Time Warp HOF Ballot 1976 - Page 2

jeheinz72 · 09-24-2007, 04:31 PM

Wow, 11/13 for Ward in the early goings...

jdw · 09-24-2007, 05:33 PM

If the six people who voted last year and haven't voted so far repeat their voters, none of the players on held over from last year's ballot would get in. Ward would be a vote short, Liao two votes short, Makris 3 votes short, and Luther 4 votes short. None of the rest would have a chance - Stell had two of the voters left, and even turning the other four would leave him short.

3/1-of-3 Ward

Meaning - Ward had 3 of the voters last time around, and would need to turn just 1-of-3 among the people who didn't vote for him. Tom probably needs to lobby Cards Frank. Chowbeng is the most "Small Hall" of voters since me back in the old days. Medicore guys like Pops McAuliffe and Harry Finley getting in caused me to lower my standards drastically.

I also don't think Rudel will vote for Ward based on the discussion in the thread last year - I don't think he was swayed, but I could be reading that wrong.

4/2-of-2 Liao

Liao could get Badluck's vote this time around. Hard to tell. But he won't get the other - Chris was pretty clear on what he thought of Liao, and not likely to change that. Liao is likely going to need Chris to miss the vote. :P

2/3-of-4 Makris

I don't anticipate Hank getting Chowbeng's vote. That would leave Badluck, Rudel and Cards Frank to swing. Not impossible... Rudel is likely the key there.

2/4-of-4 Luther

Not going to happen. Would need:

(a) Chowbeng & Chris to miss the vote + Badluck & Cards Frank voting for him

(b) Chowbeng & Chirs & Badluck/Frank miss the vote + Badluck/Frank voting for him

Or Chowbeng could surprise me and flip his vote, which changes the math.

Of the new players, BDLG would need to get on all six ballots.

That's the math. Someone could come out of the woodworks to change things up.

John

rudel.dietrich · 09-24-2007, 07:36 PM

Ormiston
Johnson
Woodworth
Joyce
Liao Jr
Arbour
Thomas

Stell
Makris
De La Garza

rudel.dietrich · 09-24-2007, 07:38 PM

Only played I wish I had room for is Taylor
But I felt him borderline enough to squeeze him off the ballot

Maybe some space on my ballot will be freed up

knightni · 09-25-2007, 03:25 PM

Dennis Ward 11
Alan Liao Jr. 10
Hank Makris 10
Luther Ormiston 10
Brad De la Garza 9
Henry Thomas 8
Corky Stell 8
Roger Joyce 7
Wilford Woodworth 6
Lex Tjeenk-Wilink 6
Ben Cook 4
Grumpy Noel 3
Cal Granger 3
Lulu Arbour 3
Boris Zimyanin 2
Bobby Johnson 2
Bud Ulrich 1
Bud Ayers 1

fvamos · 09-25-2007, 03:39 PM

Liao Jr.
Ward
Thomas
Tjeenk-Willink
Granger

canadiancreed · 09-25-2007, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Liao is likely going to need Chris to miss the vote. :P

Looks like I"m going to break his heart

Ayers
Noel
Joyce
Ward
Thomas
Ulrich
Lex Tjeenk-Willink
Makris
GRanger
Garza

knightni · 09-25-2007, 06:28 PM

Dennis Ward 13
Alan Liao Jr. 11
Hank Makris 11
Luther Ormiston 10
Brad De la Garza 10
Henry Thomas 10
Corky Stell 8
Roger Joyce 8
Lex Tjeenk-Wilink 8
Wilford Woodworth 6
Cal Granger 5
Ben Cook 4
Grumpy Noel 4
Lulu Arbour 3
Boris Zimyanin 2
Bobby Johnson 2
Bud Ulrich 2
Bud Ayers 2

jdw · 09-26-2007, 01:10 PM

Your count is off. You're missing a vote each from Brad De la Garza, Hank Makris, Corky Stell and Bobby Johnson. I would guess you tallied Rudel's ballot wrong since he's the one one who voted for all three.

John

Vris · 09-26-2007, 08:40 PM

Ormiston
Liao, Jr
Ward
Stell
Tjeenk-Willink
Makris
De La Garza

BadluckinOOTP · 09-26-2007, 10:12 PM

Cook
Noel
Joyce
De La Garza
Ward

jdw · 09-27-2007, 01:20 PM

One player elected to the Hall of Fame with 18 ballots counted:

Code:


Dennis Ward           83.3%

Brad De la Garza      72.2%
Hank Makris           72.2%
Alan Liao Jr.         66.7%
Luther Ormiston       61.1%
Corky Stell           55.6%
Henry Thomas          55.6%
Lex Tjeenk-Willink    50.0%
Roger Joyce           50.0%
Wilford Woodworth     33.3%
Ben Cook              27.8%
Abraham Noel          27.8%
Cal Granger           27.8%
Lucien Arbour         16.7%
Bobby Johnson         16.7%
Bud Ayers             11.1%
Boris Zimyanin        11.1%
Bud Ulrich            11.1%

Chris Delp             0.0%
Sam O'Hara             0.0%
Earl Taylor            0.0%

The following players did not receive 5% of the vote and fell off the ballot. The year they become eligible for the VC is listed in parenthesis:

Chris Delp (1990)
Sam O'Hara (1990)
Earl Taylor (1991)

Added to the ballot next year:

Jack Caufield
Morgan Cuellar
Lukas Dietrich
Jerome Fellows
Wesley McGee
Shigeo Oh
Brock Putnam
Alan Roloff
Ellie Vancini

John

canadiancreed · 09-28-2007, 03:34 AM

Just to let you know the link for 1959 isn't correct

chowbeng · 10-02-2007, 08:24 AM

Ahh....I am late

09-24-2007, 04:31 PM	#21
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,164	Wow, 11/13 for Ward in the early goings... __________________ Join The Dugout!

09-25-2007, 03:25 PM	#25
knightni Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	Dennis Ward 11 Alan Liao Jr. 10 Hank Makris 10 Luther Ormiston 10 Brad De la Garza 9 Henry Thomas 8 Corky Stell 8 Roger Joyce 7 Wilford Woodworth 6 Lex Tjeenk-Wilink 6 Ben Cook 4 Grumpy Noel 3 Cal Granger 3 Lulu Arbour 3 Boris Zimyanin 2 Bobby Johnson 2 Bud Ulrich 1 Bud Ayers 1 __________________ DPBL 2013, 2019 WS Champs Cincinnati Reds Time Warp 1971 WS Champs Oakland A's

09-25-2007, 06:28 PM	#28
knightni Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	Dennis Ward 13 Alan Liao Jr. 11 Hank Makris 11 Luther Ormiston 10 Brad De la Garza 10 Henry Thomas 10 Corky Stell 8 Roger Joyce 8 Lex Tjeenk-Wilink 8 Wilford Woodworth 6 Cal Granger 5 Ben Cook 4 Grumpy Noel 4 Lulu Arbour 3 Boris Zimyanin 2 Bobby Johnson 2 Bud Ulrich 2 Bud Ayers 2 __________________ DPBL 2013, 2019 WS Champs Cincinnati Reds Time Warp 1971 WS Champs Oakland A's

09-26-2007, 08:40 PM	#30
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	Ormiston Liao, Jr Ward Stell Tjeenk-Willink Makris De La Garza __________________ None Blog it.

09-26-2007, 10:12 PM	#31
BadluckinOOTP All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: OKC Posts: 1,534	Cook Noel Joyce De La Garza Ward __________________

09-24-2007, 05:33 PM	#22
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	If the six people who voted last year and haven't voted so far repeat their voters, none of the players on held over from last year's ballot would get in. Ward would be a vote short, Liao two votes short, Makris 3 votes short, and Luther 4 votes short. None of the rest would have a chance - Stell had two of the voters left, and even turning the other four would leave him short. 3/1-of-3 Ward Meaning - Ward had 3 of the voters last time around, and would need to turn just 1-of-3 among the people who didn't vote for him. Tom probably needs to lobby Cards Frank. Chowbeng is the most "Small Hall" of voters since me back in the old days. Medicore guys like Pops McAuliffe and Harry Finley getting in caused me to lower my standards drastically. I also don't think Rudel will vote for Ward based on the discussion in the thread last year - I don't think he was swayed, but I could be reading that wrong. 4/2-of-2 Liao Liao could get Badluck's vote this time around. Hard to tell. But he won't get the other - Chris was pretty clear on what he thought of Liao, and not likely to change that. Liao is likely going to need Chris to miss the vote. :P 2/3-of-4 Makris I don't anticipate Hank getting Chowbeng's vote. That would leave Badluck, Rudel and Cards Frank to swing. Not impossible... Rudel is likely the key there. 2/4-of-4 Luther Not going to happen. Would need: (a) Chowbeng & Chris to miss the vote + Badluck & Cards Frank voting for him (b) Chowbeng & Chirs & Badluck/Frank miss the vote + Badluck/Frank voting for him Or Chowbeng could surprise me and flip his vote, which changes the math. Of the new players, BDLG would need to get on all six ballots. That's the math. Someone could come out of the woodworks to change things up. John

09-24-2007, 07:36 PM	#23
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Ormiston Johnson Woodworth Joyce Liao Jr Arbour Thomas Stell Makris De La Garza

09-24-2007, 07:38 PM	#24
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Only played I wish I had room for is Taylor But I felt him borderline enough to squeeze him off the ballot Maybe some space on my ballot will be freed up

09-25-2007, 03:39 PM	#26
fvamos Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 75	Liao Jr. Ward Thomas Tjeenk-Willink Granger

09-26-2007, 01:10 PM	#29
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Your count is off. You're missing a vote each from Brad De la Garza, Hank Makris, Corky Stell and Bobby Johnson. I would guess you tallied Rudel's ballot wrong since he's the one one who voted for all three. John

09-27-2007, 01:20 PM	#32
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	One player elected to the Hall of Fame with 18 ballots counted: Code: Dennis Ward 83.3% Brad De la Garza 72.2% Hank Makris 72.2% Alan Liao Jr. 66.7% Luther Ormiston 61.1% Corky Stell 55.6% Henry Thomas 55.6% Lex Tjeenk-Willink 50.0% Roger Joyce 50.0% Wilford Woodworth 33.3% Ben Cook 27.8% Abraham Noel 27.8% Cal Granger 27.8% Lucien Arbour 16.7% Bobby Johnson 16.7% Bud Ayers 11.1% Boris Zimyanin 11.1% Bud Ulrich 11.1% Chris Delp 0.0% Sam O'Hara 0.0% Earl Taylor 0.0% The following players did not receive 5% of the vote and fell off the ballot. The year they become eligible for the VC is listed in parenthesis: Chris Delp (1990) Sam O'Hara (1990) Earl Taylor (1991) Added to the ballot next year: Jack Caufield Morgan Cuellar Lukas Dietrich Jerome Fellows Wesley McGee Shigeo Oh Brock Putnam Alan Roloff Ellie Vancini John

09-28-2007, 03:34 AM	#33
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Just to let you know the link for 1959 isn't correct

10-02-2007, 08:24 AM	#34
chowbeng Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 42	Ahh....I am late