biggio/Larkin for Jeter

OF: Winfield and maybe Raines ahead of Dawson

mtw · 04-10-2002, 07:59 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ignatius J:
1920-1939:

Outfield: B. Ruth, H. Manush, M. Ott, A. Simmons, P. Waner, H. Heilmann, C. Klein
<hr /></blockquote>Though he played mainly 1B, scrap Klein for Greenberg.

Ignatius J · 04-10-2002, 08:01 AM

I'll concede Pedro for Orel, I don't know how I left him out...

Rivera (save for game 7) is one of the most dominant big-game pitchers ever. Goose is on the 70's team. I'll switch Hoffman for Smith.

I will also do the giambi for bagwell switch... but Molitor is the glue for this team. No one can touch his baserunning, average, and overall game smarts.

Dawson for Winfield makes sense... Winfield beats him in every category but SB's.

Thanks for the feedback!

Ignatius J · 04-10-2002, 08:04 AM

Also, Waddell for Tannehill on the 1900-19 team..

Keep em' comin'!

mtw · 04-10-2002, 08:05 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ignatius J:

Outfield: W. Mays, T. Williams, J. DiMaggio, M. Mantle, D. Snider, R. Ashburn

Thoughts: In a DH league, the outfielders alone could hit a combined .340 with 170 HR's.<hr /></blockquote>Though he was a stiff in LF, Kiner in front of Snider or Ashburn, especially if you use a DH.

mtw · 04-10-2002, 08:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ignatius J:

1900-1919
First/Third/Corner: F. Chance, J. Daubert, H.R Baker, H. Zimmerman, S. McInnis, H. Steinfeldt
<hr /></blockquote>Heinie Groh for Steinfeldt

04-10-2002, 06:11 AM	#1
Ignatius J Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 76	Baseball's Best I put together a little 6 team league consisting of all-star teams grouped by 20 year period... I just wanted some thoughts and feedback. Who knows, maybe I missed someone. We'll start with 1900-1919... 1900-1919 Pitchers: C. Mathewson, T.F Brown, W. Johnson, C. Young, G. Alexander, E. Plank, R. Marquard, S.J Wood, C. Mays, J. Chesbro, J. Tannehill, J. McGinnity, D. Phillipe Catchers: R. Breshnahan, C. Meyers, J. Kling First/Third/Corner: F. Chance, J. Daubert, H.R Baker, H. Zimmerman, S. McInnis, H. Steinfeldt Second/Short/Middle: N. LaJoie, H. Wagner, E. Collins, J. Evers Outfield: T. Cobb, T. Speaker, E. Delahanty, W. Keeler, J. Jackson, S. Crawford, Z. Wheat, J. Burkett. Thoughts: I think this, along with maybe the 40-50's team is probably the strongest team of the six. The pitching staff is amazing and the outfield of Cobb, Jackson and Speaker would bat a combined .350 in all likelyhood. Lajoie and Wagner are solid up the middle and Eddie Collins is there if they falter. The corners are probably the weak spot with a lack of power. What do you guys think? Next Up: 1920-1939

04-10-2002, 07:34 AM	#7
Jestre All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North Smithfield,Ri,USA Posts: 612	I'd put Ed Walsh and Rube Waddell ahead of several of the 1900-1919 pitchers... __________________ My eyes perceive the present, but my roots are imbedded deeply in the grandeur of the past. "Chief Meyers"

04-10-2002, 07:48 AM	#8
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Ignatius J: <strong>1980-Present Pitchers: R. Clemens, G. Maddux, R. Johnson, O. Hershiser, J. Morris, T. Glavine, B. Saberhagen, M. Mussina, J. Franco, D. Eckersley, T. Hoffman, M. Rivera Catchers: M. Piazza, I. Rodriguez, G. Carter First/Third/Corner: M. McGwire, E. Murray, G. Brett, M. Schmidt, W. Boggs, J. Giambi, P. Molitor Second/Short/Middle: R. Alomar, R. Sandberg, C. Ripken, R. Yount, O. Smith, A. Rodriguez, D. Jeter Outfielders: B. Bonds, K. Griffey Jr., T. Gwynn, K. Puckett, S. Sosa, R. Henderson, A. Dawson </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Assuming this is an All-Time SP: Pedro for Hershiser (even in shorter career, Pedros career is MUCH better than Hershiser's was) RP: Goose for Hoffman, Lee Smith for Rivera (2 guys peformed well for a much longer time) 1B: Bagwell for Giambi (Bagwell has been the best offensive player in the game the last 10 years, save for Bonds and maybe Jr.), look at Frank Thomas, Edgar Martinez for Molitor (and maybe even Murray) 2B/SS: Biggio/Larkin for Jeter OF: Winfield and maybe Raines ahead of Dawson __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist

04-10-2002, 07:59 AM	#9
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Ignatius J: <strong>1920-1939: Outfield: B. Ruth, H. Manush, M. Ott, A. Simmons, P. Waner, H. Heilmann, C. Klein </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Though he played mainly 1B, scrap Klein for Greenberg. __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist

04-10-2002, 08:05 AM	#12
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Ignatius J: <strong> Outfield: W. Mays, T. Williams, J. DiMaggio, M. Mantle, D. Snider, R. Ashburn Thoughts: In a DH league, the outfielders alone could hit a combined .340 with 170 HR's.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Though he was a stiff in LF, Kiner in front of Snider or Ashburn, especially if you use a DH. __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist

04-10-2002, 06:29 AM	#2
Ignatius J Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 76	1920-1939: Pitchers: L. Grove, C. Hubbell, D. Dean, D. Vance, U. Shocker, F. Marberry, W. Moore, E. Rixey, R. Ruffing, B. Grimes, W. Hoyt Catchers: M. Cochrane, G. Hartnett, B. Dickey First/Third/Corner: L. Gehrig, J. Foxx, P. Traynor, G. Sisler Second/Short/Middle: R. Hornsby, J. Cronin, C. Gehringer, F. Frisch, A. Vaughn Outfield: B. Ruth, H. Manush, M. Ott, A. Simmons, P. Waner, H. Heilmann, C. Klein Thoughts: A rock solid offense, with power and average spread throughout. Who do you play, Gehrig, Sisler or Foxx? Maybe a DH league would help these guys out. Pitching is thin, well, I guess as thin as it could be in a 6 team all-time all-star league. If the pitching holds up, they could do some damage. Next up, the Negro League team.

04-10-2002, 06:39 AM	#3
Ignatius J Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 76	Negro Leagues: Pitchers: S. Paige, H. Smith, J. Rogan, R. Foster, S.J Williams, M. dahigo, D. Barnhill, T. Radcliffe, D. Redding, W. Jefferson Catchers: J. Gibson, B. Ewing, B. Mickey First/Third/Corner: B. Leonard, M. Irvin, J. Johnson, R. Dandridge Second/Short/Middle: J. Robinson, P. Lloyd, L. Day, W. Wells, C. Torriente Outfield: O. Charleston, C.P Bell, L. Doby, T. Stearns, M. Suttles, M. Irvin Thoughts: This is the best I could piece together from various sites, books, etc. I'm still not totally sure I've done everyone justice here, because the stats are hard to come by. It's a solid team though, with balance and a strong pitching staff. Next: 1940-1959

04-10-2002, 06:54 AM	#4
Ignatius J Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 76	Ed. Note... I forgot to include Lefty Gomez in the 20-39 team... 1940-1959: Pitchers: B. Feller, W. Spahn, E. Wynn, H. Newhouser, R. Roberts, W. Ford, B. Lemon, P. Roe, C. Erskine, T. Wilks, Catchers: R. Campanella, Y. Berra First/Third/Corner: S. Musial, J. Mize, E. Matthews, A. Rosen, K. Keltner, G. Hodges Second/Short/Middle: N. Fox, L. Boudreau, B. Doerr, P.W Reese, Outfield: W. Mays, T. Williams, J. DiMaggio, M. Mantle, D. Snider, R. Ashburn Thoughts: In a DH league, the outfielders alone could hit a combined .340 with 170 HR's. Throw in Musial, Matthews, Berra and Hodges, and you have a power-packed team. The staff has a lot of firepower led by Feller and Spahn. This team is my pick to win the league.

04-10-2002, 07:04 AM	#5
Ignatius J Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 76	1960-1979: Pitchers: T. Seaver, S. Koufax, S. Carlton, D. Drysdale, N. Ryan, J. Palmer, B. Gibson, J. Marichal, M. Marshall, T. McGraw, G. Gossage, R. Fingers Catchers: J. Bench, T. Simmons, C. Fisk First/Third/Corner: F. Robinson, H. Killebrew, W. McCovey, B. Robinson, R. Santo, R. Carew Second/Short/Middle: J. Morgan, E. Banks, L. Aparacio, P. Rose Outfielders: H. Aaron, R. Clemente, R. Jackson, L. Brock, A. Kaline, C. Yastremski As I got closer and closer to the present, I included more and more people, because more is known about their skills, etc. An outstanding staff top to bottom and excellent defense (Morgan, Aparacio, Clemente, Robinson, Bench)define this team. Can they compete??

04-10-2002, 07:13 AM	#6
Ignatius J Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 76	1980-Present Pitchers: R. Clemens, G. Maddux, R. Johnson, O. Hershiser, J. Morris, T. Glavine, B. Saberhagen, M. Mussina, J. Franco, D. Eckersley, T. Hoffman, M. Rivera Catchers: M. Piazza, I. Rodriguez, G. Carter First/Third/Corner: M. McGwire, E. Murray, G. Brett, M. Schmidt, W. Boggs, J. Giambi, P. Molitor Second/Short/Middle: R. Alomar, R. Sandberg, C. Ripken, R. Yount, O. Smith, A. Rodriguez, D. Jeter Outfielders: B. Bonds, K. Griffey Jr., T. Gwynn, K. Puckett, S. Sosa, R. Henderson, A. Dawson Some say the stars of today would crush the players of yesterday because of the advances in technology, weight training, etc. Others say the game has been diluted by expansion and tarnished. I believe that today's stars would do more than hold their own against any era, and I'd love to see it.

04-10-2002, 08:01 AM	#10
Ignatius J Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 76	I'll concede Pedro for Orel, I don't know how I left him out... Rivera (save for game 7) is one of the most dominant big-game pitchers ever. Goose is on the 70's team. I'll switch Hoffman for Smith. I will also do the giambi for bagwell switch... but Molitor is the glue for this team. No one can touch his baserunning, average, and overall game smarts. Dawson for Winfield makes sense... Winfield beats him in every category but SB's. Thanks for the feedback!

04-10-2002, 08:04 AM	#11
Ignatius J Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 76	Also, Waddell for Tannehill on the 1900-19 team.. Keep em' comin'!

04-10-2002, 08:17 AM	#13
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Ignatius J: <strong> 1900-1919 First/Third/Corner: F. Chance, J. Daubert, H.R Baker, H. Zimmerman, S. McInnis, H. Steinfeldt </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Heinie Groh for Steinfeldt __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist