2007 New York Yankees Thread - Page 64

1998 Yankees · 07-17-2007, 10:53 AM

I guess I'm traditionalist in that if you need to park somebody out of position in the field, it's either 1B for the infield or LF for the outfield. RF requires an arm (which Jeter has, come to think of it) and so does CF to some extent. Most important for CF is speed to cover the additional ground out there and an experienced eye and glove to judge and catch the ball from more angles than the corner OF positions require.

I don't see an older player who's never played CF in his career and who is slowing down with age doing well out there. The idea of moving him to 2B was better, and 1B would be a consideration when he has 2935 hits and the next Jeter is breaking in at SS. If it must be OF, put him in left, move Matsui to center and Cabrera to right. Cabrera has the arm for that, for sure.

BTW, YP, no offense meant by that "bizarre" comment. I expect "bizarre" from some others here, but not you! Just my opinion in any case and I was shocked by the idea, I guess.

CMH · 07-17-2007, 10:59 AM

No offense taken.

I don't seriously consider it possible for Jeter. I just figured it wouldn't be a bad idea. I can see why it would be bizarre.

I guess we can all agree that Jeter isn't moving anywhere. And if he does move it'll likely be to 1B when he's 39 and for some reason the Yanks think they need to extend his career.

edrooney · 07-17-2007, 11:07 AM

If Jeter sucks at SS, and could potentially suck in other positions, then why have him on the field at all. Why not DH him? He's very useful with the bat in his hands, so remove the negative of his fielding, and focus on the positive of his batting.

mlyons · 07-17-2007, 11:17 AM

Really, most people don't think Jeter sucks at SS. That's the problem. If you actually look at the numbers and pay attention to the data, it's pretty clear that he's one of the worst-fielding regular shortstops in the majors, but most people only see the highlight films. Remember, he won the last three Gold Glove awards. So anything we talk about is clearly hypothetical, since in the minds of most people, there isn't anything at all wrong with keeping Jeter at shortstop.

CommishJoe · 07-17-2007, 11:26 AM

Personally, I'd rather see Jeter in RF if he's moving to the OF. In Yankee Stadium with that deep LC, LF is almost as roomy as CF is. You need a pretty good fielder in LF to make up for that. Jeter has the arm for RF so I don't think that would be an issue.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Jones manning CF after this off-season.

edrooney · 07-17-2007, 11:49 AM

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Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Jones manning CF after this off-season.

Andruw? Is that a possibility?

CommishJoe · 07-17-2007, 11:59 AM

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Andruw? Is that a possibility?

He's a FA after this season isn't he? I also believe he's a Boras client so he's gonna ask for the moon. The Yanks might be willing to pay him that.

edrooney · 07-17-2007, 12:16 PM

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He's a FA after this season isn't he? I also believe he's a Boras client so he's gonna ask for the moon. The Yanks might be willing to pay him that.

He'd certainly be an upgrade. I'd grab him, but I'd be wary of spending too much money on him. He's having a particularly ordinary season this year after a couple of good 'uns. His general performance is above average to good with the bat, and good to very good with the glove.

I wouldn't give him a case full of cash.

tbh, you're probably going to be paying Johnny Damon anyway. I'd give him a chance to get healthy and still see if he can hit and play CF.

mlyons · 07-17-2007, 01:11 PM

Oof. Jones is in a pretty steep decline right now, and hasn't exactly exhibited the kind of work ethic you'd expect from someone to bounce back from that. He definitely wouldn't be worth anywhere close to what he's going to cost.

1998 Yankees · 07-17-2007, 02:41 PM

Don't forget about Torre Hunter (Yes, I misspelled it intentionally - looks good, though, doesn't it? Too bad Torre is a racist according to that noted sage Gabby Sheffield. Better see if we can get Bubba Crosby back).

Luis_Rivera · 07-17-2007, 02:58 PM

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Oof. Jones is in a pretty steep decline right now, and hasn't exactly exhibited the kind of work ethic you'd expect from someone to bounce back from that. He definitely wouldn't be worth anywhere close to what he's going to cost.

Plus, he's a candidate to suffer from Cal Ripken Syndrome - steep decline in his early 30's due to not taking time off while playing at a physically demanding position.

1998 Yankees · 07-17-2007, 06:55 PM

On the other hand, you have Jorge Posada, age 35, has not caught less than 130 games since 1999, yet having a career year in his contract walk year. I mean a career year, currently batting almost 60 points higher than his career average, with this year included. Talk about motivation!

CommishJoe · 07-18-2007, 01:39 PM

A little tidbit about Hughes from an article on mlb.com

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Cashman said he plans to attend Philip Hughes' rehabilitation start Wednesday for Double-A Trenton, in which the right-hander is scheduled to throw approximately 60 pitches.

In his previous outing, also for the Thunder, Hughes threw three shutout innings, allowing three hits and walking none while striking out six in a 43-pitch performance. The Yankees still plan on offering Hughes at least one more rehab start, for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, before re-evaluating the situation and considering a callup.

mikev · 07-18-2007, 02:27 PM

I'VE GOT IT!

Dan Johnson, Mark Kotsay, and Eric Chavez for A-Rod and Melky.

BadluckinOOTP · 07-18-2007, 03:22 PM

I'd do that for just Melky. As long as the Yankees paid for everything.

1998 Yankees · 07-18-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

A little tidbit about Hughes from an article on mlb.com

I'm looking forward to seeing him on the mound again. Igawa is destined for mopup duty when Hughes returns. There's still a flicker of hope for this season that may yet burst into flame if Hughes can dominate.

CONN CHRIS · 07-19-2007, 07:45 AM

How many folks in Boston are looking back at their 1978 scrapbooks and biting their finger nails at this point?

Tony M · 07-19-2007, 08:00 AM

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How many folks in Boston are looking back at their 1978 scrapbooks and biting their finger nails at this point?

Not at the moment... If it gets down to 1 then I might start.

It's been down to 7 or 8 in the last couple of months and then went back to 12.5. It's swings and roundabouts. A couple of good results our way and against the Yanks will take the lead back towards double figures.

1998 Yankees · 07-19-2007, 10:25 AM

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How many folks in Boston are looking back at their 1978 scrapbooks and biting their finger nails at this point?

Right now, I'm thinking of looking back at some of my previous posts in this thread for the purposes of editing out the pessimism!

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It's been down to 7 or 8 in the last couple of months and then went back to 12.5. It's swings and roundabouts. A couple of good results our way and against the Yanks will take the lead back towards double figures.

On the other hand this is probably accurate, I'm afraid.

Heck, I don't know what to think about this season. Wake me up when it's over.

TheRaven · 07-19-2007, 11:01 AM

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Heck, I don't know what to think about this season. Wake me up when it's over.

It has been one of the more interesting seasons to date. I have a good feeling about the rest of the year as well. This next stretch of games will be crucial because if they cant beat these teams, then they won't be going anywhere:

4 games with TB, 4 with KC, 3 with Balt, 3 with the White Sox, 3 more with KC, 3 more with Tor..that's a nice stretch where they need to look to go .700 over.

07-17-2007, 10:53 AM	#1261
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	I guess I'm traditionalist in that if you need to park somebody out of position in the field, it's either 1B for the infield or LF for the outfield. RF requires an arm (which Jeter has, come to think of it) and so does CF to some extent. Most important for CF is speed to cover the additional ground out there and an experienced eye and glove to judge and catch the ball from more angles than the corner OF positions require. I don't see an older player who's never played CF in his career and who is slowing down with age doing well out there. The idea of moving him to 2B was better, and 1B would be a consideration when he has 2935 hits and the next Jeter is breaking in at SS. If it must be OF, put him in left, move Matsui to center and Cabrera to right. Cabrera has the arm for that, for sure. BTW, YP, no offense meant by that "bizarre" comment. I expect "bizarre" from some others here, but not you! Just my opinion in any case and I was shocked by the idea, I guess. Last edited by 1998 Yankees; 07-17-2007 at 10:57 AM.

07-17-2007, 11:07 AM	#1263
edrooney All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 688 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	If Jeter sucks at SS, and could potentially suck in other positions, then why have him on the field at all. Why not DH him? He's very useful with the bat in his hands, so remove the negative of his fielding, and focus on the positive of his batting. __________________ I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.

07-17-2007, 11:17 AM	#1264
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	Really, most people don't think Jeter sucks at SS. That's the problem. If you actually look at the numbers and pay attention to the data, it's pretty clear that he's one of the worst-fielding regular shortstops in the majors, but most people only see the highlight films. Remember, he won the last three Gold Glove awards. So anything we talk about is clearly hypothetical, since in the minds of most people, there isn't anything at all wrong with keeping Jeter at shortstop. __________________ Things can always be worse.

07-17-2007, 11:26 AM	#1265
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Personally, I'd rather see Jeter in RF if he's moving to the OF. In Yankee Stadium with that deep LC, LF is almost as roomy as CF is. You need a pretty good fielder in LF to make up for that. Jeter has the arm for RF so I don't think that would be an issue. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Jones manning CF after this off-season. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

07-17-2007, 01:11 PM	#1269
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	Oof. Jones is in a pretty steep decline right now, and hasn't exactly exhibited the kind of work ethic you'd expect from someone to bounce back from that. He definitely wouldn't be worth anywhere close to what he's going to cost. __________________ Things can always be worse.

07-17-2007, 10:59 AM	#1262
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	No offense taken. I don't seriously consider it possible for Jeter. I just figured it wouldn't be a bad idea. I can see why it would be bizarre. I guess we can all agree that Jeter isn't moving anywhere. And if he does move it'll likely be to 1B when he's 39 and for some reason the Yanks think they need to extend his career.

07-17-2007, 02:41 PM	#1270
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Don't forget about Torre Hunter (Yes, I misspelled it intentionally - looks good, though, doesn't it? Too bad Torre is a racist according to that noted sage Gabby Sheffield. Better see if we can get Bubba Crosby back).

07-17-2007, 06:55 PM	#1272
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	On the other hand, you have Jorge Posada, age 35, has not caught less than 130 games since 1999, yet having a career year in his contract walk year. I mean a career year, currently batting almost 60 points higher than his career average, with this year included. Talk about motivation!

07-18-2007, 02:27 PM	#1274
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	I'VE GOT IT! Dan Johnson, Mark Kotsay, and Eric Chavez for A-Rod and Melky. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

07-18-2007, 03:22 PM	#1275
BadluckinOOTP All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: OKC Posts: 1,534	I'd do that for just Melky. As long as the Yankees paid for everything. __________________

07-19-2007, 07:45 AM	#1277
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,020	How many folks in Boston are looking back at their 1978 scrapbooks and biting their finger nails at this point? __________________ Check Out My Cards!