Occasionally pitchers are pulled too early

A.J. Holz · 07-10-2007, 12:12 PM

In one online league that I'm in, a bunch of us have noticed some situations where there is no good reason for a starting pitcher to be yanked from a game. He's pitching well, has a high endurance and low total number of pitches, and is actually performing quite well. This doesn't seem to be a consistent problem but does come up from time to time. The league is running OOTP version 2.0.2.53.

Examples:

http://www.theguba.net/news/html/box...e_box_292.html

Reynoso (Chicago), who has an Endurance of 17 (1-20 scale) and is pitching on five days' rest, gets pulled after 59 pitches. He gets pulled in the middle of an inning, and at the time has pitched 4.1 innings, allowing only two hits, no runs, walking one while striking out six. Nothing in the box score or game log to indicate why he was pulled.

http://www.theguba.net/news/html/box..._box_1626.html

Lewis (Warsaw), who has an Endurance of 17 as well, also pitching on five days' rest, gets pulled after 4 innings. He's allowed three hits and one walk in a scoreless performance, striking out 5, and has only thrown 76 pitches. Again, nothing to indicate why this was in either the box score or the game log.

Can anyone lend some light on this subject, is it a known issue?

thbroman · 07-10-2007, 12:16 PM

Let me just ask the obvious question, to get it out of the way: what do those teams have for strategy settings? As far as I have been able to determine, those settings actually affect the a.i.'s in-game behavior to a noticeable degree.

A.J. Holz · 07-10-2007, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thbroman

Let me just ask the obvious question, to get it out of the way: what do those teams have for strategy settings? As far as I have been able to determine, those settings actually affect the a.i.'s in-game behavior to a noticeable degree.

Hey Tom! Thanks for the response.

OK, I'm not sure about Warsaw, but in Chicago's case, I have the starting pitcher hook set one click to the left from middle (towards "Quick"). Same for relief pitcher hook.

thbroman · 07-10-2007, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.J. Holz

Hey Tom! Thanks for the response.

OK, I'm not sure about Warsaw, but in Chicago's case, I have the starting pitcher hook set one click to the left from middle (towards "Quick"). Same for relief pitcher hook.

You're not exactly Sparky Anderson in using the hook, are you?

I'll bet somewhere in the coding for a.i. control of the games there's a little hiccup that causes unduly rapid exit of pitchers in certain situations.

A.J. Holz · 07-10-2007, 02:07 PM

I wouldn't doubt it. Hey, is anyone from OOTP checking these forums any more, or are we on our own?

badfish · 07-10-2007, 03:24 PM

I'm the Warsaw owner. My settings were also set to one notch below the middle for starter hook.

Emrys · 07-31-2007, 01:06 AM

We're seeing this in our league as well. It's odd. One owner has a pitcher with 5 out of 10 endurance, and about 6/9 of last season, his pitcher went from pitching around 6 innings an outing to 3. From that point on it was consistently 2-3 IP, even when he was rocking.

His endurance was 95 in the editor, and he was 1 star, despite having great ratings. (I know, 5 is low for a SP, but a 1 star SP it does not make).

I upped him to 100 (6 in the 1-10 scale) and his next outting he went 7 IP, and his rating is back up at 4.5 stars.

Strange stuff. There's definitely something going on with pitchers hooks/endurance/ratings.

battists · 08-11-2007, 12:24 AM

Hi there.

I'm very sorry your issue has sat here for so long without a response.

Us volunteers are a little on the burnt-out side right now! That's not an excuse, though, but let's see if we can make some progress, if you're still around after all this time...

I've opened a ticket for this case, TT # 3834, thanks for the excellent documentation of the problem.

I do know that GUBA has pitcher endurance set to Very Low. I wonder if that could have any impact?

At any rate, I will try to get Markus to take a look at this one. Thanks very much, and apologies again for the delay.

Steve

07-10-2007, 12:12 PM	#1
A.J. Holz All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 650	Occasionally pitchers are pulled too early In one online league that I'm in, a bunch of us have noticed some situations where there is no good reason for a starting pitcher to be yanked from a game. He's pitching well, has a high endurance and low total number of pitches, and is actually performing quite well. This doesn't seem to be a consistent problem but does come up from time to time. The league is running OOTP version 2.0.2.53. Examples: http://www.theguba.net/news/html/box...e_box_292.html Reynoso (Chicago), who has an Endurance of 17 (1-20 scale) and is pitching on five days' rest, gets pulled after 59 pitches. He gets pulled in the middle of an inning, and at the time has pitched 4.1 innings, allowing only two hits, no runs, walking one while striking out six. Nothing in the box score or game log to indicate why he was pulled. http://www.theguba.net/news/html/box..._box_1626.html Lewis (Warsaw), who has an Endurance of 17 as well, also pitching on five days' rest, gets pulled after 4 innings. He's allowed three hits and one walk in a scoreless performance, striking out 5, and has only thrown 76 pitches. Again, nothing to indicate why this was in either the box score or the game log. Can anyone lend some light on this subject, is it a known issue? __________________ NABA - Tijuana Toros / Commish ORB - Oakland Athletics (former owner) MBBA - Seattle Storm JOBL - Grand Forks Varmints (former owner) FIBB - Chicago Fire TMBU - Tulsa Tomcats (former owner) ACL - Oakland A's (former owner) ACB - Rockville Superbas

07-10-2007, 02:07 PM	#5
A.J. Holz All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 650	I wouldn't doubt it. Hey, is anyone from OOTP checking these forums any more, or are we on our own? __________________ NABA - Tijuana Toros / Commish ORB - Oakland Athletics (former owner) MBBA - Seattle Storm JOBL - Grand Forks Varmints (former owner) FIBB - Chicago Fire TMBU - Tulsa Tomcats (former owner) ACL - Oakland A's (former owner) ACB - Rockville Superbas

07-10-2007, 12:16 PM	#2
thbroman All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 867	Let me just ask the obvious question, to get it out of the way: what do those teams have for strategy settings? As far as I have been able to determine, those settings actually affect the a.i.'s in-game behavior to a noticeable degree.

07-10-2007, 03:24 PM	#6
badfish Bat Boy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 14	I'm the Warsaw owner. My settings were also set to one notch below the middle for starter hook.

07-31-2007, 01:06 AM	#7
Emrys Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 33	We're seeing this in our league as well. It's odd. One owner has a pitcher with 5 out of 10 endurance, and about 6/9 of last season, his pitcher went from pitching around 6 innings an outing to 3. From that point on it was consistently 2-3 IP, even when he was rocking. His endurance was 95 in the editor, and he was 1 star, despite having great ratings. (I know, 5 is low for a SP, but a 1 star SP it does not make). I upped him to 100 (6 in the 1-10 scale) and his next outting he went 7 IP, and his rating is back up at 4.5 stars. Strange stuff. There's definitely something going on with pitchers hooks/endurance/ratings.

08-11-2007, 12:24 AM	#8
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Hi there. I'm very sorry your issue has sat here for so long without a response. Us volunteers are a little on the burnt-out side right now! That's not an excuse, though, but let's see if we can make some progress, if you're still around after all this time... I've opened a ticket for this case, TT # 3834, thanks for the excellent documentation of the problem. I do know that GUBA has pitcher endurance set to Very Low. I wonder if that could have any impact? At any rate, I will try to get Markus to take a look at this one. Thanks very much, and apologies again for the delay. Steve