B.a.T.T.Y. - Page 29

legendsport · 09-12-2007, 09:46 AM

I think we may have found our 'Sultan of Swat' - St. Louis Brown outfielder Max West has, in just 93 games, already posted 40 homers. He's now hit 40+ in all four years of his career and at just 24 years of age, is already third on the career home run list.

Heinie Zimmerman is first with 230 career bombs. Second is Danny Green with 172. Third is West, with 167. Zimmerman is 33, Green is 35 (and on his way out) and West is 24. His stat line thus far this year:

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Batting		 G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB  K  AVG  OBP  SLG   OPS TAVG   ISO 
Overall		 93  345 117 23  7 41 112  87 48 21 .339 .414 .803 1.217 1.423 .464 
Projected	 151 559 190 37 11 66 182 141 78 34 .339 .414 .803 1.217 1.423 .464

West already holds the single-season HR record with 45 in 1926. He's obviously on pace to shatter that mark. Can he get to 60? We'll soon find out - tomorrow's sim will provide the answer.

Check out Max's player page on the BaTTY site.

jeheinz72 · 09-13-2007, 02:35 PM

Crazy season by West. Between West, Mantle and my Wilson and Terry, it's a fun age for crazy stats...

cec2 · 09-13-2007, 03:09 PM

Never realized Sportsman's Park was such a home run haven. The Browns' version has a HR rating of 240 (the Cardinals' version only in the 130's). That helps explain why West hit 42 HR's at home (and a respectable 17 on the road)

scprideandms · 09-13-2007, 07:02 PM

and the lowly Braves had a HR factor in the 20's recently......might be 50 now

cec2 · 09-14-2007, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scprideandms

and the lowly Braves had a HR factor in the 20's recently......might be 50 now

Braves are still at 20... We're not far behind with a 30 HR factor in Washington.

jeheinz72 · 09-14-2007, 11:58 AM

Another near miss for us. I wonder how many real life HOF'ers I can amass and still NEVER WIN A FRIGGIN PENNANT

legendsport · 09-14-2007, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cec2

Braves are still at 20... We're not far behind with a 30 HR factor in Washington.

Actually, the factors on the site aren't correct. They've been updated for the 1929 season - the Braves, like most teams went up (I believe they're now around 50), while some of the extreme high (like the Browns) have come back closer to the pack. This is due to teams in the late 20s beginning to tailor their parks (and their game strategies) towards the long ball.

legendsport · 09-17-2007, 10:57 AM

A trio of top-flight pitchers headline this year's batch of incoming freshman, along with a few franchise-type position players. From this crop, there are possibly three of four future Hall-of-Famers. All-in-all not a bad draft class...

Round 1:

New York (N) pick: P Greg Maddux
Cleveland pick: SS Barry Larkin
Detroit pick: RF Sam Thompson
Brooklyn pick: P Rube Waddell
Boston (N) pick: P Donne Wall
Cincinnati pick: 1B Del Bissonette
New York (A) pick: P Gaylord Perry
Chicago (A) pick: P Jesse Flores
St. Louis (A) pick: LF Dwight Smith
Chicago (N) pick: CF Barney McCosky
Philadelphia (A) pick: LF Brad Wilkerson
Boston (A) pick: C Johnny Romano
Pittsburgh pick: LF Brett Butler
Philadelphia (N) pick: LF Bernard Gilkey
St. Louis (N) pick: 3B Randy Jackson
Washington pick: CF Buster Adams

Round 2 :

New York (N) pick: RF Joe Lefebvre
Cleveland pick: SS Wil Cordero
Detroit pick: C Bob Tillman
Brooklyn pick: RF George Case
Boston (N) pick: 2B Julian Javier
Cincinnati pick: RF Ron Jones
New York (A) pick: CF Marvell Wynne
Chicago (A) pick: CF Dino Restelli
St. Louis (A) pick: C Jerry Grote
Chicago (N) pick: CF John Dobbs
Philadelphia (A) pick: C Buddy Rosar
Boston (A) pick: SS Chris Gomez
Pittsburgh pick: 1B Jeff Liefer
Philadelphia (N) pick: LF Tommie Reynolds
St. Louis (N) pick: P Paul Shuey
Washington pick: CF Tom Oliver

Round 3 :

New York (N) pick: 1B Eddie Onslow
Cleveland pick: SS Jack Wallaesa
Detroit pick: LF Rufino Linares
Brooklyn pick: 3B Bill Kuehne
Boston (N) pick: P Frank Killen
Cincinnati pick: 3B Rocky Bridges
New York (A) pick: CF Liz Funk
Chicago (A) pick: CF Doug Dascenzo
St. Louis (A) pick: P Joe Black
Chicago (N) pick: P Eddie Rommel
Philadelphia (A) pick: CF Bob Usher
Boston (A) pick: 2B Heinie Scheer
Pittsburgh pick: P Bruce Berenyi
Philadelphia (N) pick: C Gary Allenson
St. Louis (N) pick: 3B Joe Burns
Washington pick: RF Johnny Welaj

Round 4 :

New York (N) pick: P John Fox
Cleveland pick: P Bob Wickman
Detroit pick: P Don Lee
Brooklyn pick: P Roger Mason
Boston (N) pick: P Roy Face
Cincinnati pick: P Allan Russell
New York (A) pick: P Danny Frisella
Chicago (A) pick: P Trever Miller
St. Louis (A) pick: P Doc Scanlan
Chicago (N) pick: P Dickie Kerr
Philadelphia (A) pick: P Mike Paul
Boston (A) pick: P Joe Ostrowski
Pittsburgh pick: P Steve Stone
Philadelphia (N) pick: P Masato Yoshii
St. Louis (N) pick: P Mike Golden
Washington pick: P John Henry Johnson

JasonBonham · 09-20-2007, 06:07 AM

Just some milestones comming up...

Robin Yount ... 3000 hits ( needs 76 more ) , 1500 runs ( needs 18 more )

Lou Brock ... 700 SB ( needs 6 more ) will he stick around long enought to catch Sax's 957?

Eckersley .... 2500 K's ( needs 9 more ) looks like he is running out of gas Wont make it into top 10.

Tom Hall ( who? ) 100 saves ( needs 2 more ) only 23 away from being all time save leader.

Interesting all time HR Race...

#	Career HRs	HR
1	H. Zimmerman*	251
2	M. West*	202
3	D. Green	172
4	H. Wilson*	169
5	M. Mantle*	167
6	M. Williams*	166
7	J. Clements*	159
7	H. Stovey	159
9	F. Dunlap*	155
10	B. Bonds	153

Wilson and Mantle are 29 plenty of years left, West is only 25

AirForceOne · 09-20-2007, 06:53 AM

Another milestone is the Yankees still will not make the playoffs either.........lol

Nuk · 09-20-2007, 12:22 PM

Another milestone reached this year is a new all-time hit leader. Jack Clements - 1st round pick in 1909 - is playing his last season this year - and will go out at the top of his game at 39. Not bad for a catcher.
Jack Clements Stats

He will finish his career ranked 1st in hits, 7th in HR, 1st in RBIs, 1st in doubles, 15th in walks and 1st in runs. Oh, and he also had 3 career stolen bases.

Career Batting Stats

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Year	G	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	R	BB	HP	SF	K	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	Teams	
1910	131	513	158	36	4	6	100	74	37	0	2	29	0	0	.308	.353	.429	.782	CHN	
1911	135	513	161	29	8	9	94	81	47	2	2	36	0	0	.314	.372	.454	.827	CHN	
1912	130	503	155	43	4	3	63	75	41	1	3	35	0	0	.308	.359	.427	.787	CHN	
1913	135	496	170	41	4	8	102	87	64	3	10	36	0	0	.343	.414	.490	.904	CHN	
1914	122	469	154	43	3	6	93	77	45	0	7	37	0	0	.328	.382	.471	.853	CHN	
1915	136	513	165	38	2	7	91	81	52	0	3	33	0	0	.322	.382	.444	.826	CHN	
1916	132	472	140	32	3	9	78	68	62	0	5	22	0	0	.297	.375	.434	.809	CHN	
1917	140	506	138	31	2	4	72	71	53	2	6	18	0	0	.273	.340	.366	.706	CHN	
1918	109	406	133	21	3	4	64	54	40	1	1	15	0	0	.328	.388	.424	.812	CHN	
1919	118	467	152	40	2	5	82	79	35	0	4	15	0	0	.325	.370	.452	.821	CHN	
1920	130	499	151	34	5	8	83	82	45	4	4	16	0	0	.303	.362	.439	.801	CHN	
1921	149	567	179	56	11	8	101	88	53	3	2	21	0	0	.316	.376	.496	.872	CHN	
1922	148	587	179	45	9	7	98	85	45	0	10	29	0	0	.305	.349	.448	.797	CHN	
1923	147	575	185	44	7	9	97	81	46	0	6	25	0	0	.322	.368	.470	.838	CHN	
1924	143	519	173	58	5	9	105	86	52	2	7	29	0	0	.333	.391	.516	.908	CHN	
1925	138	515	155	44	9	14	92	89	42	2	4	32	0	1	.301	.353	.503	.856	CHN	
1926	85	305	110	23	3	14	63	54	20	0	3	22	1	1	.361	.396	.593	.990	CHN	
1927	142	520	176	46	9	16	90	93	58	2	8	34	0	0	.338	.401	.554	.955	CHN	
1928	141	525	154	37	6	7	62	77	58	0	2	39	2	0	.293	.362	.427	.789	CHN	
1929	134	545	171	38	5	11	82	93	41	2	4	47	0	0	.314	.361	.462	.824	CHN	
Total	2645	10015	3159	779	104	164	1712	1575	936	24	93	570	3	2	.315	.372	.463	.835

Drafted in 1st round, 6th overall pick, by Chicago (N) in 1909...
Had first career hit on 4/17/1910, off John Wetteland (NY1)...
Won Player of the Week award on 4/22/1910, hitting .350 with 0 HR, 3 RBI...
Hit first career homerun on 5/25/1910, off Al Atkinson (PHI)...
Won Batter of the Month award on 8/1/1911, hitting .379 with 1 HR, 24 RBI...
Drove in 7 runs against Brooklyn on 8/26/1911...
Won Gold Glove Award at Catcher in 1911...
Won Player of the Week award on 6/10/1912, hitting .500 with 2 HR, 11 RBI...
Won Batter of the Month award on 7/1/1912, hitting .368 with 2 HR, 16 RBI...
Won World Series with Chicago (N) in 1912...
Won Player of the Week award on 4/29/1913, hitting .500 with 2 HR, 12 RBI...
Drove in 6 runs against Boston (N) on 8/5/1913...
Injured on 4/19/1914 with a Fractured Ribs, out for 2 weeks...
Won Player of the Week award on 7/29/1914, hitting .423 with 0 HR, 8 RBI...
Won Gold Glove Award at Catcher in 1915...
Won Gold Glove Award at Catcher in 1916...
Won World Series with Chicago (N) in 1917...
Won Gold Glove Award at Catcher in 1917...
Had 5 hits with 1 RBI against St. Louis (N) on 6/14/1918...
Won World Series with Chicago (N) in 1918...
Won Gold Glove Award at Catcher in 1918...
Won World Series with Chicago (N) in 1919...
Had 2000th career hit on 9/2/1922, off John Butcher (CIN)...
Had 5 hits with 4 RBI against Boston (N) on 4/26/1924...
Had 5 hits with 1 RBI against Boston (N) on 4/26/1928...
Had 5 hits with 2 RBI against St. Louis (N) on 8/20/1928...
Had 3000th career hit on 4/26/1929, off Dupee Shaw (PIT)...
Won Player of the Week award on 9/2/1929, hitting .429 with 2 HR, 7 RBI...

legendsport · 09-20-2007, 12:53 PM

One thing I found pretty interesting, in light of Curtis Granderson's 20-20-20-20 season, which is pretty rare (especially in modern times):

Mickey Mantle, who just finished his 11th season, has never really developed into a real HR threat (his career high is the 23 he hit this season - 1929), but is without a doubt one of the greatest five-tool guys to have played in BaTTY thus far. He's had three straight seasons of 20-20-20-20 (that'd be 20 or more in doubles, triples, homers and steals). His "lack" of homers and proclivity for the double and triple is probably attributable to playing in Shibe Park, but his career numbers are really impressive regardless:

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 Career Batting Stats
Year	G	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	R	BB	HP	SF	K	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	Teams
1919	135	492	169	32	8	8	81	66	60	0	3	50	21	24	.343	.413	.490	.902	PHA
1920	147	547	192	27	16	13	79	87	77	1	4	53	24	35	.351	.429	.530	.959	PHA
1921	148	558	204	33	16	16	105	112	67	2	3	61	28	23	.366	.433	.568	1.001	PHA
1922	149	573	208	27	20	16	103	135	85	2	3	52	35	29	.363	.445	.564	1.009	PHA
1923	150	565	211	48	17	20	129	123	70	0	5	38	30	15	.373	.439	.625	1.064	PHA
1924	125	478	178	34	13	7	90	98	55	0	7	40	26	20	.372	.431	.542	.973	PHA
1925	147	536	200	38	25	19	106	132	99	2	4	41	26	16	.373	.470	.644	1.113	PHA
1926	91	331	130	27	15	15	68	87	66	1	3	26	23	17	.393	.491	.701	1.192	PHA
1927	145	561	192	44	22	20	107	136	105	1	3	48	25	13	.342	.445	.606	1.051	PHA
1928	148	531	211	54	22	20	118	152	99	0	8	41	27	15	.397	.486	.695	1.181	PHA
1929	139	516	189	42	25	23	119	135	107	3	7	51	30	17	.366	.472	.678	1.151	PHA
Total	1524	5688	2084	406	199	177	1105	1263	890	12	50	501	295	224	.366	.450	.601	1.051

A career average of .366, a 1.051 career OPS (he's had six straight seasons of over 1.000) and 2084 hits before turning 30. It's probably safe to assume that even if he doesn't hit 500 homers, this version of the Mick is a no-doubt Hall of Famer. If he continues to avoid the injuries that plagued his real career, he will probably also finish up as the career leader in hits, doubles and triples as well (he's 20th in doubles and already 2nd in triples). He's also going to rank pretty highly in runs and RBIs as well.

legendsport · 09-20-2007, 01:11 PM

Instead of doing seasonal updates, I'm going to try something different (sort of like the Mantle post I made above). BaTTY is unique because we're using real players who are normalized and moved to a different era (some are close to their real careers, while others are as far away, time-wise, as they can be), so there is always something cool to look at.

The Red Sox won another AL pennant this season (the World Series will be played tomorrow against the NL champion Cardinals). Interesting thing about the Sox: they've got a CATCHER who almost won the Triple Crown this season.

Yep, Carl Sawatski was first in batting average with .388 (after flirting with .400 all season long he cooled off in September) and homers with 38 (tied with Hack Wilson) and was second to Wilson in RBI with 136 (to the Hacker's 150). Not bad for a guy who played 11 real-life seasons (over the span of 1948-63) and only ONCE had more than 200 at-bats in a season. Oh yeah, Swats' lifetime batting average? .242 - definitely a guy who made out like a bandit moving to the high-octane offenses of the late 20s/early 30s.

So how did Greg Maddux do in his rookie season, you ask? Well, the Mad Dog had a decent year for the Giants in 1929 (an offset of -57 years from his real life debut in 1986). He went 21-19 for a team which only won 65 games. He posted an ERA of 3.81 and a WHIP of 1.30. The league averages for those categories were 4.52 and 1.47 respectively. Seems like even in an era where hitters used pitchers like punching bags, Maddux does just fine. Once the Giants develop some offense to support him, he could become the Lefty Grove of BaTTY (albeit a right-handed one).

jeheinz72 · 09-20-2007, 03:20 PM

Good to see Hack stop the Triple Crown!

Nuk · 09-24-2007, 01:25 PM

As we head into the offensive juggernaut that will be 1930 - it is unsurprising that offence leads the way in the draft again. Catcher Art Wilson and RF Chili Davis are projected to be all-stars - but the proof will be in the pudding.

I'm curious to see how Levi Meyerle does in Detroit - Levi was one of the great players of the very first days of baseball - so it will be interesting to see if his talents transfer.

Edgar Renteria looks ready to tear up the league with Brooklyn - and Mike Hargrove going to Washington should help as well.

After a year of Maddux - this is another pitching-short year - though Bill Voiselle will likely help the Yankees. Will Harshman develop for the Browns? Time will tell...

Round 1:

Cleveland pick: C Art Wilson
Boston (N) pick: RF Chili Davis
Chicago (N) pick: 2B Jack Glasscock.
New York (N) pick: RF Tim Salmon
New York (A) pick: P Bill Voiselle.
Brooklyn pick: SS Edgar Renteria.
Chicago (A) pick: P Bill Campbell.
Detroit pick: 3B Levi Meyerle.
St. Louis (A) pick: P Jack Harshman.
Washington pick: 1B Mike Hargrove.
Pittsburgh pick: CF Reggie Sanders
Philadelphia (A) pick: CF Rick Reichardt
Philadelphia (N) pick: 1B J.T. Snow
Boston (A) pick: C Manny Sanguillen.
Cincinnati pick: C Jocko Fields.
St. Louis (N) pick: LF Jay Johnstone.

Round 2 :

Cleveland pick: CF Dave Eggler
Boston (N) pick: 3B Jim Davenport
Chicago (N) pick: C Verne Clemons
New York (N) pick: C Johnny Oates
New York (A) pick: 2B Pedro Garcia
Brooklyn pick: C Ed Herrmann
Chicago (A) pick: 1B Tony Lupien
Detroit pick: 3B Nanny Fernandez
St. Louis (A) pick: 3B Charlie Hayes
Washington pick: 2B Steve Staggs
Pittsburgh pick: 2B Billy Martin
Philadelphia (A) pick: C Haywood Sullivan
Philadelphia (N) pick: SS Dave Anderson
Boston (A) pick: CF Goody Rosen
Cincinnati pick: C Jim Sundberg
St. Louis (N) pick: P Fred Glade

Round 3 :

Cleveland pick: 3B Steve Boros
Boston (N) pick: 2B Dib Williams
Chicago (N) pick: 2B Pete J. O'Brien
New York (N) pick: LF Dave Philley
New York (A) pick: LF Daryle Ward
Brooklyn pick: 1B Russ Morman
Chicago (A) pick: CF Peter Bergeron
Detroit pick: RF Stan Palys
St. Louis (A) pick: 1B Frank Bolick
Washington pick: 2B Bill Regan
Pittsburgh pick: C Steve Swisher
Philadelphia (A) pick: P Rosy Ryan
Philadelphia (N) pick: P Gene Packard
Boston (A) pick: SS Dick Tracewski
Cincinnati pick: C Tom Kinslow
St. Louis (N) pick: LF Gary Gray

Round 4 :

Cleveland pick: C Randy Knorr
Boston (N) pick: LF Roy Wood
Chicago (N) pick: SS Julio Gonzalez
New York (N) pick: P Alvin Crowder
New York (A) pick: P Mickey Scott
Brooklyn pick: P Guy Hoffman
Chicago (A) pick: P Steve Blass
Detroit pick: P Les Lancaster
St. Louis (A) pick: P Joe Beggs
Washington pick: P Sergio Valdez
Pittsburgh pick: 2B John Patterson
Philadelphia (A) pick: SS Henry Myers
Philadelphia (N) pick: LF Scott Bullett
Boston (A) pick: P Sean Runyan
Cincinnati pick: P Ron Villone
St. Louis (N) pick: P Jim Jones

Nuk · 09-28-2007, 12:24 PM

Congrats to Cincinnati, whose new manager squeaked out a 4 games to 3 Series victory over the Browns.

An interesting side note on our upcoming draft - we will have our youngest ever player drafted - Billy Geer - who made is baseball debut at 14.
It will be interesting to see how he develops
Billy Geer's real-life stats

Pittsburgh's got the Power, Chicago's got the speed

In the NL - We had the curious situation of Pittsburgh batters finishing 1,2,3 in the HR derby (with small-ball friendly totals of 18, 16 and 15). Still, cheers to Dunlap, Johnson and Karkovice on leading the "power" surge in the NL, even if no NL batter would have cracked the top 10 for HR in the AL this year.

The Cubs went a different route - with McHenry, McCosky anad Kamm going 1,2,3 in the SB base department (45,39, and 35 respectively)

It is apparent that power bests speed - as Pittsburgh ended up in a tie for pennant, losing a playoff - while Chicago ended below .500, 16.5 games out.

Is it really.400?

Albert Pujols had a great season this year - and finished it in style.
Coming to the last game of the season - Pujols was batting .395 - but unleashed a 4 for 4 showing at the plate in this final game of the year a 10-5 defeat of the White Sox. That brought his average for the year to 0.399641577... which is rounded up by statistics folks to .400. Now, some purists would dispute that Pujols hit the magic mark - but he did get there in a very impressive way....

JasonBonham · 09-30-2007, 10:10 AM

Just an update Batty is 3rd most post in Dynasty

Patrick O'Farrell ... 1206
Alltime Allstar .... 819
Batty ... 575

I will now challange each Batty owner to post a little snipet about your team after each season , We will not accept anything less than #1 I tell you.

JasonBonham · 09-30-2007, 10:25 AM

Did anyone notice Yount became the all time Batty hits leader?

3204 for Yount , theirs only 3 active guys in the top 25 and the youngest is mantle at #25 with 2295. mantle is only 31.

Lou Brock age 34 has 781 SB's , 176 behind all time leader Steve Sax

legendsport · 09-30-2007, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonBonham

Just an update Batty is 3rd most post in Dynasty

Patrick O'Farrell ... 1206
Alltime Allstar .... 819
Batty ... 575

I will now challange each Batty owner to post a little snipet about your team after each season , We will not accept anything less than #1 I tell you.

BaTTY has the most posts of any dynasty I've started, passing A Baseball House Divided (first one, killed by my attempted transition to OOTP 2006), which had 520 posts and 9200-something views.

It'd be awesome if more GMs did post in the thread, but I can't really point fingers since the number of posts I've made has gone down quite a bit since the start. I have to give kudos to Steve (Nuk) for picking up some of my slack, though.

Nuk · 09-30-2007, 11:35 PM

I like the concept and I like completeness - it's good to have these stories and histories going through.

It was a shame that Catobase crapped out on us - but that happens in a lot of leagues - still, there's a lot of good stuff here - and it's nice to spend 5-10 minutes to type something up on it.

09-12-2007, 09:46 AM	#561
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,931	BaTTY's Bambino? I think we may have found our 'Sultan of Swat' - St. Louis Brown outfielder Max West has, in just 93 games, already posted 40 homers. He's now hit 40+ in all four years of his career and at just 24 years of age, is already third on the career home run list. Heinie Zimmerman is first with 230 career bombs. Second is Danny Green with 172. Third is West, with 167. Zimmerman is 33, Green is 35 (and on his way out) and West is 24. His stat line thus far this year: Code: Batting G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K AVG OBP SLG OPS TAVG ISO Overall 93 345 117 23 7 41 112 87 48 21 .339 .414 .803 1.217 1.423 .464 Projected 151 559 190 37 11 66 182 141 78 34 .339 .414 .803 1.217 1.423 .464 West already holds the single-season HR record with 45 in 1926. He's obviously on pace to shatter that mark. Can he get to 60? We'll soon find out - tomorrow's sim will provide the answer. Check out Max's player page on the BaTTY site. __________________ Hexed & Countered on YouTube Figment League - A fictional history of baseball, basketball, football, hockey & more! Want to join in the fun? Shoot me a PM! Read the story of the Barrell Family - A Figment Baseball tale Same Song, Different Tune - The Barrells in the Modern Era

09-13-2007, 02:35 PM	#562
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,164	Crazy season by West. Between West, Mantle and my Wilson and Terry, it's a fun age for crazy stats... __________________ Join The Dugout!

09-13-2007, 07:02 PM	#564
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	and the lowly Braves had a HR factor in the 20's recently......might be 50 now __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

09-14-2007, 11:58 AM	#566
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,164	Another near miss for us. I wonder how many real life HOF'ers I can amass and still NEVER WIN A FRIGGIN PENNANT __________________ Join The Dugout!

09-17-2007, 10:57 AM	#568
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,931	1929 Amateur Draft A trio of top-flight pitchers headline this year's batch of incoming freshman, along with a few franchise-type position players. From this crop, there are possibly three of four future Hall-of-Famers. All-in-all not a bad draft class... Round 1: New York (N) pick: P Greg Maddux Cleveland pick: SS Barry Larkin Detroit pick: RF Sam Thompson Brooklyn pick: P Rube Waddell Boston (N) pick: P Donne Wall Cincinnati pick: 1B Del Bissonette New York (A) pick: P Gaylord Perry Chicago (A) pick: P Jesse Flores St. Louis (A) pick: LF Dwight Smith Chicago (N) pick: CF Barney McCosky Philadelphia (A) pick: LF Brad Wilkerson Boston (A) pick: C Johnny Romano Pittsburgh pick: LF Brett Butler Philadelphia (N) pick: LF Bernard Gilkey St. Louis (N) pick: 3B Randy Jackson Washington pick: CF Buster Adams Round 2 : New York (N) pick: RF Joe Lefebvre Cleveland pick: SS Wil Cordero Detroit pick: C Bob Tillman Brooklyn pick: RF George Case Boston (N) pick: 2B Julian Javier Cincinnati pick: RF Ron Jones New York (A) pick: CF Marvell Wynne Chicago (A) pick: CF Dino Restelli St. Louis (A) pick: C Jerry Grote Chicago (N) pick: CF John Dobbs Philadelphia (A) pick: C Buddy Rosar Boston (A) pick: SS Chris Gomez Pittsburgh pick: 1B Jeff Liefer Philadelphia (N) pick: LF Tommie Reynolds St. Louis (N) pick: P Paul Shuey Washington pick: CF Tom Oliver Round 3 : New York (N) pick: 1B Eddie Onslow Cleveland pick: SS Jack Wallaesa Detroit pick: LF Rufino Linares Brooklyn pick: 3B Bill Kuehne Boston (N) pick: P Frank Killen Cincinnati pick: 3B Rocky Bridges New York (A) pick: CF Liz Funk Chicago (A) pick: CF Doug Dascenzo St. Louis (A) pick: P Joe Black Chicago (N) pick: P Eddie Rommel Philadelphia (A) pick: CF Bob Usher Boston (A) pick: 2B Heinie Scheer Pittsburgh pick: P Bruce Berenyi Philadelphia (N) pick: C Gary Allenson St. Louis (N) pick: 3B Joe Burns Washington pick: RF Johnny Welaj Round 4 : New York (N) pick: P John Fox Cleveland pick: P Bob Wickman Detroit pick: P Don Lee Brooklyn pick: P Roger Mason Boston (N) pick: P Roy Face Cincinnati pick: P Allan Russell New York (A) pick: P Danny Frisella Chicago (A) pick: P Trever Miller St. Louis (A) pick: P Doc Scanlan Chicago (N) pick: P Dickie Kerr Philadelphia (A) pick: P Mike Paul Boston (A) pick: P Joe Ostrowski Pittsburgh pick: P Steve Stone Philadelphia (N) pick: P Masato Yoshii St. Louis (N) pick: P Mike Golden Washington pick: P John Henry Johnson __________________ Hexed & Countered on YouTube Figment League - A fictional history of baseball, basketball, football, hockey & more! Want to join in the fun? Shoot me a PM! Read the story of the Barrell Family - A Figment Baseball tale Same Song, Different Tune - The Barrells in the Modern Era

09-13-2007, 03:09 PM	#563
cec2 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 48	Never realized Sportsman's Park was such a home run haven. The Browns' version has a HR rating of 240 (the Cardinals' version only in the 130's). That helps explain why West hit 42 HR's at home (and a respectable 17 on the road)

09-20-2007, 06:53 AM	#570
AirForceOne Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15	Another milestone is the Yankees still will not make the playoffs either.........lol

09-20-2007, 12:22 PM	#571
Nuk Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 215	Another milestone reached this year is a new all-time hit leader. Jack Clements - 1st round pick in 1909 - is playing his last season this year - and will go out at the top of his game at 39. Not bad for a catcher. Jack Clements Stats He will finish his career ranked 1st in hits, 7th in HR, 1st in RBIs, 1st in doubles, 15th in walks and 1st in runs. Oh, and he also had 3 career stolen bases. Career Batting Stats Code: Year G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB HP SF K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Teams 1910 131 513 158 36 4 6 100 74 37 0 2 29 0 0 .308 .353 .429 .782 CHN 1911 135 513 161 29 8 9 94 81 47 2 2 36 0 0 .314 .372 .454 .827 CHN 1912 130 503 155 43 4 3 63 75 41 1 3 35 0 0 .308 .359 .427 .787 CHN 1913 135 496 170 41 4 8 102 87 64 3 10 36 0 0 .343 .414 .490 .904 CHN 1914 122 469 154 43 3 6 93 77 45 0 7 37 0 0 .328 .382 .471 .853 CHN 1915 136 513 165 38 2 7 91 81 52 0 3 33 0 0 .322 .382 .444 .826 CHN 1916 132 472 140 32 3 9 78 68 62 0 5 22 0 0 .297 .375 .434 .809 CHN 1917 140 506 138 31 2 4 72 71 53 2 6 18 0 0 .273 .340 .366 .706 CHN 1918 109 406 133 21 3 4 64 54 40 1 1 15 0 0 .328 .388 .424 .812 CHN 1919 118 467 152 40 2 5 82 79 35 0 4 15 0 0 .325 .370 .452 .821 CHN 1920 130 499 151 34 5 8 83 82 45 4 4 16 0 0 .303 .362 .439 .801 CHN 1921 149 567 179 56 11 8 101 88 53 3 2 21 0 0 .316 .376 .496 .872 CHN 1922 148 587 179 45 9 7 98 85 45 0 10 29 0 0 .305 .349 .448 .797 CHN 1923 147 575 185 44 7 9 97 81 46 0 6 25 0 0 .322 .368 .470 .838 CHN 1924 143 519 173 58 5 9 105 86 52 2 7 29 0 0 .333 .391 .516 .908 CHN 1925 138 515 155 44 9 14 92 89 42 2 4 32 0 1 .301 .353 .503 .856 CHN 1926 85 305 110 23 3 14 63 54 20 0 3 22 1 1 .361 .396 .593 .990 CHN 1927 142 520 176 46 9 16 90 93 58 2 8 34 0 0 .338 .401 .554 .955 CHN 1928 141 525 154 37 6 7 62 77 58 0 2 39 2 0 .293 .362 .427 .789 CHN 1929 134 545 171 38 5 11 82 93 41 2 4 47 0 0 .314 .361 .462 .824 CHN Total 2645 10015 3159 779 104 164 1712 1575 936 24 93 570 3 2 .315 .372 .463 .835 Drafted in 1st round, 6th overall pick, by Chicago (N) in 1909... Had first career hit on 4/17/1910, off John Wetteland (NY1)... Won Player of the Week award on 4/22/1910, hitting .350 with 0 HR, 3 RBI... Hit first career homerun on 5/25/1910, off Al Atkinson (PHI)... Won Batter of the Month award on 8/1/1911, hitting .379 with 1 HR, 24 RBI... Drove in 7 runs against Brooklyn on 8/26/1911... Won Gold Glove Award at Catcher in 1911... Won Player of the Week award on 6/10/1912, hitting .500 with 2 HR, 11 RBI... Won Batter of the Month award on 7/1/1912, hitting .368 with 2 HR, 16 RBI... Won World Series with Chicago (N) in 1912... Won Player of the Week award on 4/29/1913, hitting .500 with 2 HR, 12 RBI... Drove in 6 runs against Boston (N) on 8/5/1913... Injured on 4/19/1914 with a Fractured Ribs, out for 2 weeks... Won Player of the Week award on 7/29/1914, hitting .423 with 0 HR, 8 RBI... Won Gold Glove Award at Catcher in 1915... Won Gold Glove Award at Catcher in 1916... Won World Series with Chicago (N) in 1917... Won Gold Glove Award at Catcher in 1917... Had 5 hits with 1 RBI against St. Louis (N) on 6/14/1918... Won World Series with Chicago (N) in 1918... Won Gold Glove Award at Catcher in 1918... Won World Series with Chicago (N) in 1919... Had 2000th career hit on 9/2/1922, off John Butcher (CIN)... Had 5 hits with 4 RBI against Boston (N) on 4/26/1924... Had 5 hits with 1 RBI against Boston (N) on 4/26/1928... Had 5 hits with 2 RBI against St. Louis (N) on 8/20/1928... Had 3000th career hit on 4/26/1929, off Dupee Shaw (PIT)... Won Player of the Week award on 9/2/1929, hitting .429 with 2 HR, 7 RBI... Last edited by Nuk; 09-20-2007 at 04:12 PM.

09-20-2007, 12:53 PM	#572
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,931	One thing I found pretty interesting, in light of Curtis Granderson's 20-20-20-20 season, which is pretty rare (especially in modern times): Mickey Mantle, who just finished his 11th season, has never really developed into a real HR threat (his career high is the 23 he hit this season - 1929), but is without a doubt one of the greatest five-tool guys to have played in BaTTY thus far. He's had three straight seasons of 20-20-20-20 (that'd be 20 or more in doubles, triples, homers and steals). His "lack" of homers and proclivity for the double and triple is probably attributable to playing in Shibe Park, but his career numbers are really impressive regardless: Code: Career Batting Stats Year G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB HP SF K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Teams 1919 135 492 169 32 8 8 81 66 60 0 3 50 21 24 .343 .413 .490 .902 PHA 1920 147 547 192 27 16 13 79 87 77 1 4 53 24 35 .351 .429 .530 .959 PHA 1921 148 558 204 33 16 16 105 112 67 2 3 61 28 23 .366 .433 .568 1.001 PHA 1922 149 573 208 27 20 16 103 135 85 2 3 52 35 29 .363 .445 .564 1.009 PHA 1923 150 565 211 48 17 20 129 123 70 0 5 38 30 15 .373 .439 .625 1.064 PHA 1924 125 478 178 34 13 7 90 98 55 0 7 40 26 20 .372 .431 .542 .973 PHA 1925 147 536 200 38 25 19 106 132 99 2 4 41 26 16 .373 .470 .644 1.113 PHA 1926 91 331 130 27 15 15 68 87 66 1 3 26 23 17 .393 .491 .701 1.192 PHA 1927 145 561 192 44 22 20 107 136 105 1 3 48 25 13 .342 .445 .606 1.051 PHA 1928 148 531 211 54 22 20 118 152 99 0 8 41 27 15 .397 .486 .695 1.181 PHA 1929 139 516 189 42 25 23 119 135 107 3 7 51 30 17 .366 .472 .678 1.151 PHA Total 1524 5688 2084 406 199 177 1105 1263 890 12 50 501 295 224 .366 .450 .601 1.051 A career average of .366, a 1.051 career OPS (he's had six straight seasons of over 1.000) and 2084 hits before turning 30. It's probably safe to assume that even if he doesn't hit 500 homers, this version of the Mick is a no-doubt Hall of Famer. If he continues to avoid the injuries that plagued his real career, he will probably also finish up as the career leader in hits, doubles and triples as well (he's 20th in doubles and already 2nd in triples). He's also going to rank pretty highly in runs and RBIs as well. __________________ Hexed & Countered on YouTube Figment League - A fictional history of baseball, basketball, football, hockey & more! Want to join in the fun? Shoot me a PM! Read the story of the Barrell Family - A Figment Baseball tale Same Song, Different Tune - The Barrells in the Modern Era

09-20-2007, 01:11 PM	#573
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,931	1929 Season Notes Instead of doing seasonal updates, I'm going to try something different (sort of like the Mantle post I made above). BaTTY is unique because we're using real players who are normalized and moved to a different era (some are close to their real careers, while others are as far away, time-wise, as they can be), so there is always something cool to look at. The Red Sox won another AL pennant this season (the World Series will be played tomorrow against the NL champion Cardinals). Interesting thing about the Sox: they've got a CATCHER who almost won the Triple Crown this season. Yep, Carl Sawatski was first in batting average with .388 (after flirting with .400 all season long he cooled off in September) and homers with 38 (tied with Hack Wilson) and was second to Wilson in RBI with 136 (to the Hacker's 150). Not bad for a guy who played 11 real-life seasons (over the span of 1948-63) and only ONCE had more than 200 at-bats in a season. Oh yeah, Swats' lifetime batting average? .242 - definitely a guy who made out like a bandit moving to the high-octane offenses of the late 20s/early 30s. So how did Greg Maddux do in his rookie season, you ask? Well, the Mad Dog had a decent year for the Giants in 1929 (an offset of -57 years from his real life debut in 1986). He went 21-19 for a team which only won 65 games. He posted an ERA of 3.81 and a WHIP of 1.30. The league averages for those categories were 4.52 and 1.47 respectively. Seems like even in an era where hitters used pitchers like punching bags, Maddux does just fine. Once the Giants develop some offense to support him, he could become the Lefty Grove of BaTTY (albeit a right-handed one). __________________ Hexed & Countered on YouTube Figment League - A fictional history of baseball, basketball, football, hockey & more! Want to join in the fun? Shoot me a PM! Read the story of the Barrell Family - A Figment Baseball tale Same Song, Different Tune - The Barrells in the Modern Era

09-20-2007, 03:20 PM	#574
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,164	Good to see Hack stop the Triple Crown! __________________ Join The Dugout!

09-24-2007, 01:25 PM	#575
Nuk Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 215	As we head into the offensive juggernaut that will be 1930 - it is unsurprising that offence leads the way in the draft again. Catcher Art Wilson and RF Chili Davis are projected to be all-stars - but the proof will be in the pudding. I'm curious to see how Levi Meyerle does in Detroit - Levi was one of the great players of the very first days of baseball - so it will be interesting to see if his talents transfer. Edgar Renteria looks ready to tear up the league with Brooklyn - and Mike Hargrove going to Washington should help as well. After a year of Maddux - this is another pitching-short year - though Bill Voiselle will likely help the Yankees. Will Harshman develop for the Browns? Time will tell... Round 1: Cleveland pick: C Art Wilson Boston (N) pick: RF Chili Davis Chicago (N) pick: 2B Jack Glasscock. New York (N) pick: RF Tim Salmon New York (A) pick: P Bill Voiselle. Brooklyn pick: SS Edgar Renteria. Chicago (A) pick: P Bill Campbell. Detroit pick: 3B Levi Meyerle. St. Louis (A) pick: P Jack Harshman. Washington pick: 1B Mike Hargrove. Pittsburgh pick: CF Reggie Sanders Philadelphia (A) pick: CF Rick Reichardt Philadelphia (N) pick: 1B J.T. Snow Boston (A) pick: C Manny Sanguillen. Cincinnati pick: C Jocko Fields. St. Louis (N) pick: LF Jay Johnstone. Round 2 : Cleveland pick: CF Dave Eggler Boston (N) pick: 3B Jim Davenport Chicago (N) pick: C Verne Clemons New York (N) pick: C Johnny Oates New York (A) pick: 2B Pedro Garcia Brooklyn pick: C Ed Herrmann Chicago (A) pick: 1B Tony Lupien Detroit pick: 3B Nanny Fernandez St. Louis (A) pick: 3B Charlie Hayes Washington pick: 2B Steve Staggs Pittsburgh pick: 2B Billy Martin Philadelphia (A) pick: C Haywood Sullivan Philadelphia (N) pick: SS Dave Anderson Boston (A) pick: CF Goody Rosen Cincinnati pick: C Jim Sundberg St. Louis (N) pick: P Fred Glade Round 3 : Cleveland pick: 3B Steve Boros Boston (N) pick: 2B Dib Williams Chicago (N) pick: 2B Pete J. O'Brien New York (N) pick: LF Dave Philley New York (A) pick: LF Daryle Ward Brooklyn pick: 1B Russ Morman Chicago (A) pick: CF Peter Bergeron Detroit pick: RF Stan Palys St. Louis (A) pick: 1B Frank Bolick Washington pick: 2B Bill Regan Pittsburgh pick: C Steve Swisher Philadelphia (A) pick: P Rosy Ryan Philadelphia (N) pick: P Gene Packard Boston (A) pick: SS Dick Tracewski Cincinnati pick: C Tom Kinslow St. Louis (N) pick: LF Gary Gray Round 4 : Cleveland pick: C Randy Knorr Boston (N) pick: LF Roy Wood Chicago (N) pick: SS Julio Gonzalez New York (N) pick: P Alvin Crowder New York (A) pick: P Mickey Scott Brooklyn pick: P Guy Hoffman Chicago (A) pick: P Steve Blass Detroit pick: P Les Lancaster St. Louis (A) pick: P Joe Beggs Washington pick: P Sergio Valdez Pittsburgh pick: 2B John Patterson Philadelphia (A) pick: SS Henry Myers Philadelphia (N) pick: LF Scott Bullett Boston (A) pick: P Sean Runyan Cincinnati pick: P Ron Villone St. Louis (N) pick: P Jim Jones Last edited by Nuk; 09-24-2007 at 02:43 PM.

09-28-2007, 12:24 PM	#576
Nuk Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 215	Congrats to Cincinnati, whose new manager squeaked out a 4 games to 3 Series victory over the Browns. An interesting side note on our upcoming draft - we will have our youngest ever player drafted - Billy Geer - who made is baseball debut at 14. It will be interesting to see how he develops Billy Geer's real-life stats Pittsburgh's got the Power, Chicago's got the speed In the NL - We had the curious situation of Pittsburgh batters finishing 1,2,3 in the HR derby (with small-ball friendly totals of 18, 16 and 15). Still, cheers to Dunlap, Johnson and Karkovice on leading the "power" surge in the NL, even if no NL batter would have cracked the top 10 for HR in the AL this year. The Cubs went a different route - with McHenry, McCosky anad Kamm going 1,2,3 in the SB base department (45,39, and 35 respectively) It is apparent that power bests speed - as Pittsburgh ended up in a tie for pennant, losing a playoff - while Chicago ended below .500, 16.5 games out. *Is it really.400?* Albert Pujols had a great season this year - and finished it in style. Coming to the last game of the season - Pujols was batting .395 - but unleashed a 4 for 4 showing at the plate in this final game of the year a 10-5 defeat of the White Sox. That brought his average for the year to 0.399641577... which is rounded up by statistics folks to .400. Now, some purists would dispute that Pujols hit the magic mark - but he did get there in a very impressive way....

09-30-2007, 10:10 AM	#577
JasonBonham Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 105	Just an update Batty is 3rd most post in Dynasty Patrick O'Farrell ... 1206 Alltime Allstar .... 819 Batty ... 575 I will now challange each Batty owner to post a little snipet about your team after each season , We will not accept anything less than #1 I tell you.

09-30-2007, 10:25 AM	#578
JasonBonham Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 105	Did anyone notice Yount became the all time Batty hits leader? 3204 for Yount , theirs only 3 active guys in the top 25 and the youngest is mantle at #25 with 2295. mantle is only 31. Lou Brock age 34 has 781 SB's , 176 behind all time leader Steve Sax

09-30-2007, 11:35 PM	#580
Nuk Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 215	I like the concept and I like completeness - it's good to have these stories and histories going through. It was a shame that Catobase crapped out on us - but that happens in a lot of leagues - still, there's a lot of good stuff here - and it's nice to spend 5-10 minutes to type something up on it.