It is official: Money Ball does not work!

jaxmagicman · 09-12-2007, 11:23 AM

http://www.baselinereport.com/baselineblog/?p=248

My favorite part:

A GM absolutely controls what happens in a short series. Its all about preparation (scouting), and match-ups, equal to keeping the correct player personnel.

There are three definite pieces;
1. having the right players
2. having a manager capable of managing a big game
3. a GM or front office supporting the plan with trades and the winning player personnel.

It is most assuredly NOT about luck! Preparation, Execution, and Commitment.

mikev · 09-12-2007, 11:47 AM

The A's beat Seattle last night.

Moneyball is CLEARLY working!!!

mikev · 09-12-2007, 11:49 AM

dola,

FireJoeMorgan absolutely blew up this article. It was good reading.

edrooney · 09-12-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

dola,

FireJoeMorgan absolutely blew up this article. It was good reading.

Yeah. That was one of FJM's finest. From memory ... "This sentence takes the English language by the throat, pins it against the wall, and slashes it across the face with a broken beer bottle."

I heart FJM.

Joshv02 · 09-12-2007, 12:23 PM

I've read this blog entry three times now - I've no idea what it is trying to say.

edrooney · 09-12-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshv02

I've read this blog entry three times now - I've no idea what it is trying to say.

That Billy Beane's Moneyball is stupid and that the A's suck and that they will never win a world series because of Moneyball and the Yankees will win the world series because of fundamentals and because they play the game the right way.

rudel.dietrich · 09-12-2007, 12:34 PM

This is only getting attnetion because the man is a former player

There are much better (still wrong but better) critiques of the saber philosophy. I regard this about as highly as some of the poorly written garbage I see around here

RchW · 09-12-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by edrooney

That Billy Beane's Moneyball is stupid and that the A's suck and that they will never win a world series because of Moneyball and the Yankees will win the world series because of fundamentals and because they play the game the right way.

All the more reason to renew my hate of the Yankees. ABTY for this years playoffs.

BTW, I like your avatar. I was in Network as an extra back then.

darkhorse · 09-12-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

I regard this about as highly as some of the poorly written garbage I see around here

Jeff Francoeur heartily concurs.

mirrf · 09-12-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshv02

I've read this blog entry three times now - I've no idea what it is trying to say.

Read it's title: MONEY HAUL and so on.

His Own Bad Self · 09-12-2007, 10:36 PM

Pags won a World Series as a starting 3B with an OBP of .322. Of course he wouldn't understand "Moneyhaul". Thank goodness for FJM. Someone had to shred that thing.

Although I at least admire Pags for responding within the comments, he's still ridiculously wrong.

<Pion> · 09-13-2007, 03:41 AM

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Prodigal Son · 09-13-2007, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Jeff Francoeur heartily concurs.

So do poor people.

edit: I saw that edit, Pion...

Jason Moyer · 09-13-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jdawgsenior

Pags won a World Series as a starting 3B with an OBP of .322. Of course he wouldn't understand "Moneyhaul".

Most people who immediately associate OBP with Moneyball don't understand it either.

<Pion> · 09-13-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

So do poor people.

edit: I saw that edit, Pion...

Should I have left it or would it have upset some? I figured it wasn't worth someone getting worked over.

edrooney · 09-13-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

BTW, I like your avatar. I was in Network as an extra back then.

Wow. That's pretty incredible. One of my fave films - still stands up well.

So you must be like 80 or something.

ctorg · 09-13-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by edrooney

Wow. That's pretty incredible. One of my fave films - still stands up well.

So you must be like 80 or something.

Network was a very prescient film.

The Professor · 09-13-2007, 12:26 PM

The luster is off the MONEYBALL train's caboose, much like the broom is off the rose in a squalid Vietnamese quagmire of their own making. Billy Beane's bird has been stoned to death by OBP, OMG, and A/S/L-LMAO weilding nerds who escaped from their box in Willy Wonka's candy making factory.

By allowing Steve Erkel of the television show to evaluate his players, Beane has set his team back into the days of black-and-white television and we're not talking about Kirk and Ohura, boys and women. Jay P. Richardsi won't be sending any bale money for Beane this time around and much like Judas sold out Jesus, Beane is going to be crucified.

But he never walked on water to begin with, despite trying to sell the Major League industry a dry bill of goods built on faulty, un-traditional, analyses.

The Professor · 09-13-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by edrooney

Wow. That's pretty incredible. One of my fave films - still stands up well.

So you must be like 80 or something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctorg

Network was a very prescient film.

" "

One of my favorites as well.

edrooney · 09-13-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

Pags

Rofl.

For those who haven't read the article, this is a very useful summary.

09-12-2007, 11:23 AM	#1
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	It is official: Money Ball does not work! http://www.baselinereport.com/baselineblog/?p=248 My favorite part: A GM absolutely controls what happens in a short series. Its all about preparation (scouting), and match-ups, equal to keeping the correct player personnel. There are three definite pieces; 1. having the right players 2. having a manager capable of managing a big game 3. a GM or front office supporting the plan with trades and the winning player personnel. It is most assuredly NOT about luck! Preparation, Execution, and Commitment. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

09-12-2007, 11:47 AM	#2
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	The A's beat Seattle last night. Moneyball is CLEARLY working!!! __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

09-12-2007, 11:49 AM	#3
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	dola, FireJoeMorgan absolutely blew up this article. It was good reading. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

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Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	I've read this blog entry three times now - I've no idea what it is trying to say. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

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09-12-2007, 12:34 PM	#7
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	This is only getting attnetion because the man is a former player There are much better (still wrong but better) critiques of the saber philosophy. I regard this about as highly as some of the poorly written garbage I see around here

09-12-2007, 10:36 PM	#11
His Own Bad Self All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,221	Pags won a World Series as a starting 3B with an OBP of .322. Of course he wouldn't understand "Moneyhaul". Thank goodness for FJM. Someone had to shred that thing. Although I at least admire Pags for responding within the comments, he's still ridiculously wrong.

09-13-2007, 12:26 PM	#18
The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	The luster is off the MONEYBALL train's caboose, much like the broom is off the rose in a squalid Vietnamese quagmire of their own making. Billy Beane's bird has been stoned to death by OBP, OMG, and A/S/L-LMAO weilding nerds who escaped from their box in Willy Wonka's candy making factory. By allowing Steve Erkel of the television show to evaluate his players, Beane has set his team back into the days of black-and-white television and we're not talking about Kirk and Ohura, boys and women. Jay P. Richardsi won't be sending any bale money for Beane this time around and much like Judas sold out Jesus, Beane is going to be crucified. But he never walked on water to begin with, despite trying to sell the Major League industry a dry bill of goods built on faulty, un-traditional, analyses. __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."