Best 2007 Roster Out?

shortd81 · 08-30-2007, 07:49 PM

I'm using cubbysfan 2007 the latest version and the ratings are terrible. Is their any nice real rosters out that would work good with an online league?

myasu · 08-31-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by shortd81

I'm using cubbysfan 2007 the latest version and the ratings are terrible. Is their any nice real rosters out that would work good with an online league?

You could always edit the ratings by yourself, if that is the only problem you see in the set.

I would not use the word "terrible" if I were you, when someone (It was not only Cubby. So many people helped him creating the roster set.) was nice enough to put so much time and effort and created a roster set for all of us, without getting paid anything.

shortd81 · 08-31-2007, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by myasu

You could always edit the ratings by yourself, if that is the only problem you see in the set.

I would not use the word "terrible" if I were you, when someone (It was not only Cubby. So many people helped him creating the roster set.) was nice enough to put so much time and effort and created a roster set for all of us, without getting paid anything.

I'm not saying the work they did was TERRIBLE but the realisticness of the ratings. That's all. Yeah I do appreciate all the hard work, no doubt, but every league complains about EVERYTHING not a few things.

myasu · 08-31-2007, 01:54 AM

I understand, shortd81.

Did you try this roster set?
I do not know if they changed the ratings of the original set for this one, but it could be worth trying.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=152498

shortd81 · 08-31-2007, 07:55 AM

Thanks, testing it out now

SandMan · 08-31-2007, 08:41 AM

Or you can wait a few days, weeks or years for APujols5 set which should be released shortly unless his dog gets depression or some other family emergency arises.....again

shortd81 · 08-31-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SandMan

Or you can wait a few days, weeks or years for APujols5 set which should be released shortly unless his dog gets depression or some other family emergency arises.....again

LOL is their a thread on this?

SandMan · 08-31-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shortd81

LOL is their a thread on this?

Here is his current roster attempt. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=149786
and another link: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=151229
amd another: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=151705
and......

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=144922
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=143852

There is more.... in my own opinion this is VAPORWARE and we will never see the end results. But it is fun to follow the authors progress notes. Even though he releases no BETAS, ALPHAS or screenshots of his testing. The funny part is how he gets everyone sucked in to create logos and other mods for this great roster set.

I hope it does get released, but I doubt that it will.....

I am not bashing the author, simply posting threads. I just think that roster making is more difficult than we can all imagine and that this author may not be up to the task of creating a set up to the standards that he wants, and therefore, will never release. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt that I am.

There simply just needs to be a easier way for rosters. A foundation of some sort, that can just be built on the next year....

ashantewarrier · 08-31-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SandMan

Here is his current roster attempt. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=149786
and another link: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=151229
amd another: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=151705
and......

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=144922
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=143852

There is more.... in my own opinion this is VAPORWARE and we will never see the end results. But it is fun to follow the authors progress notes. Even though he releases no BETAS, ALPHAS or screenshots of his testing. The funny part is how he gets everyone sucked in to create logos and other mods for this great roster set.

I hope it does get released, but I doubt that it will.....

I am not bashing the author, simply posting threads. I just think that roster making is more difficult than we can all imagine and that this author may not be up to the task of creating a set up to the standards that he wants, and therefore, will never release. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt that I am.

There simply just needs to be a easier way for rosters. A foundation of some sort, that can just be built on the next year....

Hahahahaha...lol :-)

That's funny Sandy! Good stuff!

SandMan · 08-31-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

Dola,

This is OT but I expect to have a huge announcement about another mod sometime in the next few days

WOLF!! WOLF!!

EDIT: Actually it probably has something to do with a college set, since I noticed rocknfire7 doing a lot of logos for him..... but it would have been nice if it were the roster set he promised.

APujols5 · 09-01-2007, 01:45 AM

To be brutally honest about my rosters SandMan, I am still not overly happy with the sim results I am getting. I have probably a week's worth or work to do adding the last of draft picks. Then finally do a final transaction update. But I am not going to even get that far until I figure out what is left to tweak to get the results I want. I can't really put a timeframe on that. Some nights I have the time to run a few hundred seasons to test and Some nights I don't. It just varies, plus nothing says I even try the right tweaks. Trial and error sucks, but I don't know any other way to get what I need done.

Oh and No the OT announcement isn't a college league. It's something that has been talked about between myself and a few others that will be very interesting if all the pieces fall together. The college logos are just something that I asked RNF if he was willing to do all the D1 schools because I love his work in particular and the glossy look in general. And when I asked, he said to just list the schools a few at a time and he'd do them when time allows. For my own personal games, I am hoping to eventually switch all my logos to the glossy look.

endgame · 09-01-2007, 12:27 PM

I don't use roster sets, so in that respect I shouldn't comment. But SandMan has a legitimate argument/suggestion in his assessment: release what you do have in its current state. Given you're at that 'sim for results' stage, all but a few of the final players are in place, so what's the harm letting the folks who will be using it take it from there, or add/change, comment, effectively using it as a beta? If it's where you say it is, with actual evaluation, it could reach its final steps in far less time than your efforts alone.

Really. Just release what you have and let the dogs chew it to the bone - provided there is meat and not just a splash of flavor to gain interest.

APujols5 · 09-01-2007, 12:30 PM

Why though? Why should I release something that I am unhappy with the results? There are already 4 other rosters out there to use. I see absolutely no compelling reason to release mine until I am happy with the results that I am getting.

Honest to God, the more people tell me do this or do that, release them now even if they aren't done, the more it just pisses me off. I wasn't going to get into this. But damn, I am doing this because I want a good set of rosters that I want to play with. And then secondly, it would be about sharing them. If I am not happy enough to play with them yet, why in the name of God should I release them? It's just this simple really, you can either wait until the results are good or you can use one of the 4 sets that are available in the mods forum. I really don't give 2 craps which option people choose. Just know that when I do release my work, it will be easily the most tested, torn apart and rebuilt set out there. And hopefully the results you get when you use it will back that up and show the work that I did do.

shortd81 · 09-01-2007, 12:50 PM

WOW, come on Pujols. chill out man. I've just started watching this topic and I must say you have some contol issues. Just so you know, you can always come out with a BETA edition so you can get some feedback.

You can't find all the errors man. People are just asking to see where you are at.

APujols5 · 09-01-2007, 12:57 PM

No, it's not about control issues, but I have said since day 1 there would be no beta version. When I am satisfied with my work, I will share it. Beta versions only lead to bitching about stuff. And it's not errors I am worried about, it's the way the game is handling the rosters that I am concerned with. This amazing game isn't meant for real rosters. This is a fictional game that we as the community bend to make it work for both historical and real world rosters. So until I am ready to play it, it stays with me.

But believe me, when these last few bugs and complaints get worked out, it will be worth it. I will have somewhere around 20,000 seasons simmed by the time I release So I will know the way the game treats it inside and out.

shortd81 · 09-01-2007, 12:59 PM

I understand that, but a little help to evaluate it wouldn't hurt.

f.montoya · 09-01-2007, 01:24 PM

I don't know what all the fuss is about. I've played with lot's of custom roster sets for the past several years. I love the fact that people are willing to give their effort and free time to making these and I appreciate it even though I can honestly say that there has never been a "perfect" roster set. I rarely get the standings that match real life, and I always have surprise performances by several players. But isn't that a good thing?

Cubbyfan has already put together a nice one that anyone can grab, run a few tests and make edits where they see fit. That's part of the charm(and draw) of OOTP in that the user has these options in the game.

Apparently, APujols5 has put together something as well. He may not release his set until after the season but that's up to him, isn't it? Nobody has paid him to do this, so even if it never materializes, nothing is lost.

On the other hand, APujols5, you'd more than likely receive more support, help and advice if you released what you currently have, with a big fat disclaimer to the downloader(stating that the roster is not yet complete), in large red font. Two heads are better than one, four heads are better than two...but I guess that would depend on if you were receptive to help and advice.

APujols5 · 09-01-2007, 01:28 PM

Once I am happy with the results I am getting I will most likely ask 2-3 people to look at it for a couple days before I release it. But put simply, I don't care to get page after page telling player x needs this rating or that rating. I have formulas that are based off the player's real stats to come up with my ratings. So it will be pretty simple when the set is released, you either like my ratings or change them yourself. Because the way I am doing it was well thought out, well tested and not up for discussion because it's simply based off that person's stats. My own judgements have little to do with ratings.

f.montoya · 09-01-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

Once I am happy with the results I am getting I will most likely ask 2-3 people to look at it for a couple days before I release it. But put simply, I don't care to get page after page telling player x needs this rating or that rating. I have formulas that are based off the player's real stats to come up with my ratings. So it will be pretty simple when the set is released, you either like my ratings or change them yourself. Because the way I am doing it was well thought out, well tested and not up for discussion because it's simply based off that person's stats. My own judgements have little to do with ratings.

Fair enough. Yet you raise expectations beyond what they would be if you'd let the community help.

APujols5 · 09-01-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by f.montoya

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Apparently, APujols5 has put together something as well. He may not release his set until after the season but that's up to him, isn't it? Nobody has paid him to do this, so even if it never materializes, nothing is lost.

On the other hand, APujols5, you'd more than likely receive more support, help and advice if you released what you currently have, with a big fat disclaimer to the downloader(stating that the roster is not yet complete), in large red font. Two heads are better than one, four heads are better than two...but I guess that would depend on if you were receptive to help and advice.

Yea honestly, I have no clue when I will release either. I won't be running anymore tests until Tuesday at the earliest because of the Labor Day holiday weekend, I don't have the time to sit and give to my testing the way I need to. So who knows what will happen, I may hit the perfect tweaks Tuesday night and then drop the set into the hands of the people I trust to have a 2nd look at my work before it goes out the door to the public. Or more likely, I won't but will pick up another nugget of knowledge of the inner workings of the game and be one step closer to the results I want. I will let the world in on my testing just so you can hopefully see that with just the teeniest bit of luck, this won't take long. In my adult life I have been very into computers, could even be labeled the classic computer nerd, in my office I currently have 7 top notch computers that I have either bought or built. OOTP is currently installed on them all plus my laptop. So when I set to testing, I will usually run slightly differnt tweaks and run 10-30 year sims on anyhwere from 6 to all 8 computers. While I don't want to put a time frame on this simply because there is a lot of luck involved, I don't really expect to be doing this a whole lot longer. I really feel I am close right now. Mainly I am looking at how the AI handles it's rosters to keep from having the Major league flooded with guys that don't belong there.

08-30-2007, 07:49 PM	#1
shortd81 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Deland, Florida Posts: 85	Best 2007 Roster Out? I'm using cubbysfan 2007 the latest version and the ratings are terrible. Is their any nice real rosters out that would work good with an online league?

08-31-2007, 01:54 AM	#4
myasu All Star Starter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 1,491	I understand, shortd81. Did you try this roster set? I do not know if they changed the ratings of the original set for this one, but it could be worth trying. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=152498 __________________ myasu Bill Spaceman Lee- "The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything."

09-01-2007, 01:45 AM	#11
APujols5 Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CP Indiana Posts: 1,667 Infractions: 1/3 (3)	To be brutally honest about my rosters SandMan, I am still not overly happy with the sim results I am getting. I have probably a week's worth or work to do adding the last of draft picks. Then finally do a final transaction update. But I am not going to even get that far until I figure out what is left to tweak to get the results I want. I can't really put a timeframe on that. Some nights I have the time to run a few hundred seasons to test and Some nights I don't. It just varies, plus nothing says I even try the right tweaks. Trial and error sucks, but I don't know any other way to get what I need done. Oh and No the OT announcement isn't a college league. It's something that has been talked about between myself and a few others that will be very interesting if all the pieces fall together. The college logos are just something that I asked RNF if he was willing to do all the D1 schools because I love his work in particular and the glossy look in general. And when I asked, he said to just list the schools a few at a time and he'd do them when time allows. For my own personal games, I am hoping to eventually switch all my logos to the glossy look. Last edited by APujols5; 09-01-2007 at 01:52 AM.

09-01-2007, 12:27 PM	#12
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	I don't use roster sets, so in that respect I shouldn't comment. But SandMan has a legitimate argument/suggestion in his assessment: release what you do have in its current state. Given you're at that 'sim for results' stage, all but a few of the final players are in place, so what's the harm letting the folks who will be using it take it from there, or add/change, comment, effectively using it as a beta? If it's where you say it is, with actual evaluation, it could reach its final steps in far less time than your efforts alone. Really. Just release what you have and let the dogs chew it to the bone - provided there is meat and not just a splash of flavor to gain interest. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

09-01-2007, 12:30 PM	#13
APujols5 Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CP Indiana Posts: 1,667 Infractions: 1/3 (3)	Why though? Why should I release something that I am unhappy with the results? There are already 4 other rosters out there to use. I see absolutely no compelling reason to release mine until I am happy with the results that I am getting. Honest to God, the more people tell me do this or do that, release them now even if they aren't done, the more it just pisses me off. I wasn't going to get into this. But damn, I am doing this because I want a good set of rosters that I want to play with. And then secondly, it would be about sharing them. If I am not happy enough to play with them yet, why in the name of God should I release them? It's just this simple really, you can either wait until the results are good or you can use one of the 4 sets that are available in the mods forum. I really don't give 2 craps which option people choose. Just know that when I do release my work, it will be easily the most tested, torn apart and rebuilt set out there. And hopefully the results you get when you use it will back that up and show the work that I did do. Last edited by APujols5; 09-01-2007 at 12:37 PM.

08-31-2007, 07:55 AM	#5
shortd81 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Deland, Florida Posts: 85	Thanks, testing it out now

08-31-2007, 08:41 AM	#6
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	Or you can wait a few days, weeks or years for APujols5 set which should be released shortly unless his dog gets depression or some other family emergency arises.....again

09-01-2007, 12:50 PM	#14
shortd81 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Deland, Florida Posts: 85	WOW, come on Pujols. chill out man. I've just started watching this topic and I must say you have some contol issues. Just so you know, you can always come out with a BETA edition so you can get some feedback. You can't find all the errors man. People are just asking to see where you are at.

09-01-2007, 12:57 PM	#15
APujols5 Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CP Indiana Posts: 1,667 Infractions: 1/3 (3)	No, it's not about control issues, but I have said since day 1 there would be no beta version. When I am satisfied with my work, I will share it. Beta versions only lead to bitching about stuff. And it's not errors I am worried about, it's the way the game is handling the rosters that I am concerned with. This amazing game isn't meant for real rosters. This is a fictional game that we as the community bend to make it work for both historical and real world rosters. So until I am ready to play it, it stays with me. But believe me, when these last few bugs and complaints get worked out, it will be worth it. I will have somewhere around 20,000 seasons simmed by the time I release So I will know the way the game treats it inside and out.

09-01-2007, 12:59 PM	#16
shortd81 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Deland, Florida Posts: 85	I understand that, but a little help to evaluate it wouldn't hurt.

09-01-2007, 01:24 PM	#17
f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,070	I don't know what all the fuss is about. I've played with lot's of custom roster sets for the past several years. I love the fact that people are willing to give their effort and free time to making these and I appreciate it even though I can honestly say that there has never been a "perfect" roster set. I rarely get the standings that match real life, and I always have surprise performances by several players. But isn't that a good thing? Cubbyfan has already put together a nice one that anyone can grab, run a few tests and make edits where they see fit. That's part of the charm(and draw) of OOTP in that the user has these options in the game. Apparently, APujols5 has put together something as well. He may not release his set until after the season but that's up to him, isn't it? Nobody has paid him to do this, so even if it never materializes, nothing is lost. On the other hand, APujols5, you'd more than likely receive more support, help and advice if you released what you currently have, with a big fat disclaimer to the downloader(stating that the roster is not yet complete), in large red font. Two heads are better than one, four heads are better than two...but I guess that would depend on if you were receptive to help and advice. __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) www.allsimbaseball.com (OOTP web hosting - Customized sites for online leagues - Sign up, Connect OOTP and Play!) Share Your Mods - Free, unlimited and easy to upload to share your Mods instantly(free site registration required)

09-01-2007, 01:28 PM	#18
APujols5 Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CP Indiana Posts: 1,667 Infractions: 1/3 (3)	Once I am happy with the results I am getting I will most likely ask 2-3 people to look at it for a couple days before I release it. But put simply, I don't care to get page after page telling player x needs this rating or that rating. I have formulas that are based off the player's real stats to come up with my ratings. So it will be pretty simple when the set is released, you either like my ratings or change them yourself. Because the way I am doing it was well thought out, well tested and not up for discussion because it's simply based off that person's stats. My own judgements have little to do with ratings.