I just can't win in the playoffs - Page 2

1998 Yankees · 07-26-2007, 11:11 AM

This latest post convinces me to ask the question, rhetorically, whether there might be a tweak for this in the next patch.

Elendil · 07-26-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AnonymousGrump

It's 11 times in 12 seasons for me, and I have yet to get into our online league's version of the World Series (3rd round). My team's playoff history:

Bree Cheese (Gorgoroth Balrogs in 2009)

2003: 68-94 (Last) League begins.
2004: 101-61 (Div) Lost in 2nd Round 3-4
2005: 100-62 (Div) Lost in 1st Round 2-4
2006: 102-60 (Div) Lost in 1st Round 0-4
2007: 116-46 (Div) Lost in 1st Round 2-4
2008: 92-70 (WC) Lost in 1st Round 2-4
2009: 97-65 (Div) Lost in 1st Round 3-4 (After leading 3-0)
2010: 98-64 (Div) Lost in 1st Round 1-4
2011: 97-65 (WC) Lost in 1st Round 1-4
2012: 94-68 (Div) Lost in 2nd Round 3-4
2013: 100-62 (Div) Lost in 1st Round 1-4
2014: 104-58 (Div) Lost in 2nd Round 1-4
2015: Current season

Seasons 2004 - 2012

Seasons 2013 - 2014

Well, that just tells you that your Commish is cheating.

Kidding, kidding...!

jools · 07-26-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Elendil

Well, that just tells you that your Commish is cheating.

Kidding, kidding...!

Hey, the Cheese are in my Division. It's bad for Grump, but it's bad fo the Miners too because we're always getting denied to get to the playoffs.

So yeah, it's a real pickle.

akw4572 · 07-26-2007, 09:50 PM

Who's your manager, Bobby Cox?

AnonymousGrump · 07-27-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Elendil

Well, that just tells you that your Commish is cheating.

I've accused him many times of re-running the sims until he gets the result he wants (those that go against me).

He just laughs at me.

AnonymousGrump · 07-27-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jools

Hey, the Cheese are in my Division. It's bad for Grump, but it's bad fo the Miners too because we're always getting denied to get to the playoffs.

So yeah, it's a real pickle.

And I'm going to keep winning until I get a Championship!

Nyah, nyah!

::: banging head against wall :::

AnonymousGrump · 07-27-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by akw4572

Who's your manager, Bobby Cox?

Over the course of the last dozen seasons, I've tried everything:
* Doing exactly the same thing I'd done during the season.
* Doing things differently than I'd done in the season.
* Using 7-Day lineups and micro-managing.
* Letting the AI run the team.
* Starting the players that did best against my opponents.
* Starting the players that did worst against my opponents.

NOTHING has worked.

BTW- In the majority of those playoff series, I had a winning season record against my opponents.

In that 2004 appearance, I lost my all-star Closer to injury in game 6. I had benched my lefty setup guy because he had gotten pounded in two previous appearances. In game 7, I'm leading in the 9th inning with 1 out. The AI then decided to put the benched lefty in to close the game. (Ignoring the guy I had set to be my Closer.) Good-bye ballgame and series as he got pounded yet again.

In a later series, I went against a team that had a rotation consisting of 2 stars and 2 mediocre starters (with losing records). (Think "Spahn and Sain and two days rain".) Well, one of the two stars was injured and couldn't play. So what happens: Those two mediocre SPs pitched the best games of their careers against me.

It happens every year: My hitters can't get a hit off a t-ball; my pitchers get used for batting practice; my solid fielders make inexplicable errors. I've lost playoff games to wild pitches/passed balls/errors that were the first for the player all season.

I've come to the conclusion that the game hates my team. (Which by the way is Team 9: I have a pet theory that Marcus has coded in a bias against Team 9. That's why I changed the team name that one season- to test whether it was the name "Bree" and/or "Cheese". But nope. That was the year I was up 3-0 and ended up getting swept the next four games. So it's definitely Team 9 ... Or my Commish trying to drive me more insane than I already am ... But I'm not paranoid or anything...)

1998 Yankees · 07-27-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AnonymousGrump

I've tried everything:
* Doing exactly the same thing I'd done during the season.
* Doing things differently than I'd done in the season.
* Using 7-Day lineups and micro-managing.
* Letting the AI run the team.
* Starting the players that did best against my opponents.
* Starting the players that did worst against my opponents.

NOTHING has worked.

Grump, I know it does you no good but I was glad to read this, as I have wondered myself whether I should have done things differently in the playoffs.

RchW · 07-27-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AnonymousGrump

Over the course of the last dozen seasons, I've tried everything:
* Doing exactly the same thing I'd done during the season.
* Doing things differently than I'd done in the season.
* Using 7-Day lineups and micro-managing.
* Letting the AI run the team.
* Starting the players that did best against my opponents.
* Starting the players that did worst against my opponents.

This made me laugh. A few seasons back after losing 1-4 to a wild card team, I saw that all 4 of my starting pitchers and 6 of my 9 batters were cold (more like frigid). This was a 122-40 team that hadn't lost more than 2 games in a row all season. We won the first game then dropped 4 in a row.

zekester91 · 07-30-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mntwins

I've made the playoffs 11 times in my 22 year league. Only one time I made it to the world series but lost. My playoffs are only one 7 game series then the world series. The last two years I've had a 3 games to 1 lead but lost them both in game 7. I really wanted to throw my pc thew the window.

I might as well manage the Atlanta Braves.

Anyone else have really horrible luck in the playoffs?

Are you sticking with a 5 man rotation in the playoffs? your number 5 pitcher gets rocked by the number 2 of the other team and then your ace is coming back rusty after having about a week or so off and comes in rusty.

ravinhood · 07-30-2007, 01:18 PM

I think for the playoffs just like after spring training all things are reset. We all know in the playoffs things just change from the regular season. More adrinilin is flowing for sure, the ability to choke (yes even your starter ace with a 2.xx era) Plus the season has whithered away some of the talent some players had. The Yankees and the Red Sox over the last few years have proven that just because you are great during the season doesn't mean you are going to win it all. Look how Detroit of last year sucked in the World Series. lol choke choke choke. Look how many years the Redsox got there and choked choked choked wasn't it like 100 years haha So, you can't expect just because you have the awesomest best team in the league that you're going to win it all in the playoffs or even ever (I've won more world series with an above average team than with the best money could buy Steinbrenner could take a lesson from that). If you did the game would get boring. By losing it just makes you want to do it again and shuffle some players around and hope you get the clutch performance players for when the playoffs arrive. There used to be a clutch performance stat in the sion page of old, but, I can't find it in this one, perhaps that is a "hidden" stat and during the playoffs it really shows up. BTW I just lost another World Series, but, I stomped on their ACE in the 2nd inning by 7 runs lol so it works both ways those 7 run innings vs aces lol.

RchW · 07-30-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zekester91

Are you sticking with a 5 man rotation in the playoffs? your number 5 pitcher gets rocked by the number 2 of the other team and then your ace is coming back rusty after having about a week or so off and comes in rusty.

I can't answer for Mntwins but in my experience you can see it coming. Your team scores 1000 runs in the season and then gets 8 runs in a 5 game series. For example your Ace starter who averages 1.9BB/9 innings all season walks 6 batters and allows 6 hits and 8 runs in 2 innings in the first game of the playoffs. He then shows the dreaded ice cube and is useless for the remaining games.

For the other team it can be a MR turned starter with an ERA of 7.5 who pitches 8 innings of 5 hit ball against you. Or a guy with 37 contact who has two 2-HR games (I know contact doesn't lead to HR but I've never even had a player on my team with 37 contact

).

It's not the one-offs that bother me, that's Baseball. It's the fact that it can happen 4 and 5 seasons in a row, often when you are the best team in both leagues by 20 games or more. That challenges credulity.

On the flip side has anyone posted about winning the WS with a WC team (not one with 100 wins

) or a sub 90 win team? If that's happening with some regularity then I have less of a complaint.

Maybe we should have a poll.

Curtis · 07-30-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

He then shows the dreaded ice cube and is useless for the remaining games.

I know this is offtopic, but I've played out (not simmed) two full seasons and several partial seasons with different teams, and I've never seen either the ice cube or whatever is supposed to show up when the player is hot. Where should I be looking for these?

RchW · 07-30-2007, 02:21 PM

On the batting or pitching page it shows in the first column headed "inf"

1998 Yankees · 07-31-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

It's not the one-offs that bother me, that's Baseball. It's the fact that it can happen 4 and 5 seasons in a row, often when you are the best team in both leagues by 20 games or more. That challenges credulity.

This sums it up very nicely. This is what is wrong with it IMO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

On the flip side has anyone posted about winning the WS with a WC team (not one with 100 wins

) or a sub 90 win team? If that's happening with some regularity then I have less of a complaint.

That happened to me, but not with regularity. Still, I am wondering if Markus has tweaked a "underdog/surprise playoff team" setting a little too far to the left or right. Just speculation, of course.

Elendil · 07-31-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

This sums it up very nicely. This is what is wrong with it IMO.

That happened to me, but not with regularity. Still, I am wondering if Markus has tweaked a "underdog/surprise playoff team" setting a little too far to the left or right. Just speculation, of course.

I highly, highly doubt any such setting exists.

1998 Yankees · 07-31-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Elendil

I highly, highly doubt any such setting exists.

I was speaking metaphorically.

Russ · 07-31-2007, 11:46 AM

For it to be a simile, you would have used the words "like" or "as".

GamerOfTheWorld · 07-31-2007, 12:50 PM

You guys also need to remember that the playoffs are essentially a crapshoot: a five- or seven- game series is way too small of a sample size for the better team to always come out on top. I'd say that most instances of the better team losing to an inferior one are the result of bad luck more than anything.

1998 Yankees · 07-31-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GamerOfTheWorld

You guys also need to remember that the playoffs are essentially a crapshoot: a five- or seven- game series is way too small of a sample size for the better team to always come out on top. I'd say that most instances of the better team losing to an inferior one are the result of bad luck more than anything.

Yeah, but look back at some of the posts in this thread. We're talking about how dominant teams getting bounced out of the playoffs year after year that has people concerned. To the point that, as RchW said, it challenges credulity. Realism as well, I might add.

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ravinhood Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 374 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I think for the playoffs just like after spring training all things are reset. We all know in the playoffs things just change from the regular season. More adrinilin is flowing for sure, the ability to choke (yes even your starter ace with a 2.xx era) Plus the season has whithered away some of the talent some players had. The Yankees and the Red Sox over the last few years have proven that just because you are great during the season doesn't mean you are going to win it all. Look how Detroit of last year sucked in the World Series. lol choke choke choke. Look how many years the Redsox got there and choked choked choked wasn't it like 100 years haha So, you can't expect just because you have the awesomest best team in the league that you're going to win it all in the playoffs or even ever (I've won more world series with an above average team than with the best money could buy Steinbrenner could take a lesson from that). If you did the game would get boring. By losing it just makes you want to do it again and shuffle some players around and hope you get the clutch performance players for when the playoffs arrive. There used to be a clutch performance stat in the sion page of old, but, I can't find it in this one, perhaps that is a "hidden" stat and during the playoffs it really shows up. BTW I just lost another World Series, but, I stomped on their ACE in the 2nd inning by 7 runs lol so it works both ways those 7 run innings vs aces lol.

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GamerOfTheWorld Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 47	You guys also need to remember that the playoffs are essentially a crapshoot: a five- or seven- game series is way too small of a sample size for the better team to always come out on top. I'd say that most instances of the better team losing to an inferior one are the result of bad luck more than anything.