Randy Moss - Page 2

marc · 09-10-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

You can say Moss did get punished for not trying though, considering the significant pay cut in his new deal with the Patriots. From his perspective, it's more or less fair. Now maybe Raiders can ask Patriots for some money then it'd be all good........

Fair point.

Long_Long_Name · 09-13-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

I was ridiculed for calling Moss one of the top 5 receivers in football a year ago

Link?

Jonzard · 09-13-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

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Tribe Fan 24 · 09-13-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

It's not like the Raiders didn't know what they were getting when they traded for him.

I agree with everything in this post.

Chief Wahoo · 09-13-2007, 04:50 PM

So should I start Dante Stallworth this week on my fantasy team since the Chargers will be doubling Moss more?

Jonzard · 09-23-2007, 04:54 PM

Another big game for the washed up Randy Moss

403 Yards and 5 TDs through 3 games

EscapeF4 · 09-23-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

Another big game for the washed up Randy Moss

403 Yards and 5 TDs through 3 games

Damn...he sucks!

Prodigal Son · 09-23-2007, 06:24 PM

Looks like Brady is yet another QB who is going to gain 20 points of QB rating from having the most dominant WR in history around.

The Funk · 09-23-2007, 07:52 PM

It won't be quite that much of a gain. Maybe 15 or 16.

Erich Ingram · 09-23-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

Looks like Brady is yet another QB who is going to gain 20 points of QB rating from having the most dominant WR in history around.

Not sure if I would call Moss the most dominant reciever in history. I still think that would belong to Mr. Rice. Don't get me wrong, Moss has been outstanding this year and many years in the past, but I don't think he is ready to be considered better than someone that has been called the greatest player in the history of the game by many.

Prodigal Son · 09-23-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Erich Ingram

Not sure if I would call Moss the most dominant reciever in history. I still think that would belong to Mr. Rice. Don't get me wrong, Moss has been outstanding this year and many years in the past, but I don't think he is ready to be considered better than someone that has been called the greatest player in the history of the game by many.

I think Rice was a better receiver all-around. He was very durable and was very valuable for a number of years. Moss hasn't been nearly as durable, and he has a long ways to go to catch Rice in terms of career value.

But a healthy Moss in his prime is more of a weapon than Rice was in his prime, IMO. And I was an absolutely huge Niners fan in that Craig/Rathman/Rice/Talor/Montana/Jones era, so it hurts me to say that.

Jonzard · 09-23-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

the most dominant WR in history

Agreed

Erich Ingram · 09-23-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

I think Rice was a better receiver all-around. He was very durable and was very valuable for a number of years. Moss hasn't been nearly as durable, and he has a long ways to go to catch Rice in terms of career value.

But a healthy Moss in his prime is more of a weapon than Rice was in his prime, IMO. And I was an absolutely huge Niners fan in that Craig/Rathman/Rice/Talor/Montana/Jones era, so it hurts me to say that.

I guess my response to that would be to say let's look at that first 10 years of Rice's career vs that of Randy Moss and this is before Rice had quite possibly his best year and one of the most amazing years ever in 1995.

Rice 820-13275-131
Moss 698-11103-106

Now Moss still has 13 games left in this year to add to thos numbers but as good as he is and as good as the Patriots are I still don't think he is going to add another 122 catches for 2172 yards and 25 tds in the next 13 games. When Moss puts up an 1800 yard season or a 22 td season (in 12 games mind you) then I will be more believing of his dominance. I just wonder as well how much further out JR's numbers would have been had Warren Sapp not ruined his knee in 1997 on that cheap play tackle.

Moss is an incredible talent and it is unfortunate that he took many plays off in his career so far as that tarnishes his ability in my eyes and many others. And I am sure people are going to say oh numbers are deceiving and all that but it isn't like there are any intangibles that Moss has over Rice, Rice was a great downfield blocker, ran the ball well adding tds there and even threw for tds as well. So I guess I just don't see it. But that is the great thing about sports everyone is entitled to their opinion on players.

Prodigal Son · 09-23-2007, 09:53 PM

Rice had Montana and Young throwing to him.

Moss had Culpepper, Brad Johnson, Gus Frerotte, Andrew Walter and probably some other bad QB's that I'm forgetting.

Their stats don't say a whole lot other than that they are remarkably similar.

MorseMoose · 09-23-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

Rice had Montana and Young throwing to him.

Moss had Culpepper, Brad Johnson, Gus Frerotte, Andrew Walter and probably some other bad QB's that I'm forgetting.

Their stats don't say a whole lot other than that they are remarkably similar.

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Moss is also a good blocker when he needs to be. Saw it many times when he was with the Vikings.

OldFatGuy · 09-23-2007, 10:07 PM

Yeah, Moss is one hellova WR. It gets lost sometimes because he's also one hellova dick.

Prodigal Son · 09-23-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

he's

Note that this is also an appropriate contraction of "he has."

marioh · 09-23-2007, 10:30 PM

I am very happy that I had Brady drafted to my fantasy team. Brady is already putting up impressive fantasy numbers, thanks to Randy.

Erich Ingram · 09-24-2007, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

Rice had Montana and Young throwing to him.

Moss had Culpepper, Brad Johnson, Gus Frerotte, Andrew Walter and probably some other bad QB's that I'm forgetting.

Their stats don't say a whole lot other than that they are remarkably similar.

Now there is still a lot of season left for Moss and he will make those numbers closer but as of right now those numbers aren't that similar.

Rice is up by 18% in catches, 20% in yards and 23% in touchdowns. I do expect it to end up being about 8%, 9% and 10% when the season is done but even that isn't that similar. Yes Rice had Hall of Famers throwing to him, but he was still the player that had to get open, catch the ball and run with it afterward.

MorseMoose · 09-24-2007, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Erich Ingram

Now there is still a lot of season left for Moss and he will make those numbers closer but as of right now those numbers aren't that similar.

Rice is up by 18% in catches, 20% in yards and 23% in touchdowns. I do expect it to end up being about 8%, 9% and 10% when the season is done but even that isn't that similar. Yes Rice had Hall of Famers throwing to him, but he was still the player that had to get open, catch the ball and run with it afterward.

Its like arguing Babe Ruth vs. Hank Aaron vs. Barry Bonds. Barry and Aaron are better because they didn't have to play against African Americans. Ruth and Aaron are better because the mound was higher. Ruth and Aaron are better because technology hadn't advanced. Aaron and Bonds are better because they hit more home runs. Bonds is better because he done more than just hit lots of HRs. Ruth is better because he also pitched. Aaron is better because he didn't need steroids to pass Ruth.

I'd say that 8% catches, 9% yards and 10% TDs would probably easily made up had Moss had a HOFer throwing to him. But we'll never know.

09-13-2007, 04:50 PM	#25
Chief Wahoo Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Moro, IL Posts: 346	So should I start Dante Stallworth this week on my fantasy team since the Chargers will be doubling Moss more? __________________ Chief Wahoo

09-23-2007, 04:54 PM	#26
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	Another big game for the washed up Randy Moss 403 Yards and 5 TDs through 3 games __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

09-23-2007, 07:52 PM	#29
The Funk All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Watford Posts: 903	It won't be quite that much of a gain. Maybe 15 or 16. __________________ Talkin' 'bout the issues but keepin' it funky!

09-23-2007, 06:24 PM	#28
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	Looks like Brady is yet another QB who is going to gain 20 points of QB rating from having the most dominant WR in history around.

09-23-2007, 09:53 PM	#34
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	Rice had Montana and Young throwing to him. Moss had Culpepper, Brad Johnson, Gus Frerotte, Andrew Walter and probably some other bad QB's that I'm forgetting. Their stats don't say a whole lot other than that they are remarkably similar.

09-23-2007, 10:07 PM	#36
OldFatGuy All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern Va., Loudoun County Posts: 1,900	Yeah, Moss is one hellova WR. It gets lost sometimes because he's also one hellova dick.

09-23-2007, 10:30 PM	#38
marioh All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 1,162	I am very happy that I had Brady drafted to my fantasy team. Brady is already putting up impressive fantasy numbers, thanks to Randy.