Withdrawing offers?

sox9418 · 04-21-2002, 02:45 PM

Why is it that during the free agent draft (fictional league imported from OOTP3) that some offers can be withdrawn and some can't? All of the offers were placed the previous day, and no bids have been made yet on the current day.

Any ideas?

sox9418 · 04-21-2002, 02:53 PM

Sorry - brain spaz there. I think it's because those teams don't have the highest/best bid at the time, so the money isn't factored in.

If I'm wrong, let me know.

Thanks!

Red Blow · 04-21-2002, 02:55 PM

I don't know the answer to your question, but I would like to see a "renegotiate" button instead of or in addition to the withdraw offer button. A player that leaves you hanging for a week or more might be spurred to sign if you dropped some cash from the table. His value might go down, too, if you make a trade or sign someone of equivalent need. Maybe you could add some more money to give him more incentive.

I also had an extremely annoying thing happen a couple of times concerning FA offers. I had the best offer for a player, he waited for 2 weeks, then sent me the "sorry but Texas made me the best offer" email without allowing me a counter-offer. I can see where that could happen, but since you can't offer out more money than you currently have you can end up being handcuffed to a guy and then end up signing no one. When it happened to me, I had to decide between a 2B and a SP for an offer of a 13 mil contract. The pitcher signed for about 11.5 mil in the first week. When the 2B went to Texas after holding my money for 2 weeks, I was left holding the bag with most of the better FAs already signed.

Scott Vibert · 04-21-2002, 04:27 PM

I see this as the old I'm just using you to drive up my value tactic that some players use. In otherwords the player never wanted to sign with you, but used your offer as leverage to drive his value up.

Red Blow · 04-21-2002, 04:54 PM

I agree... I just wonder if there is a way to free up the money or increase the (best) offer without having to nix the deal first. If you withdraw, of course, they won't even talk to you.

It is very similar to what David Wells did to the Diamondbacks this past off-season. He made it look like he would sign with them to get Steinbrenner to up the ante. He left AZ at the altar (thank God). I think that does add realism to the game. I am concerned mainly because I have only bid on about 6 #1 or #2 FAs like that in the short time I have had the game, and it happened twice.

Bald Eagles · 04-22-2002, 05:15 AM

I would like to see 'high limits' on FA bids. If a FA wants $1 million for 4 years, and I offer 1.5 million for 4 years, he starts off at his asking price. If another team bids on him, but their bid is lower than 1.5m, then the bid is still mine (adjusted to just above the new offer), as long as it's under my maximum. If another teams bids higher, then I lose the ceiling and the email gets sent out. There is a term for this, but I can't think of it now.

TJdaSportsGuy · 04-22-2002, 05:18 AM

We could call this the "eBay Factor"

This is similar to how the bidding works on that website. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

dpwoodford · 04-22-2002, 12:01 PM

Proxy bidding is probably the term you're looking for...

Darryl

ribman · 04-22-2002, 05:00 PM

I was going after a decent 3b and was in a bidding war with 1 team. I looked at his roster and he had a 3b already that was better. I was behind in the bidding. So I got cagey and traded my 3b to the team competing against me giving him 1 good 3b and 1 ok backup. I thought that the other team would then take back the offer since they didn't need him anymore. I then lowered my offer. It didn't work. The other team never withdrew the offer which was stupid. My final offer was 2.6 mil and he signed for 2.4 mil other team for 1 more year, but he kep telling me the contract was fine, the money wasn't enough. I then traded for the guy saving 200,000. The other team accepted the offer quickly and cheaply. Didn't seem right though. The leading bidder is the only team that can withdraw an offer as long as the player has not accepted - right?

Red Blow · 04-22-2002, 05:05 PM

Yes (I think), the only offer that can be withdrawn is the "best" offer. I have had FA ask for more money and signed them by adding another year to the contract. I guess that adds up to more money, too.

BleacherBum · 04-22-2002, 07:19 PM

Each player only has one offer on the table at any given time. If yours is not his favorite, it has been rejected and is dead. Although it shows in your display, it no longer counts against your available funds. So, there is no offer, so nothing to withdraw (thus the lack of a button).

I read another point about being able to up the ante, even if you're the top bidder. That would be a nice feature, 'cause sometimes I can tell a player is sittin' on my "best" offer but has no intention of accepting it. And when someone tops my number, he's off to the other team before I can even counter. I've gotten burned like this a few times for lowballin' the first bid.

04-21-2002, 02:55 PM	#3
Red Blow Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 404	I don't know the answer to your question, but I would like to see a "renegotiate" button instead of or in addition to the withdraw offer button. A player that leaves you hanging for a week or more might be spurred to sign if you dropped some cash from the table. His value might go down, too, if you make a trade or sign someone of equivalent need. Maybe you could add some more money to give him more incentive. I also had an extremely annoying thing happen a couple of times concerning FA offers. I had the best offer for a player, he waited for 2 weeks, then sent me the "sorry but Texas made me the best offer" email without allowing me a counter-offer. I can see where that could happen, but since you can't offer out more money than you currently have you can end up being handcuffed to a guy and then end up signing no one. When it happened to me, I had to decide between a 2B and a SP for an offer of a 13 mil contract. The pitcher signed for about 11.5 mil in the first week. When the 2B went to Texas after holding my money for 2 weeks, I was left holding the bag with most of the better FAs already signed. __________________ http://www.nobl.net This is your father's league.

04-21-2002, 04:54 PM	#5
Red Blow Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 404	I agree... I just wonder if there is a way to free up the money or increase the (best) offer without having to nix the deal first. If you withdraw, of course, they won't even talk to you. It is very similar to what David Wells did to the Diamondbacks this past off-season. He made it look like he would sign with them to get Steinbrenner to up the ante. He left AZ at the altar (thank God). I think that does add realism to the game. I am concerned mainly because I have only bid on about 6 #1 or #2 FAs like that in the short time I have had the game, and it happened twice. __________________ http://www.nobl.net This is your father's league.

04-22-2002, 05:05 PM	#10
Red Blow Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 404	Yes (I think), the only offer that can be withdrawn is the "best" offer. I have had FA ask for more money and signed them by adding another year to the contract. I guess that adds up to more money, too. __________________ http://www.nobl.net This is your father's league.

04-22-2002, 07:19 PM	#11
BleacherBum All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 672	Each player only has one offer on the table at any given time. If yours is not his favorite, it has been rejected and is dead. Although it shows in your display, it no longer counts against your available funds. So, there is no offer, so nothing to withdraw (thus the lack of a button). I read another point about being able to up the ante, even if you're the top bidder. That would be a nice feature, 'cause sometimes I can tell a player is sittin' on my "best" offer but has no intention of accepting it. And when someone tops my number, he's off to the other team before I can even counter. I've gotten burned like this a few times for lowballin' the first bid. __________________ Right Field Sucks!

04-21-2002, 02:45 PM	#1
sox9418 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 323	Withdrawing offers? Why is it that during the free agent draft (fictional league imported from OOTP3) that some offers can be withdrawn and some can't? All of the offers were placed the previous day, and no bids have been made yet on the current day. Any ideas?

04-21-2002, 02:53 PM	#2
sox9418 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 323	Sorry - brain spaz there. I think it's because those teams don't have the highest/best bid at the time, so the money isn't factored in. If I'm wrong, let me know. Thanks!

04-21-2002, 04:27 PM	#4
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	I see this as the old I'm just using you to drive up my value tactic that some players use. In otherwords the player never wanted to sign with you, but used your offer as leverage to drive his value up.

04-22-2002, 05:15 AM	#6
Bald Eagles Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Waveland & Sheffield Posts: 402	I would like to see 'high limits' on FA bids. If a FA wants $1 million for 4 years, and I offer 1.5 million for 4 years, he starts off at his asking price. If another team bids on him, but their bid is lower than 1.5m, then the bid is still mine (adjusted to just above the new offer), as long as it's under my maximum. If another teams bids higher, then I lose the ceiling and the email gets sent out. There is a term for this, but I can't think of it now.

04-22-2002, 05:18 AM	#7
TJdaSportsGuy Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 47	We could call this the "eBay Factor" This is similar to how the bidding works on that website. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

04-22-2002, 12:01 PM	#8
dpwoodford Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 103	Proxy bidding is probably the term you're looking for... Darryl

04-22-2002, 05:00 PM	#9
ribman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 85	I was going after a decent 3b and was in a bidding war with 1 team. I looked at his roster and he had a 3b already that was better. I was behind in the bidding. So I got cagey and traded my 3b to the team competing against me giving him 1 good 3b and 1 ok backup. I thought that the other team would then take back the offer since they didn't need him anymore. I then lowered my offer. It didn't work. The other team never withdrew the offer which was stupid. My final offer was 2.6 mil and he signed for 2.4 mil other team for 1 more year, but he kep telling me the contract was fine, the money wasn't enough. I then traded for the guy saving 200,000. The other team accepted the offer quickly and cheaply. Didn't seem right though. The leading bidder is the only team that can withdraw an offer as long as the player has not accepted - right?